Inferno/General Thoughts

Orim

With the gap before the next Inferno I thought this be a good chance to look at how things are going with Inferno and maybe with everything else in general.

I'm sure price will come again so can I just ask that you also look at other aspects because generally when this stuff gets brought up the price seems to dominate.

The main thing from the last Inferno was the side tournaments. I think it was good to have something else on the day but two may have been mistake and certainly waiting so long to get them started was a mistake. I think the side event could be run during groups of the main tournament without affecting the timing too much. It would also mean that we could have the finals of the side tournament during the lull while the bracket for the main tournament is prepared.

Venue seems grand for the moment. The bit more thought led to it being more comfortable this month with room for everything. Size wise I am slightly worried if we get up to larger attendance. Maybe I'm being paranoid.

All in all I think we're in fairly good shape. Just gotta get t-shirts and posters sorted.

There's also the matter of the games that are coming out this year. The SSF4 launch event was really good and I'd love to do something similar for some the games this year (marvel). Any one have any ideas on the best way to do things?

Doctor DooM

I'd like to take feedback on what we do to make the commentary better from here on in.

I get the feeling most people are happy enough so far but I'd like to make it less seat of the pants.

Sagat06

I think it would be easier for everyone involved if it was moved to Carlow.

And it should be just Ry and farz hurling abuse on the vids.

Doctor DooM

Sagat06 wrote: »

And it should be just Ry and farz hurling abuse on the vids.

Believe it or not, both Farz and Ry were both quite reserved on the mike!

Azza

I'm gonna agree with Zorin and say Moar....Moar Power.....do it!!! Full Throttle!

Placebo

lads i think its time.
INFERNO SPECIAL FEBRUARY THE 5TH


Farzad [the sensei]
VS
Ry [the student]

first to ten. FISTS WILL FLY AT THIS LOCATION.
Ry will have his stick and practice, it will be offline, no costume lag. He can block the mash ex legs. Will he be competent enough to take on the mind games?

On a serious note, i will defo have posters ready, we shall print them in time and hopefully stick them around busy , demographically acceptable locations.

Not sure about shirts. A commentary chair, table would be nice.

Doctor DooM

Placebo wrote: »

lads i think its time.
INFERNO SPECIAL FEBRUARY THE 5TH


Farzad [the sensei]
VS
Ry [the student]

first to ten. FISTS WILL FLY AT THIS LOCATION.
Ry will have his stick and practice, it will be offline, no costume lag. He can block the mash ex legs. Will he be competent enough to take on the mind games?

On a serious note, i will defo have posters ready, we shall print them in time and hopefully stick them around busy , demographically acceptable locations.

Not sure about shirts. A commentary chair, table would be nice.

TBH I would think posters are way higher up the priority list than shirts.

A table and chairs would be cool for commentary. Weirdly enough they seemed to be at a premium in the exchange!

Orim

Doctor DooM wrote: »

TBH I would think posters are way higher up the priority list than shirts.

A table and chairs would be cool for commentary. Weirdly enough they seemed to be at a premium in the exchange!

Its true but we can sort stuff out. A commentator section would be a good way to get those really low chairs with arms out of the way because they were useless for playing in.

And yeah posters are top of the list now me thinks although cost wise unless unless people are chipping in to pay for them, they will take up most of the earnings from an Inferno. So something to consider. Personally I think paying for and getting my own poster would be best.

Doctor DooM

Orim wrote: »

Its true but we can sort stuff out. A commentator section would be a good way to get those really low chairs with arms out of the way because they were useless for playing in.

And yeah posters are top of the list now me thinks although cost wise unless unless people are chipping in to pay for them, they will take up most of the earnings from an Inferno. So something to consider. Personally I think paying for and getting my own poster would be best.

Maybe we could do a run and people pay for 2 posters, get to keep one or something.

I'd definitely like an inferno poster or 2.

Sagat06

I'd love a generic poster of the Irish scene with no dates and stuff, and would be willing to pay real monies for it!!!

FoamyMushroom

i just installed PS i can mess around with a design for a poster for a while post n see what ppl think?
A suggestion of course!

D4RK ONION

I may be in the minority, but I think once a month has really taken the "event" out of Inferno, once a month just seems a little too often. If it was a slightly less common event, people may be more inclined to take work off for it and head to Dublin or whatever. If it was once every two months and then every other month there was a day of champions + big casuals day, I think that'd be my ideal set up.

Just my own opinion on it. Apart from that, TV needs more lag and Guile should be banned.

Sagat06

Agree with ya Onion. I struggle to make these regularly but if they were less common it would be easier to justify time off etc

Orim

I can see the point and I agree but I would rather keep it as monthly thing and have another event every quarter or similar. A Wheel of Inferno, if you will, which takes that months tournaments and puts them into one big event.

That would be my ideal set up as I do like having a regular event but I do say this as someone who is in Dublin and as such making it to Inferno isn't a huge deal for me.

Azza

I wouldn't be against the idea of it being once every 2 months or a slightly longer delay between events.

K.O.Kiki

I like things being monthly.
Means that if when I miss one event, the next one is not TOO far away.

Also I'd like to petition for the player ranks to be reset in January.

Sagat06

Orim wrote: »

but I do say this as someone who is in Dublin and as such making it to Inferno isn't a huge deal for me.

Exactly. My ideal set up would be for you to run a montlhy league meet, like the glacial league. And a quartley 'big' tournament.

UberPrinny_Baal

I think monthly is fine.

The side tournaments were fun too.

Doctor DooM

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Also I'd like to petition for the player ranks to be reset in January.

Reasoning behind that? They were already reset for Super and they're just evening out now.

Also I like it monthly, it means if you miss one you're not left waiting.

Orim

There's no reason, I can think of, for rankings to be reset. We brought in decaying seeds for precisely that reason. We no longer have the case where it's impossible for a new player to get into the seedings because of time and similar.

As an example for one of the recent tournaments, Azza went from outside top 16th to 7th or 8th due to a tournament which is only possible due to the decaying seeds. That wasn't due to any past performances and was purely because of his win. This is possible for any player now.

Placebo

We need a monthly event. All of us cant make casuals, Its good practice.
People who find it hard to travel should just come every 2 months

also fomay, pfft i make the posters around here. :pac:
I'll do one over xmas. We just use inferno money [the extra] to print some for posting around the city. People who want one for themselves can pay for those.

ayjayirl

Once a month for Inferno is fine imho. The more frequent, the better the chance of getting new players to come along.

Like the idea of a big once or twice a year tournament. Now that the pool of regular players is bigger if one was arranged once a year then the infernos could be used to get this to all in the pool of players and make it a special event - one where everyone on the scene shows up. Could also allow for invitations for some of the English guys/French guys to make an annual trip for glory. They might not, but until you create the big event and send the invites, we'll never know. There is enough players in Ireland to make the event a success.

Just a thought but we could also look at having this big event cover other fighting games like tekken, soul calibre, and BB. This could expand the attendance, inter-connect the communities better and maybe allow for greater expense (as you've more of a pool of people coming). Just a thought.

I digress a bit. Inferno is run well. Big up to Dan for the latest and consistent organising, The Doom for recordin, Dred and Chopper and others I am sure I will forget to put in (except Farz!), for their persistent efforts in keeping it going. Good job lads!


As for the posters - awesome, but I will never thank Farz for them.

joconnell

Other thing about monthly ones is that there's a lot of times where some of the bigger players Can't come along - while it's setting false standards about who the top players are, it's still nice for other folks to get a taste of winning every now and then.

blag

For me personally, monthly has hurt the standard of Inferno. There's not the same sense of occasion and that's reflected in the numbers.

If it was every two months I'd go out of my way to make each one and I think it'd restore a bit of meaning to each event.

I have noticed it's just the people from outside the Dublin area commenting on the frequency but with the numbers you guys have in Dublin a monthly ranbat would make sense to me with occasional appearances from people who can't commit to monthly event.

bush

Im all for the monthly tournaments

Ken B

I've said it before, that I believe that inferno should be held less frequently and keep it a bit more special. I'm not against having a tournament of some variety every month, but the big inferno should be more of an event(to quote Sagat06/D4rk Onion). The world cup wouldn't be so special if it was every year......

Sairus

I do agree that especially now that I'm in Cork it's very hard to justify heading to Dublin every month for an Inferno. However, I really do think there needs to be a monthly event in Dublin to keep interest and player practice going.
As has been sort of suggested, maybe keep the Infernos running as normal but quarterly or bimonthly run a larger event with possibly a higher buy in that everyone in the country is encouraged to make if they cant get to the regulars.
Finally then a mad Super Smash Wheel of Inferno: Bloodline Rebellion XXACPlus could be run once a year for a big hootenany.


As for the venue itself, The Exchange seemed pretty grand for running Infernos for the moment I would imagine. There was plenty of room that we didn't go near at the last event and the projector setup was all sorts of badass.

Ooh, also, the side tournaments were a great addition. Definitely keep that **** going. As said though, two running simultaeniously was too much. Especially with the breakneck speed EX Plus Alpha runs at.

bush

Keep it at 1 every month but every 2nd month can be called SUPER INFERNO to make it special for the people who only want to go every 2nd month :pac:

Fergus_

I think we could do maybe with 1 or 2 extra monitors/TVs. I dunno if it's just my crippling shyness or not but I felt like it was a bit hard to get games at the Infernos. I understand that not everyone is gonna get a game constantly but thought 1 or 2 extra monitors would help, especially if we're trying to get new people to add to the numbers

I like the whole commentary thing and I was happy to see that it was being quiet, I thought it would be kinda booming over the room or something. And I like the projector with the big screen on the wall.

I thought the side tournaments was a good idea. Nice variety. Maybe some MvC2 next time?

Well I've only been at 2 Inferno's so I wouldn't know much about the older infernos and how they were run but I think we're going good, just 1 or 2 extra monitors.

I think we should keep Inferno as a monthly event but like others have said, hold a massive one maybe like every 3-4 months and that should encourage attendance. Inferno is one of the things I look forward to in the upcoming months so I'd like to keep it monthly but hey, not my call.

Roll on next Inferno

Dreddybajs

Fergus_ wrote: »

I think we could do maybe with 1 or 2 extra monitors/TVs.

Feel free to bring one then. :pac:

Imo monthly is fine (funny how everyone in Dublin is saying monthly and everyone outside is saying once every two months eh), I'm all for the idea of running a bigger event every quarter or so as well.

Ramza

Dreddybajs wrote: »

(funny how everyone in Dublin is saying monthly and everyone outside is saying once every two months eh)

^

On a more serious note, I think monthly is fine too, a month is a long time folks. Once every two months seems a bit too little (as in 5/6 a year)

Fergus_

Dreddybajs wrote: »

Feel free to bring one then. :pac:

Imo monthly is fine (funny how everyone in Dublin is saying monthly and everyone outside is saying once every two months eh), I'm all for the idea of running a bigger event every quarter or so as well.

I can't exactly drag one along on the bus but thanks for the suggestion !

Sairus

Fergus_ wrote: »

I can't exactly drag one along on the bus but thanks for the suggestion !

Sure I brought up two xboxs on the bus to one Inferno from Cork :pac:

Doctor DooM

Last inferno AJ and I dragged up the sniper case and an xbox from Kildare.

It'll work if you believe in yourself Fergus

Placebo

last inferno i talked ry into coming then took 4 perfects. I clearly did the best out of the above

Fergus_

Sairus wrote: »

Sure I brought up two xboxs on the bus to one Inferno from Cork :pac:

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Last inferno AJ and I dragged up the sniper case and an xbox from Kildare.

It'll work if you believe in yourself Fergus

Touché

UberPrinny_Baal

Also Dan brought a half dozen monitors on the red line Luas by himself.

That's practically an extreme sport!

chopperbyrne

Green Line, he's a yuppie.

Probably had rugger buggers helping him.

fake_roogle

monthly is fine inferno to me is not about being special (not in the same case that "oh my gawd its evo") but more about uniting a bunch of pals who happen to live all over the land, leveling up, smashing the **** out of each other virtually then eating food and having a jolly old time

see y'all in june HOLLA

GorySnake

Keep it monthly, if anyones worried about their Top 16 spot, seedings arent hugely important.

ayjayirl

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Last inferno AJ and I dragged up the sniper case and an xbox from Kildare.

It'll work if you believe in yourself Fergus

.... and the Doom CAM! - with tripod.

Misty Chaos

I have no problem with Infernos being held monthly, even though I can't really make most of them. ( Then again, there will probably be more tournies in Cork next year, so maybe I should be focusing on improving those. )

I also fully support the idea of a big yearly event as well but it would need a lot of planning over a peroid of at least 3 - 4 months beforehand ( it would also prevent horror stories like what I heard went down at SvB. ) It should also be a weekend long event with various games being played ( ie, SSFIV / AE, MvC3, Tekken, MK9, etc ) and space for casuals.

It would also be nice if we could get at least one of the sponsored teams from America over, as well as some of the top European talent, would make it look more impressive. Also, one other critcal aspect, STREAMING. Even if its only the top 8 of each game, its better than nothing. ( Again, I'm looking at you, SvB )

And the Doom Cam, the event wouldn't be complete without it!

Just my two cents.

Fergus_

Misty Choas wrote: »

I have no problem with Infernos being held monthly, even though I can't really make most of them. ( Then again, there will probably be more tournies in Cork next year, so maybe I should be focusing on improving those. )

I also fully support the idea of a big yearly event as well but it would need a lot of planning over a peroid of at least 3 - 4 months beforehand ( it would also prevent horror stories like what I heard went down at SvB. ) It should also be a weekend long event with various games being played ( ie, SSFIV / AE, MvC3, Tekken, MK9, etc ) and space for casuals.

It would also be nice if we could get at least one of the sponsored teams from America over, as well as some of the top European talent, would make it look more impressive. Also, one other critcal aspect, STREAMING. Even if its only the top 8 of each game, its better than nothing. ( Again, I'm looking at you, SvB )

And the Doom Cam, the event wouldn't be complete without it!

Just my two cents.

Aiming a little high aren't we?

But that would be awesome

K.O.Kiki

If you don't find monthly Inferno "special enough"...

just miss every other one! :pac:

Orim

I probably won't be able to make it to the next Inferno so here's the seedings as they stand.

Dreddybajs - 0+2+0+3+ 7 + 6 + 4 = 17
The Hound - 4+0+0+7+ 6 + 0 + 8 = 14
Cobelcog - 8+8+8+5+ 5 + 8 + 0= 13
Doctor Doom - 3+1+2+4+ 1 + 5 + 7 = 13
Azza - 6+0+0+0+ 8 + 4 + 0 = 12
D4RK Onion - 2+0+3+4+ 3 + 2 + 5 = 10
Ken B - 2+2+0+2+ 0 + 3 + 6 = 8
Gory snake - 0+5+5+0+ 0 + 7 + 0 = 7
Prenelf 0+0+0+ 0+ 0 + 4 + 3 = 7
Fake Jim 0+0+0+0+ 0 + 1 + 4 = 5
AnimaX - 0+6+7+2+ 4 + 0 + 0 = 4
Bush - 7+4+4+8+ 2 + 2 + 0 = 4
Kirby - 0+3+6+0+ 4 + 0 + 0 = 4
Dark Talent 0+0+0+0+ 2 + 2 + 0 = 4
Ayjayirl - 0+2+0+0+ 0 + 2 + 2 = 4
Blag - 0+7+0+3+ 3 + 0 + 0 = 3
Sairus - 0+0+0+0 + 0 + 0 + 3 = 3
Foamy mushroom - 0+1+0+0 + 0 + 3 + 0 = 3
Orim 0+0+0+1+ 2 + 0 + 1 = 3
JohnnyBlue 0+0+0+0+ 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
Bourkenator 0+0+0+0+ 1 + 0 + 1 = 2
Placebo - 0+3+1+0+ 0 + 0 + 2 = 2
PPC - 0+0+0+0 + 0 + 0 + 2 = 2
BanjoB = 0+0+3+0+ 0 + 1 + 0 = 1
Uberprinny-Baal 0+0+0+0+ 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
Zorin 0+0+0+0+ 0 + 1 + 0 = 1
A-Trak 0+0+0+0+ 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
Speedboat - 0+1+0+0 + 0 + 0 + 1 = 1
Jim - 1+0+0+0+ 0 + 0 + 1 = 1
Ramza 0+0+0 +1+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Owmykneecaps - 2+0+0+1+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Redman350 - 0+2+2+1+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Jun DP-1 0+0+0+2+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Chunkis - 0+0+4+2+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Ian McTetley - 0+1+0 +6+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Sagat08 - 0+0+2+0+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Yreval - 0+0+1+0+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Shokashi - 0+0+1+0+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Kikimaru - 0+0+2+0+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
New type - 0+4+0+0+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Speedhaak - 1+0+0+0+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Sisko - 1+0+0+0+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Liquidswords - 4+0+0+0+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
unky chop chop - 3+0+0+0+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Future guy - 2+0+0+0+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Malachy - 1+0+0+0+ 0 + 0 + 0 = 0

The exchange can be contacted at : bookings@exchange.ie
We're not booked for February but they have offered quarterly bookings if we want to take advantage of that.

Placebo

Placebo - 0+3+1+0+ 0 + 0 + 2 = 2

Zorin 0+0+0+0+ 0 + 1 + 0 = 1
A-Trak 0+0+0+0+ 1 + 0 + 0 = 1

winna

Owwmykneecap

Sagat06 wrote: »

I think it would be easier for everyone involved if it was moved to Carlow.

And it should be just Ry and farz hurling abuse on the vids.

where abouts are you in carlow? I'm down there most of the time.

Re: Inferno the way things stand it needs to be monthly.

If there was a league or something, then it could maybe run Quaterly but without anything else it's the backbone of our community.

K.O.Kiki

Oh cool, I'm actually just really really bad, instead of "worst scrub-level bad".

ayjayirl

Placebo wrote: »

Placebo - 0+3+1+0+ 0 + 0 + 2 = 2

Zorin 0+0+0+0+ 0 + 1 + 0 = 1
A-Trak 0+0+0+0+ 1 + 0 + 0 = 1

winna

Ayjayirl - 0+2+0+0+ 0 + 2 + 2 = 4

Placebo - 0+3+1+0+ 0 + 0 + 2 = 2


Suck it Farz.

ayjayirl

Ken B - 2+2+0+2+ 0 + 3 + 6 = 8


?

Its 9, right? 6+3 is 9 or I have wasted many years in school.

Placebo

ayjayirl wrote: »

Ayjayirl - 0+2+0+0+ 0 + 2 + 2 = 4

Placebo - 0+3+1+0+ 0 + 0 + 2 = 2


Suck it Farz.

ah sure some luck there ajay