IDIOT TRUCK DRIVERS

dcmraad

What is it with truck drivers needing to drive right up your arse in this weather, overtaking dangerously and then forcing other drivers to take evasive action.

I was on the Intel link road to the N4 today, the overtaking lane was completely snow covered. Traffic was travelling at between 20 to 25mph, the road conditions merited it. A truck driver obviously though f*ck this I am overtaking those cars, so he pulled out into the outside lane and started losing the back of his truck immediately.

His rear axle slipped a metre toward the left lane.

I beeped and flashed like crazy at the car on the inside lane, who was unaware the truck was sliding into him. The car copped the truck and pulled right into the kerb, the truck stayed sideways the whole way while going up over the railway bridge, and he only regained control at the top.

How could someone like this be allowed to drive a large vehicle like this so dangerously. Do they not have special training.

quad_red

Did you get his licence plate/company? Report him.

EPM

You pay your money you take your chances. You pass your test you do your worst. Seen similar with all sorts of vehicles the last few days. Do your civic duty and report it.

You get dipsticks everywhere.

dcmraad

quad_red wrote: »

Did you get his licence plate/company? Report him.

No, the plate was covered in snow.

Doom

I know its jobs and christmas, but with the weather and roads so bad there should be vehicle restrictions in place.....how many trucks caused the tailbacks on the roads, cause they cannot get up slight hills one roads.
Seen A fair bit of tailgating trucks too

staker

You'll get these wannabe doomsday drivers in all conditions.
Sounds like he had an empty trailer,probably had traction on the driving axle and wasn't using his mirrors.

x in the city

staker wrote: »

You'll get these wannabe doomsday drivers in all conditions.
Sounds like he had an empty trailer,probably had traction on the driving axle and wasn't using his mirrors.

or his brain from the looks of it

mantaraver

It's quite likely the lorry wouldn't have got up at all if it had stayed at the speed of the traffic. At 25mph there wouldnt be enough momentum built up to keep it moving. A lot of people would not understand Newton's laws of physics in action here. I drive a rear wheel drive car and more than a few times i've had to stop before a hill to let slow moving idiots crawl their way up (and not allway's succeding either. I haven't had a hill defeat me yet as long as I can get enough speed to almost coast up with very little accelleration needed.

Why is that so hard for some people to comprehend :rolleyes:

guil

mantaraver wrote: »

It's quite likely the lorry wouldn't have got up at all if it had stayed at the speed of the traffic. At 25mph there wouldnt be enough momentum built up to keep it moving. A lot of people would not understand Newton's laws of physics in action here. I drive a rear wheel drive car and more than a few times i've had to stop before a hill to let slow moving idiots crawl their way up (and not allway's succeding either. I haven't had a hill defeat me yet as long as I can get enough speed to almost coast up with very little accelleration needed.

Why is that so hard for some people to comprehend :rolleyes:

theres a big difference between going up a hill and travelling on a dual carriageway/motorway
i drive a bin lorry, its 18ton empty and has 4 axles, it gets around fine in the snow most of the time but an artic could easily jack-knife if your going to fast and theres not a thing in hell ya can do to stop it

johnos1984

I've an idea.

Why don't trucks be made by law to use that empty lane on dual carriageways, motorways and three lane carriageways.

You know, that lane between the hard shoulder and the overtaking fast lane

PROLBEM SLOZZLED

dcmraad

mantaraver wrote: »

It's quite likely the lorry wouldn't have got up at all if it had stayed at the speed of the traffic. At 25mph there wouldnt be enough momentum built up to keep it moving. A lot of people would not understand Newton's laws of physics in action here. I drive a rear wheel drive car and more than a few times i've had to stop before a hill to let slow moving idiots crawl their way up (and not allway's succeding either. I haven't had a hill defeat me yet as long as I can get enough speed to almost coast up with very little accelleration needed.

Why is that so hard for some people to comprehend :rolleyes:

What lane would you have chosen to use in your RWD.

Option 1.

the lane that has been swept, the lane that all traffic is using, the lane that Newton's laws of physics wouldn't have had an issue with.

Option 2.

the unused lane covered with 5 inches of virgin snow.

ANYWAY

He went from being 2 metres up the cars arse to side by side over 300 metres, he would have had no issues if he stayed in the lane that the traffic was using.

bmw535d

they just have more balls than others.

JimmyCrackCorn

dcmraad wrote: »

What is it with truck drivers needing to drive right up your arse in this weather, overtaking dangerously and then forcing other drivers to take evasive action.

I was on the Intel link road to the N4 today, the overtaking lane was completely snow covered. Traffic was travelling at between 20 to 25mph, the road conditions merited it. A truck driver obviously though f*ck this I am overtaking those cars, so he pulled out into the outside lane and started losing the back of his truck immediately.

His rear axle slipped a metre toward the left lane.

I beeped and flashed like crazy at the car on the inside lane, who was unaware the truck was sliding into him. The car copped the truck and pulled right into the kerb, the truck stayed sideways the whole way while going up over the railway bridge, and he only regained control at the top.

How could someone like this be allowed to drive a large vehicle like this so dangerously. Do they not have special training.

He wasn't going fast enough if he was loosing the back of the truck.

By any chance was he climbing a hill at the time? If so he has to maintain momentum or he'll get stuck. If you ever drove a truck you'd understand how important it is to keep it moving and steady. (critical on any incline)

JohnDigital

I saw a van driver trying his best to meet his maker this evening on the N11. The guy was in a 05 LK 20** red tarted up VW Transporter with more lights around it than a small stretch of runway, with a lovely green under body neon.

Anyway I was in traffic with said muppet from Deansgrange Road through to near Wyatville flyover in South Co. Dublin. I observed him attempt 4 stupid undertaking/overtaking manoeuvres which got him nowhere as I ended up ahead of him 3 times while doing a steady 40 kph.

On the approach to Wyatville flyover he decided to jump into the bus lane to undertake about 5 cars. He clipped the kerb at the Esso petrol station and span the van across the 3 lanes into the armco in the centre median. I managed to avoid him only because I was actually watching him make a fool of himself in the bus lane after his other unsuccessful escapades and half expected that something like this might happen.

By the time I was at Louglinstown roundabout he was back in my rear view mirror again, this time sans a row of those added lights and with the front end looking a bit worse than his driving. Oh how I laughed.

but43r

It's kinda strange seeing lorries getting stuck here. As far as I know lorries and buses don't have winter tyres, they would have all season tyres and they would get around fine in snow because of their weight.

Then again I might be mixing something up and tyres used on lorries and buses on the island might be different to the ones used on continent.

mantaraver

Yeah, I see your point alright and agree, in that situation it may not have been an issue and option 1 would be the winner. Saying that, I had to use option 2 driving from Belfast on sunday. No doubt the ejit i passed thought I was a bit mad, but if I hadnt passed him there was no way in hell I was getting up the two lane slip road. I did...he didn't even make it half way up the slight incline.
A little controlled madness can be necesary at times ! Just not in bleedin' 18-wheeler tho...:D

Scottie99

dcmraad wrote: »

What is it with truck drivers needing to drive right up your arse in this weather, overtaking dangerously and then forcing other drivers to take evasive action.

I was on the Intel link road to the N4 today, the overtaking lane was completely snow covered. Traffic was travelling at between 20 to 25mph, the road conditions merited it. A truck driver obviously though f*ck this I am overtaking those cars, so he pulled out into the outside lane and started losing the back of his truck immediately.

His rear axle slipped a metre toward the left lane.

I beeped and flashed like crazy at the car on the inside lane, who was unaware the truck was sliding into him. The car copped the truck and pulled right into the kerb, the truck stayed sideways the whole way while going up over the railway bridge, and he only regained control at the top.

How could someone like this be allowed to drive a large vehicle like this so dangerously. Do they not have special training.

The way you describe it sounds like the trailer had a problem with rear wheel steering. I've had occasions when after turning the trailers tail swings out.
As for your first paragraph, I saw a few car drivers over the last few days behaving in a similar fashion.:rolleyes:

dcmraad

Scottie99 wrote: »

The way you describe it sounds like the trailer had a problem with rear wheel steering. I've had occasions when after turning the trailers tail swings out.
As for your first paragraph, I saw a few car drivers over the last few days behaving in a similar fashion.:rolleyes:

It wasn't an artic, it was a

Limerick Bandit

:rolleyes:

Mr.Boots

During the last spell of snow a couple of weeks ago myslef and a line of cars were passed by two artic trucks on the n11 in very heavy snow, i saw them both coming and moved over as i saw the huge spray of slush they were sending out, the car infront of me didnt seem them coming and got plastered in slush and swerved (probably got a fright)
Both trucks got a couple of hundred metres ahead of the line of traffic, both jackknifed on a hill a short distance ahead.
One was Perenial Freight, the other was Nolan Transport.
I have seen many truck drivers driving stupidly over the last few weeks but funny enough ive seen more Nolan Transport trucks doing it than others.

lorrydriver

Limerick Bandit wrote: »

:rolleyes:

dcmraad wrote: »

What is it with truck drivers needing to drive right up your arse in this weather, overtaking dangerously and then forcing other drivers to take evasive action.

I was on the Intel link road to the N4 today, the overtaking lane was completely snow covered. Traffic was travelling at between 20 to 25mph, the road conditions merited it. A truck driver obviously though f*ck this I am overtaking those cars, so he pulled out into the outside lane and started losing the back of his truck immediately.

His rear axle slipped a metre toward the left lane.

I beeped and flashed like crazy at the car on the inside lane, who was unaware the truck was sliding into him. The car copped the truck and pulled right into the kerb, the truck stayed sideways the whole way while going up over the railway bridge, and he only regained control at the top.

How could someone like this be allowed to drive a large vehicle like this so dangerously. Do they not have special training.

you twats dont realise how important trucks are to this country with out trucks there would be no food in the shops and no fuel at the petrol stations across the country.
and reading some of the comments posted by other members the most of them dont no how to drive never mind critisiseing a proffessinal drivers way of driving thank you very much.

Mc Love

The last few days truck drivers in Ireland think they are the only ones on the road, and think they are in an episode of IRT

-Corkie-

I think most people agree the tailbacks etc are all caused by fools driving too slow alltogether. Some people havent a clue especially small car drivers. OP should grow some balls. They are rather handy in these situations.

Limerick Bandit

lorrydriver wrote: »

you twats dont realise how important trucks are to this country with out trucks there would be no food in the shops and no fuel at the petrol stations across the country.
and reading some of the comments posted by other members the most of them dont no how to drive never mind critisiseing a proffessinal drivers way of driving thank you very much.

Why have you quoted me in your post?

lorrydriver

Limerick Bandit wrote: »

Why have you quoted me in your post?

because i felt that u wer putting down the profession of lorry drivers in your post

johnos1984

lorrydriver wrote: »

because i felt that u wer putting down the profession of lorry drivers in your post

corktina

ive done a good bit of driving the past week or so on the ice and only seen one trucker you could mildly criticize. All the others were highly professional.

Im a very experianced driver of all sorts of vehicles up to 7.5 tonnes, but I wouldnt do what the artic drivers have been doing of late, fair play to their skill.
I can only echo its the drivers of small cars (Yaris and Micra in particular) who have ben causing a lot of unneceesary greif...they really should stay home if they are that nervous.

guil

dcmraad wrote: »

It wasn't an artic, it was a

if it was just a rigid like the pic ya posted i call absolute bull**** on this story, theres no way the back of it could slide so much at that speed and keep going, the front would of slowed it down and the back wheels would of pushed it more and more sideways

SC024

guil wrote: »

if it was just a rigid like the pic ya posted i call absolute bull**** on this story, theres no way the back of it could slide so much at that speed and keep going, the front would of slowed it down and the back wheels would of pushed it more and more sideways

True probably a healthy dose of boards exageration added in for good measure:)

guil

ha definately, i drive in all sorts in the truck and theres no way it could happen like the op said

lyverbird1

Once again, in a thread like this, we have some people who are prone to the 'all truck drivers are idiots' generalisations. I've seen many four wheel drive motorists and taxi drivers taking chances out of over confidence, but does that make ALL drivers in these categories idiots? Of course not.

Naturally, there are truck driver idiots but the majority I've seen are professionals doing a good job under very difficult conditions. They often do the job with little or no understanding from many motorists who see trucks as an impediment on the road that they must overtake as quickly and dangerously as possible. I've seen this as well as misbehaviour from the truck drivers so it works both ways.

lyverbird1

And may I echo the sentiments of those who suggest that overly nervous drivers should stay at home. Not making progress is a reason for failing a driving test, so when a driver is too nervous to make progress, they are a hazard themselves and should really consider an alternative method of transport...

Limerick Bandit

lorrydriver wrote: »

because i felt that u wer putting down the profession of lorry drivers in your post

If you look at my post with the ( :rolleyes:) you will see it is an edit

What i had posted was this


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dcmraad wrote: »

Do they not have special training.

<<<< op

Yes they do! You dont say what training you have? <<< my reply

Then i changed my mind and decided not to bother getting into it with someone that hasn't got a clue.

Im a biker, car driver, truck driver / professional driver

Pineapple stu

So one tonight that overtook a long line of cars at traffic lights and turned left in front of everyone and then got stuck in snow. Idiot of the highest order, at the same time a car drove down the footpath on the inside to turn left and nearly got clattered by the truck.

GTE

lorrydriver wrote: »

you twats dont realise how important trucks are to this country with out trucks there would be no food in the shops and no fuel at the petrol stations across the country.
and reading some of the comments posted by other members the most of them dont no how to drive never mind critisiseing a proffessinal drivers way of driving thank you very much.

Nothing you said there warrants putting other peoples safety in danger and frankly after reading the thread and then this I am astounded at your post.

Now, of course truck drivers are not the only ones who are idiots on the roads and I dont generalise that all truckers are idiots but what your post did there was say that what the truck driver did in the first post was the right thing to do.

I expect truck drivers to be the more considerate, mature and professional drivers on our roads and so so many of them are but some of them act like idiots. Sad thing is a truck being driven by an idiot is more noticeable then a car doing so. Truckers are an essential part of the road transportation network and with out them the country would shut down but in no way does it mean that one of them can overtake me on a blind bend and cut in front of me as he tries to avoid the oncoming bus or bully their way past me on a road a winding, narrow and walled road to Scarriff just because I was an L driver doing 75 in an 80 zone.

In these conditions the shop can do without their damn tins of soup for an extra hour or two.

donkey balls

Mr.Boots wrote: »

During the last spell of snow a couple of weeks ago myslef and a line of cars were passed by two artic trucks on the n11 in very heavy snow, i saw them both coming and moved over as i saw the huge spray of slush they were sending out, the car infront of me didnt seem them coming and got plastered in slush and swerved (probably got a fright)
Both trucks got a couple of hundred metres ahead of the line of traffic, both jackknifed on a hill a short distance ahead.
One was Perenial Freight, the other was Nolan Transport.
I have seen many truck drivers driving stupidly over the last few weeks but funny enough ive seen more Nolan Transport trucks doing it than others.

Not wanting to scare the crap out of anyone but the likes of Nolan and some other transport companies from the south east use cheap eastern european drivers some paying less than the min wage, I was talking to a garda traffic corp officer that I know and he was telling me that they can not issue penalty points etc due to them using foreign licenses.
Ask any truck driver what do they think of the likes of nolans drivers and you will get your answer,Alot of them make the whole transport sector look very un professonal.

ted1

john i saw the same muppet in the see van yesterday. In and out of the bus lane around stillorgan on the M11 i'm delighted to hear he got nicely rewarded for his excellent driving.

ted1

john i saw the same muppet in the see van yesterday. In and out of the bus lane around stillorgan on the M11 i'm delighted to hear he got nicely rewarded for his excellent driving.

johnos1984

donkey balls wrote: »

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Not wanting to scare the crap out of anyone but the likes of Nolan and some other transport companies from the south east use cheap eastern european drivers some paying less than the min wage, I was talking to a garda traffic corp officer that I know and he was telling me that they can not issue penalty points etc due to them using foreign licenses.
Ask any truck driver what do they think of the likes of nolans drivers and you will get your answer,Alot of them make the whole transport sector look very un professonal.

+1

I've heard similar, in fact the same and its not just a recent thing

guil

johnos1984 wrote: »

+1

I've heard similar, in fact the same and its not just a recent thing

there was a certain employer around the carlow area looking for a driver for an artic recently, the pay was 350 a week for 40+ hours before tax

dcmraad

is this guy driving like an idiot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-n5dsb5Zjo

watch this at 53 seconds, see the tail slide,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrUB86A7h-0&feature=related

tailslide at 14 seconds again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsoMazWfH6w&feature=related

corktina

dcmraad wrote: »

is this guy driving like an idiot
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depends on what speed the car was being driven.

-Chris-

dcmraad wrote: »

is this guy driving like an idiot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-n5dsb5Zjo

He didn't seem to slip or slide, maintained control, indicated properly etc. Looks like a textbook overtake to me.

dcmraad wrote: »

watch this at 53 seconds, see the tail slide,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrUB86A7h-0&feature=related

Truck gets stuck going up a hill. Tail slides while he's attempting to go forward. Truck driver makes the very sensible decision to reverse back down the hill rather than to be stubborn and keep trying to get up.

Hardly an idiot.

dcmraad wrote: »

tailslide at 14 seconds again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsoMazWfH6w&feature=related

Bin lorry gets stuck getting up a hill. Gets slight tail slide as he tries to take another run at it.
Bin lorry makes it up the hill.

Again, I hardly think that maneuver makes him an idiot.

Laisurg

I was under the impression that they never really cared much for fellow road users regardless of weather conditions.

opinion guy

lorrydriver wrote: »

you twats dont realise how important trucks are to this country with out trucks there would be no food in the shops and no fuel at the petrol stations across the country.
and reading some of the comments posted by other members the most of them dont no how to drive never mind critisiseing a proffessinal drivers way of driving thank you very much.

So sorry you are saying that the driver in the OP's story was in the right making an aggressive overtaking manouver, and putting the truck sideways and drifting up the hill.


Cause it seems like the right thing to do would have been to wait until the road ws clear if he needed the speed.

dcmraad

-Chris- wrote: »

He didn't seem to slip or slide, maintained control, indicated properly etc. Looks like a textbook overtake to me.




Truck gets stuck going up a hill. Tail slides while he's attempting to go forward. Truck driver makes the very sensible decision to reverse back down the hill rather than to be stubborn and keep trying to get up.

Hardly an idiot.




Bin lorry gets stuck getting up a hill. Gets slight tail slide as he tries to take another run at it.
Bin lorry makes it up the hill.

Again, I hardly think that maneuver makes him an idiot.

Sorry CHris, 1st video shows a dangerous overtake, look at the trucks lane condition.

other 2 are video showing that rigid trucks slide sideways, for the drivers who said it couldn't.

dcmraad

depends on what speed the car was being driven.

It says it on the video, the car was doing over 80kmh

Slick50

dcmraad wrote: »

It says it on the video, the car was doing over 80kmh

Over 80kmh in that weather is idiotic anyway. Here's a link for another idiot, not driving a truck, proporting to be a demonstration of "how to overtake" in poor conditions. The only difference is the ammount of carnage a car is going to cause as opposed to a truck/artic. which I think puts a greater burden of responsibility on a truck driver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F1ltZqoEhQ&feature=related

guil

dcmraad wrote: »

Sorry CHris, 1st video shows a dangerous overtake, look at the trucks lane condition.

other 2 are video showing that rigid trucks slide sideways, for the drivers who said it couldn't.

no one said rigids cant slide, its happened to me loads of times, what i said was that it wouldnt keep going forward if the back went doing 40/50 kmh

bmarley

Has there been a survey done in Ireland to find out how many trucks are involved in accidents on the road...I always move in and let them pass me, finding it a bit intimidating to have one up my ass

guil

bmarley wrote: »

Has there been a survey done in Ireland to find out how many trucks are involved in accidents on the road...I always move in and let them pass me, finding it a bit intimidating to have one up my ass

how many of them have being caused by a dope in a micra etc, thats oblivious to whats around them