NFL Week 16 Thread

Black Swan

Thursday 23 December
Carolina Panthers @ Pittsburgh Steelers

Saturday 25 December
Dallas Cowboys @ Arizona Cardinals

Sunday 26 December
Tennessee Titans @ Kansas City Chiefs
New York Jets @ Chicago Bears
San Francisco 49ers @ St. Louis Rams
Baltimore Ravens @ Cleveland Browns
Detroit Lions @ Miami Dolphins
New England Patriots @ Buffalo Bills
Washington Redskins @ Jacksonville Jaguars
New York Giants @ Green Bay Packers
Houston Texans @ Denver Broncos
Indianapolis Colts @ Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers @ Cincinnati Bengals
Seattle Seahawks @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Minnesota Vikings @ Philadelphia Eagles

Monday 27 December
New Orleans Saints @ Atlanta Falcons

themont85

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Thursday 23 December
Carolina Panthers @ Pittsburgh Steelers

Saturday 25 December
Dallas Cowboys @ Arizona Cardinals

Sunday 26 December
Tennessee Titans @ Kansas City Chiefs
New York Jets @ Chicago Bears
San Francisco 49ers @ St. Louis Rams
Baltimore Ravens @ Cleveland Browns
Detroit Lions @ Miami Dolphins
New England Patriots @ Buffalo Bills
Washington Redskins @ Jacksonville Jaguars
New York Giants @ Green Bay Packers
Houston Texans @ Denver Broncos
Indianapolis Colts @ Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers @ Cincinnati Bengals
Seattle Seahawks @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Minnesota Vikings @ Philadelphia Eagles

Monday 27 December
New Orleans Saints @ Atlanta Falcons

Really looking forward to Indy/Raiders, NO/Atlanta and the playoff contending classic in St Louis.

kev_s88

Thursday 23 December
Carolina Panthers @ Pittsburgh Steelers

Saturday 25 December
Dallas Cowboys @ Arizona Cardinals

Sunday 26 December
Tennessee Titans @ Kansas City Chiefs
New York Jets @ Chicago Bears
San Francisco 49ers @ St. Louis Rams
Baltimore Ravens @ Cleveland Browns
Detroit Lions @ Miami Dolphins
New England Patriots @ Buffalo Bills
Washington Redskins @ Jacksonville Jaguars
New York Giants @ Green Bay Packers
Houston Texans @ Denver Broncos
Indianapolis Colts @ Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers @ Cincinnati Bengals
Seattle Seahawks @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Minnesota Vikings @ Philadelphia Eagles

Monday 27 December
New Orleans Saints @ Atlanta Falcons

mikemac

Seems I've the same picks as you kev_s88

Thursday 23 December
Carolina Panthers @ Pittsburgh Steelers

Saturday 25 December
Dallas Cowboys @ Arizona Cardinals

Sunday 26 December
Tennessee Titans @ Kansas City Chiefs
New York Jets @ Chicago Bears
St. Louis Rams
Baltimore Ravens @ Cleveland Browns
Detroit Lions @ Miami Dolphins :pac:
New England Patriots @ Buffalo Bills
Washington Redskins @ Jacksonville Jaguars
New York Giants @ Green Bay Packers
Houston Texans @ Denver Broncos
Indianapolis Colts @ Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers @ Cincinnati Bengals
Seattle Seahawks @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Minnesota Vikings @ Philadelphia Eagles

Monday 27 December
New Orleans Saints @ Atlanta Falcons

mikemac

Troy Smith back as starter for 49'ers this week

I was suprised he got dropped in the first place

cruiserweight

Thursday 23 December
Carolina Panthers @ Pittsburgh Steelers

Saturday 25 December
Dallas Cowboys @ Arizona Cardinals

Sunday 26 December
Tennessee Titans @ Kansas City Chiefs
New York Jets @ Chicago Bears
San Francisco 49ers @ St. Louis Rams
Baltimore Ravens @ Cleveland Browns
Detroit Lions @ Miami Dolphins
New England Patriots @ Buffalo Bills
Washington Redskins @ Jacksonville Jaguars
New York Giants @ Green Bay Packers
Houston Texans @ Denver Broncos
Indianapolis Colts @ Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers @ Cincinnati Bengals
Seattle Seahawks @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Minnesota Vikings @ Philadelphia Eagles

Monday 27 December
New Orleans Saints @ Atlanta Falcons

Peyton Manning

As if the Saints @ Falcons game didn't need any more of a build up, Roddy White went and opened his mouth and spewed some pretty idiotic comments, particularly the first one.

"The grace of god gave them tht championship so tht city wouldn fall apart now and now they think they hot **** in my chad voice child please"

"The saints win one championship and want to go crazy well yall ass aint winning this year we gone make sure tht doesn't happen"

"The first time we played them their coach gone say after we won the game thts a good win for yall like the saints are the Colts"

"The aints fans are so rude we shall see monday night."

"No chance in hell the Aints come into the dome and win once trent dilfer"

Pyjamarama

Do this many people really not think that Manning will shred the Raiders secondary??? I know Kevo is wishing more than really believing!!!

eagle eye

Thursday 23 December
Carolina Panthers @ Pittsburgh Steelers

Saturday 25 December
Dallas Cowboys @ Arizona Cardinals

Sunday 26 December
Tennessee Titans @ Kansas City Chiefs
New York Jets @ Chicago Bears
San Francisco 49ers @ St. Louis Rams
Baltimore Ravens @ Cleveland Browns
Detroit Lions @ Miami Dolphins
New England Patriots @ Buffalo Bills
Washington Redskins @ Jacksonville Jaguars
New York Giants @ Green Bay Packers
Houston Texans @ Denver Broncos
Indianapolis Colts @ Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers @ Cincinnati Bengals
Seattle Seahawks @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Minnesota Vikings @ Philadelphia Eagles

Monday 27 December
New Orleans Saints @ Atlanta Falcons

49ers fan

TNF
Steelers
Christmas Day
Cowboys
Sunday
Chiefs
Bears
49ers:D
Ravens
Lions
Pats
Jags
Giants
Broncos
Colts
Chargers
Buccs
Eagles
MNF
Saints

basillarkin

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Do this many people really not think that Manning will shred the Raiders secondary??? I know Kevo is wishing more than really believing!!!

colts should win by 10+

skeleton_boy

Thursday 23 December
Carolina Panthers @ Pittsburgh Steelers

Saturday 25 December
Dallas Cowboys @ Arizona Cardinals

Sunday 26 December
Tennessee Titans @ Kansas City Chiefs
New York Jets @ Chicago Bears
San Francisco 49ers @ St. Louis Rams
Baltimore Ravens @ Cleveland Browns
Detroit Lions @ Miami Dolphins
New England Patriots @ Buffalo Bills
Washington Redskins @ Jacksonville Jaguars
New York Giants @ Green Bay Packers
Houston Texans @ Denver Broncos
Indianapolis Colts @ Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers @ Cincinnati Bengals
Seattle Seahawks @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Minnesota Vikings @ Philadelphia Eagles

Monday 27 December
New Orleans Saints @ Atlanta Falcons

Silver-Tiger

Thursday 23 December
Carolina Panthers @ Pittsburgh Steelers

Saturday 25 December
Dallas Cowboys @ Arizona Cardinals

Sunday 26 December
Tennessee Titans @ Kansas City Chiefs
New York Jets @ Chicago Bears
San Francisco 49ers @ St. Louis Rams
Baltimore Ravens @ Cleveland Browns
Detroit Lions @ Miami Dolphins
New England Patriots @ Buffalo Bills
Washington Redskins @ Jacksonville Jaguars
New York Giants @ Green Bay Packers
Houston Texans @ Denver Broncos
Indianapolis Colts @ Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers @ Cincinnati Bengals
Seattle Seahawks @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Minnesota Vikings @ Philadelphia Eagles

Monday 27 December
New Orleans Saints @ Atlanta Falcons

heavyballs

Thursday 23 December
Carolina Panthers @ Pittsburgh Steelers

Saturday 25 December
Dallas Cowboys @ Arizona Cardinals

Sunday 26 December
Tennessee Titans @ Kansas City Chiefs
New York Jets @ Chicago Bears
San Francisco 49ers @ St. Louis Rams
Baltimore Ravens @ Cleveland Browns
Detroit Lions @ Miami Dolphins
New England Patriots @ Buffalo Bills
Washington Redskins @ Jacksonville Jaguars
New York Giants @ Green Bay Packers
Houston Texans @ Denver Broncos
Indianapolis Colts @ Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers @ Cincinnati Bengals
Seattle Seahawks @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Minnesota Vikings @ Philadelphia Eagles

Monday 27 December
Atlanta Falcons

Onecoolcookie

Thursday 23 December
Carolina Panthers @ Pittsburgh Steelers

Saturday 25 December
Dallas Cowboys @ Arizona Cardinals

Sunday 26 December
Tennessee Titans @ Kansas City Chiefs
New York Jets @ Chicago Bears
San Francisco 49ers @ St. Louis Rams
Baltimore Ravens @ Cleveland Browns
Detroit Lions @ Miami Dolphins
New England Patriots @ Buffalo Bills
Washington Redskins @ Jacksonville Jaguars
New York Giants @ Green Bay Packers
Houston Texans @ Denver Broncos
Indianapolis Colts @ Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers @ Cincinnati Bengals
Seattle Seahawks @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Minnesota Vikings @ Philadelphia Eagles

Monday 27 December
Atlanta Falcons

Itssoeasy

TD steelers 10 - 0

eagle eye

Itssoeasy wrote: »

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for the Steelers:)

49ers fan

27-0....Steelers, Big Ben on a QB sneak

Itssoeasy

"with the first pick in the 2011 NFL DRAFT the Carolina panthers select..."

Peyton Manning

Itssoeasy wrote: »

"with the first pick in the 2011 NFL DRAFT the Carolina panthers select..."

They are so fúcking lucky the Bengals beat the Browns last week.

SSK

Itssoeasy wrote: »

"with the first pick in the 2011 NFL DRAFT the Carolina panthers select..."

Surely a QB, Clausen looks woeful

kev_s88

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Do this many people really not think that Manning will shred the Raiders secondary??? I know Kevo is wishing more than really believing!!!

Manning may shred up the Raider's secondary, but Run DMC should tear up a below par Colts run defense. or at least i hope so. as ya said its all about the wishing more than believing

neilster

Itssoeasy wrote: »

"with the first pick in the 2011 NFL DRAFT the Carolina panthers select..."

Andrew Luck better declare ...maybe he stays in college to avoid the small market Carolina, his father is a former player and College coaching executive , very switched on people to the way the NCAA-NFL world works ...wouldnt be surprised if he stayed out thinking that an Arizona/Redskins/Miami beefed up their defense /offense this season and waited for him in 2012

eagle eye

SSK wrote: »

Surely a QB, Clausen looks woeful

Does he though? Its impossible to tell really with the OL caving in all the time. He is pressured almost always.

They need a left tackle before they even think about a QB. They actually need a lot of personnel for their offensive line. They don't have a second round pick either, the Patriots have that. I think they would be much better off dealing that pick. There are plenty of teams that will be willing to pay big to get Luck.

Peyton Manning

eagle eye wrote: »

Does he though?

Yes, yes he does.

I hope this helps.

eagle eye

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Yes, yes he does.

I hope this helps.

And I suppose you made your mind up that Josh Freeman was muck after last season?

mikemac

eagle eye wrote: »

They need a left tackle before they even think about a QB. They actually need a lot of personnel for their offensive line.

To be fair, for all the weaknesses the Panthers have, the OL isn't the top need for the next draft. Gross at tackle and Kalil at center at NFL starter quality for most teams.
Jeff Otah was a 19th overall 1st round pick and is now on IR.
Most teams could do with an upgrade on the OL I wouldn't say it's the worst need for the Panthers.
But I certainly do not underestimate the need for a top OL.

For me, Clausen has not proven himself at all. I don't know a whole lot about college football so I won't comment on Andrew Luck. But Clausen isn't the answer and Panthers have needs at QB and WR. But then to draft a WR at the top of the draft is notoriously unreliable. Could end up with a bust

I'd say their best player is Jon Beason Linebacker and his contract is up at end of 2011. He'll get the franchise tag if he doesn't sign a contract. No shortage of NFL teams who would love to take him

Peyton Manning

eagle eye wrote: »

And I suppose you made your mind up that Josh Freeman was muck after last season?

Nope, I think everybody was in agreement that Freeman looked a great prospect. Strange that you'd hold that opinion though, Freeman's got a good career ahead of him.

eagle eye

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Nope, I think everybody was in agreement that Freeman looked a great prospect. Strange that you'd hold that opinion though, Freeman's got a good career ahead of him.

Hold what opinion? That Clausen can still be the man in Carolina? I certainly think that he deserves a chance behind a decent pass blocking OL.

Many people wrote Freeman's obituary last year. Morris though brought in some new players for the OL and a lot of new offensive coaches. It made a huge difference as we can all see now.

Andrew Luck looks like a guy thats going to be a star in the NFL but if they don't do anything about that offensive line then he is going to look just like Jimmy Clausen. You cannot decide that Clausen is not ready until you see him getting some time in the pocket. If he is constantly rushed and pressured then you will never know what he is like. Carolina have given up more sacks than all teams bar the Bears.

Matt Moore looked pretty good last season but he too looked terrible behind that OL before he went on IR.

Syferus

I don't remember many people writing any obituries for that Tampa team - everyone generally accepted they decided to go with youth at key positions, head coach obviously included, and weren't expected to make much of an impact last year. They didn't, but they duly learnt from that and are easily among the most improved teams this year. Same goes for Freeman, he was the choosen QB last year and he's followed up on that faith with some good preformances this year.

There wasn't any talk last year of Tampa drafting a QB this year - the same is certainly not true of Carolina this year. It's important to remember Carolina have little or nothing invested in Clausen because they picked him so relatively low. He'd slipped so far it made sense for them to take a shot on him even if they likely didn't have him high on their radar. The OL is crap, but when you replace your second round draft pick for Tony Pike in the middle of a game you know the QB isn't doing everything else correctly.

They'll have no qualms about dispensing with him as the one-shot future, especially if the intra-franchise sense is even half as negative as it appears to be towards him and someone they feel is better than him is available when they come to pick. Who knows, they might want to use their likely #1 pick to get some value elsewhere, but there's a real possibility they'll want to use it themselves.

Peyton Manning

eagle eye wrote: »

Hold what opinion? That Clausen can still be the man in Carolina? I certainly think that he deserves a chance behind a decent pass blocking OL.

Many people wrote Freeman's obituary last year. Morris though brought in some new players for the OL and a lot of new offensive coaches. It made a huge difference as we can all see now.

Andrew Luck looks like a guy thats going to be a star in the NFL but if they don't do anything about that offensive line then he is going to look just like Jimmy Clausen. You cannot decide that Clausen is not ready until you see him getting some time in the pocket. If he is constantly rushed and pressured then you will never know what he is like. Carolina have given up more sacks than all teams bar the Bears.

Matt Moore looked pretty good last season but he too looked terrible behind that OL before he went on IR.

I've already decided Clausen is a bust. He's a bum, he doesn't have the work ethic or the attitude to accept the buck stops with him. He's made some God awful passes even without any pressure in his face, but you do have a habit of blaming things on the O-line. I'm still waiting for Lawrence Maroney to be a star in Denver, what considering that according to you it was the Pats' O-line that made him look poor. Look at Matt Stafford last year. He was a rookie behind a hilariously bad offensive line, his numbers weren't monstrously dissimilar to Clausen yet everybody could tell the boy had potential just by watching them. If that's something you struggle with, then fair enough, but It's becoming more and more obvious why Clausen fell as low as he did. Even the second round pick for him is looking incredibly overpriced right now, he will be nothing more than one of the mid-to-better rated backup quarterbacks once he grasps a playbook, assuming he even does that, but the fact that he has not shown one ounce of potential this year goes against him.

Clausen's garbage. They'll draft Luck and he will look 10 times the player Clausen looks. He already does.