the 4 hour body

PeakOutput

just wondering if anyone has read this yet? i know peoples opinions here about quick fixes and stuff like that but the authors previous book(while in a completely different area is fairly well respected) and he has also created a well respected method for becoming fluent in foreign languages relatively quickly so he is no idiot.

if anyone has read it if they can just post what they thought about it as its hard to get through the marketing online

here is a link to a youtube video which tries to explain what its all about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHO4uCUwiww

and a description from amazon

Thinner, bigger, faster, stronger... which 150 pages will you read?

Is it possible to:
Reach your genetic potential in 6 months?
Sleep 2 hours per day and perform better than on 8 hours?
Lose more fat than a marathoner by bingeing?

Indeed, and much more. This is not just another diet and fitness book.

The 4-Hour Body is the result of an obsessive quest, spanning more than a decade, to hack the human body. It contains the collective wisdom of hundreds of elite athletes, dozens of MDs, and thousands of hours of jaw-dropping personal experimentation. From Olympic training centers to black-market laboratories, from Silicon Valley to South Africa, Tim Ferriss, the #1 New York Times bestselling author of The 4-Hour Workweek, fixated on one life-changing question:

For all things physical, what are the tiniest changes that produce the biggest results?

Thousands of tests later, this book contains the answers for both men and women.

From the gym to the bedroom, it’s all here, and it all works.


YOU WILL LEARN (in less than 30 minutes each):
How to lose those last 5-10 pounds (or 100+ pounds) with odd combinations of food and safe chemical cocktails.

* How to prevent fat gain while bingeing (X-mas, holidays, weekends)
* How to increase fat-loss 300% with a few bags of ice
* How Tim gained 34 pounds of muscle in 28 days, without steroids, and in four hours of total gym time
* How to sleep 2 hours per day and feel fully rested
* How to produce 15-minute female orgasms
* How to triple testosterone and double sperm count
* How to go from running 5 kilometers to 50 kilometers in 12 weeks
* How to reverse “permanent” injuries
* How to add 150+ pounds to your lifts in 6 months
* How to pay for a beach vacation with one hospital visit

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. There are more than 50 topics covered, all with real-world experiments, many including more than 200 test subjects.

You don't need better genetics or more discipline. You need immediate results that compel you to continue.

That’s exactly what The 4-Hour Body delivers.

gant0

I'm sorry but to me that all just sounds like a heap of ****e:rolleyes:.I'm sure there are some truths in there but to me that sounds more like a work of fiction and potentially dangerous to yourself!!

amazingemmet

Read it over the weekend. Do Not Buy.

Mainly regurgitated web material, badly massaged data, in general a guide of over complication and shout information with fancy words to show some form of competance.

7 thumbs down

d'Oracle

amazingemmet wrote: »

Read it over the weekend. Do Not Buy.

Mainly regurgitated web material, badly massaged data, in general a guide of over complication and shout information with fancy words to show some form of competance.

7 thumbs down

Too late.:D

Chet Zar

He's heavy on style, low on substance that's for sure.

PeakOutput

amazingemmet wrote: »

Read it over the weekend. Do Not Buy.

Mainly regurgitated web material, badly massaged data, in general a guide of over complication and shout information with fancy words to show some form of competance.

7 thumbs down

ye i 'acquired' a copy of it about 5 mins ago skipped straight to the holding your breath section and its pretty dissapointing alright. as a surfer it would be great to have a proper training method for increasing that ability but its just a gimicky once off trick that would be impressive at a party but no use in practice whatsoever

ScareGilly

PeakOutput wrote: »

ye i 'acquired' a copy of it about 5 mins ago skipped straight to the holding your breath section and its pretty dissapointing alright. as a surfer it would be great to have a proper training method for increasing that ability but its just a gimicky once off trick that would be impressive at a party but no use in practice whatsoever

What is it? :rolleyes:

PeakOutput

ScareGilly wrote: »

What is it? :rolleyes:

its david blaines method for being able to hold your breath for long periods of time. it works no doubt but it involves a fairly long preperation process so you need to know your going to need to have to hold your breath for it to work. if your really interested ill copy and paste it in tomorrow its on my other computer

AntiVirus

PeakOutput wrote: »

its david blaines method for being able to hold your breath for long periods of time. it works no doubt but it involves a fairly long preperation process so you need to know your going to need to have to hold your breath for it to work. if your really interested ill copy and paste it in tomorrow its on my other computer

I'm interested to know this too? Someone in the office must have eaten something very dodgy last night. I'm going to need to be able to hold my breath for a few mins if this happens again!

Also why bother with air freshener, nothing was going to cover that up. It just turned it into some kind of world war 2 gas bomb!!

PS: I bet it was one of the girls as well!

ScareGilly

I'd say it'd be an interesting read to say the most, how do I go about purchasing this scam?

Mellor

Doesn't he do somehing to slow his heart rate right down

The Davestator

How the hell did he only manage 4 hours gym time in 28 days? (yet still add 34 lbs of muscle!)

Like a lot of similar stuff, realistic results are mixed with silly results to increase sales.

PeakOutput

ScareGilly wrote: »

I'd say it'd be an interesting read to say the most, how do I go about purchasing this scam?

its on amazon, i imagine it will be a number one seller on the back of his last book

Doesn't he do somehing to slow his heart rate right down

well i imagine blaine did for his record attempt alright and i think free divers use ways to control their heart rate aswell but the method in the book is just breathing excersises and an emphasis on staying still

another part i want to read is the 'how to sleep for two hours and perform like you have had 8' chapter but after the breath holding one im well...im not holding my breath


ill get my coat

amazingemmet

The Davestator wrote: »

How the hell did he only manage 4 hours gym time in 28 days? (yet still add 34 lbs of muscle!)

Like a lot of similar stuff, realistic results are mixed with silly results to increase sales.

One did he really add 34lbs of muscle, I'd disagree strongly that he did using his results posted, waist from 31-34 inches.

If anyone is interested google "the colorado experiment"

Transform

every book has to have its hook and selling points to get people to buy it.

There might not be anything new in the book for someone that has a few years of training experience but the same could be said for e.g. starting strength if you read everything bill star wrote in hardgainer all those years ago or Primal nutrition if you read all his blog posts or combined that info with robb wolfs blog and thrown in some lyle and leigh peele.

The 4-hr body needs to be simple as its aimed at a very wide audience. Will it blow you away if you have a good base knowledge? Possibly not but i always thing that even if i get one point or one teaching tool that proves useful then I will buy it.

I ove the video especially when you consider its for a book (i showed it to a client of mine that runs a TV production company and even she was impressed and has never seen an ad at that level for any book)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIVmsIJyj3A

SanoVitae

Bear in mind how Ferriss became a martial arts champion without having ever trained in martial arts before. He spotted a loophole in the contest rules, which stated that fighters lost points every time they were pushed out of the ring. So that was the only thing he did. Being much bigger than his competitors, it was very easy for him to "win" every fight by simply repeating the same move over and over again.

So while I don't believe he gained 34 pounds of muscle in 28 days, I'm pretty sure he has a very entertaining way of justifying his claims.

As for the Colarado experiment, Casey Viator a) is a genetic freak b) was regaining a lot of muscle c) was most likely loaded to the gills with roids.

-Chris-

If you learn anything, it should be that Tim Ferris is an absolutely brilliant marketer.

I've read 4 Hour Work Week, and while it's interesting and does make you think about how you structure your work, really it should be used as inspiration for improving your personal processes rather than any expectation that the average person can make a living from working 4 hours a week.

From his anecdotes in 4HWW, it does seem that Tim has a particular physique/metabolism that allows him to gain or lose weight quickly, among other things. Again I think this is a brilliantly marketed book, but at most it'll only be useful for the average person to take tips and tricks from.

d'Oracle

Transform wrote: »

There might not be anything new in the book for someone that has a few years of training experience but the same could be said for e.g. starting strength if you read everything bill star wrote in hardgainer all those years ago or Primal nutrition if you read all his blog posts or combined that info with robb wolfs blog and thrown in some lyle and leigh peele.

I'm not entirely convinced thats what this is gonna be though.
I mean Starting Strength or The Paleo Solution are basically a guy putting his experience in a field that they have a great deal of experience or study put in on.

This seems to be more frenetic. I'm not sure there is much point in one guy writing books on a loads of different stuff.

Eitherway fair play to him, he had an article in Wired which caught my attention long enough to have me infront of a laptop me after a few beers with my credit card handy.....

Transform

d'Oracle wrote: »

I'm not entirely convinced thats what this is gonna be though.
I mean Starting Strength or The Paleo Solution are basically a guy putting his experience in a field that they have a great deal of experience or study put in on.

This seems to be more frenetic. I'm not sure there is much point in one guy writing books on a loads of different stuff.

Eitherway fair play to him, he had an article in Wired which caught my attention long enough to have me infront of a laptop me after a few beers with my credit card handy.....

i agree - and its all done on the back of his previous best seller which i really enjoyed.

My point in starting strength etc was that the info already existed and its just told in a different story.

I am sure he is under contract from his publishers to do another book so away with him and as i said i think there might be better books out there but i will still probably buy it anyway.

SanoVitae

Ferriss is the type of guy who would starve himself to the point of resembling Christian Bale in The Machinist and then train like crazy to bulk up.

In Bale's case, he lost 60 pounds by starving himself until he got down to 120 pounds. After the film, he regained the 60 pounds and gained another 60 pounds to bulk up for Batman.

Without steroids, that's the only way I think he could have have gained 34 pounds of muscle in 28 days. I certainly don't think it's because he possesses some "secret knowledge" which experts in the field do not.

PeakOutput

he is absolutely a brilliant marketer and internet marketer in particular no doubt about it

its not a coincidence that the biggest markets on the internet are get rich quick schemes, dating / sex and fitness and that his first bookpromised to make you rich and have you working 4 hours aweek and this book is on fitness and includes sex advice

he knows what sells and he knows how to sell it but if you know that going in then i think you can still learn valuable lessons, at least i did form the 4 hour work week gonna have to wait and see with this

kmick

Here he is in action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmM_tUrwFZM

Regarding the book people will buy anything that promises a shortcut to health, wealth or happiness.

d'Oracle

PeakOutput wrote: »

includes sex advice

This is what I'm really after.
Broscientific Sex advice.

TheZ

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/11/mf_qa_ferriss/all/1

interview here with him

Gonzo writing - he reminds me of that guy Strauss who wrote The Game

PeakOutput

TheZ wrote: »

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/11/mf_qa_ferriss/all/1

interview here with him

Gonzo writing - he reminds me of that guy Strauss who wrote The Game

their success stories would be fairly similar alright

BigDuffman

"Lose more fat than a marathon runner by bingeing....." I turned off after this.

PeakOutput

BigDuffman wrote: »

"Lose more fat than a marathon runner by bingeing....." I turned off after this.

iirc there are numerous places that advocate binge eating as a part of a cutting diet

Transform

BigDuffman wrote: »

"Lose more fat than a marathon runner by bingeing....." I turned off after this.

he is referring to protein cycling there so its no so extreme

- remember he has a book to sell. The front cover of mens health are far worse

Transform

Transform wrote: »

he is referring to protein cycling there so its no so extreme

- remember he has a book to sell. The front cover of mens health are far worse

listened to a good long interview with him by robb wolf and he came across really well and worked with some really well respected trainers for the book.

the interview made me want to get the book more where as prior to listening to it i thought i would like him and his book less

I would have reservations about whatever part of his brain that that thought it was a brilliant idea to affiliate himself to a guy that thinks it's totally rad to tattoo 'UNSCaReD' onto his knuckles and then repeatedly show everyone.

Other than that I think we has some good ways of getting people to rethink how they look at time management and goal setting.

Barry.Oglesby

Just another dumbed down self help book. I feel genuinely sorry for people who think that stuff like this is plausible.

A better read for anyone interested in improving their lives, bank balance, self esteem etc. would be to read SHAM by Steve Salerno. Maybe after reading through that then you might reconsider buying any of this crap. Hence your bank balance will improve by not spending another cent on a con artist, and your quality of life will improve by not having to spend so much time reading how to improve yourself.

Actually just wait for my book the 3.59 Hour Body in which I explain where I found the extra minute.

PeakOutput

columok wrote: »

I would have reservations about whatever part of his brain that that thought it was a brilliant idea to affiliate himself to a guy that thinks it's totally rad to tattoo 'UNSCaReD' onto his knuckles and then repeatedly show everyone.

quote from another forum

the guy with the UNSCARED tattooed on his knuckles is Brian McKenzie from Crossfit Endurance, an ultramarathoner that flies in the face of all conventional marathoners i have read about.

http://www.gotrimax.com/TriMaxBmac.htm

dont know much about him but it sounds like he is someone you would like to get advice on if distance running was your thing.

was going to not go near the rest of this book but if transform thinks it has some value then for what i paid for it ill give it a read. if there are any more crazy sounding things in it ill post them in this thread to get people opinions on them

Edwardius

Brian Mckenzie's hook is that he's revolutionising the ultramarathon community but he apparently keeps DNFing the races...

d'Oracle

And the people who really did revolutionise Ultra were basically people who ran a truckload, every damn day, cos they loved it.

Transform

He consulted with some of the top people in their field for this book (he was looking for outliers) and recommending Sham or even one i have read like 59seconds does not change the possiblility (have not read it yet either) that there are points that might interest all.

Here are just a few people he consulted with for the book -

- Brian Mc as mentioned
- Charles Poliquin
- Gray Cook
- Pavel Tsatsouline
- Craig Buhler
- Robb Wolf
and many more
etc

Any book with articles and tips from any of those guys I would like to read.

amazingemmet

Transform wrote: »

Here are just a few people he consulted with for the book -

- Brian Mc as mentioned
- Charles Poliquin
- Gray Cook
- Pavel Tsatsouline
- Craig Buhler
- Robb Wolf
and many more
etc

Any book with articles and tips from any of those guys I would like to read.

The problem is that the information from those people is exactly the same info they give away for free normally and has been all over the web for years

PeakOutput

amazingemmet wrote: »

The problem is that the information from those people is exactly the same info they give away for free normally and has been all over the web for years

he came under criticism for this in his first book as well. most of the ideas like mini retirements and the how to outsource your life stuff was already freely available on the internet but not necessarily easily available.

as long as he references stuff i dont really have a problem with that kind of thing, if he tries and passes it off as his own idea then its not very ethical but id still read it if his way of delivering it is more convenient then trawling through hundreds of webpages

I don't know how any of you can call the book a scam when if you know anything about Tim Ferriss, you know he is all about metrics. That's his thing.

The beauty of this book is that everything he did was tested and measured. I bought it over the weekend and read the first chapter thus far. And he's far too intelligent to create a scam book. He doesn't just look for a quick buck.

Transform

amazingemmet wrote: »

The problem is that the information from those people is exactly the same info they give away for free normally and has been all over the web for years

yes i agree but thats still good to get all in one place

Transform

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know how any of you can call the book a scam when if you know anything about Tim Ferriss, you know he is all about metrics. That's his thing.

The beauty of this book is that everything he did was tested and measured. I bought it over the weekend and read the first chapter thus far. And he's far too intelligent to create a scam book. He doesn't just look for a quick buck.

agreed and thats excatly what he states in the interview - test test test

Barry.Oglesby

He consulted with some of the top people in their field for this book (he was looking for outliers) and recommending Sham or even one i have read like 59seconds does not change the possiblility (have not read it yet either) that there are points that might interest all.

Here are just a few people he consulted with for the book -

- Brian Mc as mentioned
- Charles Poliquin
- Gray Cook
- Pavel Tsatsouline
- Craig Buhler
- Robb Wolf
and many more
etc

I consult with people like that every week but it doesn't mean I've got something worth reading. Also I reckon if I paid either Pavel or Poloquin enough dough I could reference them in a book about felching.

Here's something- I've gained 18lbs in the space of 10 hours or so. And I could do more if I wanted. Will did 22lbs the other week in 15 hours. I have guys do it all the time in fact.

And I have a finite amount of time in my week and reading yet another quick fix self help (if you're reading a book, isn't it just "help"?) gain X beat the rest wow your boss manufacture time get the girl hor****e. That's not dismissive, that's just knowing the market for these things.

Barry.Oglesby

Actually **** it I'm doing it again and this usually leads to me being banned.

We don't have a common frame of reference to debate this point so I'll leave you all to it. Enjoy the book and gaining all that muscle.

PeakOutput

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

We don't have a common frame of reference to debate this point so I'll leave you all to it.

haha what a cop out, you know more about it so there is no point debating with us guys who dont know as much

what a load of crap

dude i made money out of internet marketing for 6 months last year i know all about the 'self help' gurus, the pick up masters, the fitness experts trust me

there is a serious amount of bull**** marketing hype surrounding every product on the planet, the trick is to see past and objectively decide if you should buy that product, subscribe to that service or listen to that persons advice

john berardi is a prime example, his websites follow the same internet marketing, sell as many electronic copies as you can formula, as the pick up artist websites do. that dosnt mean he is any less of an expert in his field and his advice is any less valuable, it just means he is smart and likes to make as much money as possible.

if your convinced you know it all and can do it all on your own more power to you go for it, im sure you will be very successful, that dosnt mean that researching interests and trying to find ways to improve yourself is somehow wrong or something not worth the time.

and if you debating on the internet usually leads to you getting banned i suggest you try this i only have two copies left though and they are selling fast so get them at this ridicolously low price while you can

http://www.amazon.com/Anger-Management-Dummies-Doyle-Gentry/dp/0470037156/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1292883747&sr=8-3

Barry.Oglesby

Here we go again. Just keep your fingers on the ban button.

PeakOutput wrote: »

haha what a cop out, you know more about it so there is no point debating with us guys who dont know as much

No, I didn't say that, I said we didn't have a common frame of reference. You see I'm used to seeing people who know what they're doing day after day and who pass on good advice, or ask good questions because they know they don't know things, and I try to associate myself with those types of people. I tend to have more in common with them and actual debate can take place. I don't have a common frame of reference with people who believe in fairy tales, and when someone cites Charles Poloquin as a reputable source, then I know that they must believe in fairy tales too.

what a load of crap

Man, I thought I'd be the one to get banned.

dude i made money out of internet marketing for 6 months last year i know all about the 'self help' gurus, the pick up masters, the fitness experts trust me

No I don't trust you. I also think I might have a bit more of an insight into the fitness experts. Just saying now. I owuldn't want to come across as elitist as I know I should play nice.

there is a serious amount of bull**** marketing hype surrounding every product on the planet, the trick is to see past and objectively decide if you should buy that product, subscribe to that service or listen to that persons advice

Just to clear up then... you have the ability to filter all of this out? Regardless of what field it's in? What about if it's outright lies?

john berardi is a prime example, his websites follow the same internet marketing, sell as many electronic copies as you can formula, as the pick up artist websites do. that dosnt mean he is any less of an expert in his field and his advice is any less valuable, it just means he is smart and likes to make as much money as possible.

There's a massive difference between Ferris and John Brerardi. Mein Kampf and War and Peace are both on Amazon, so what?

if your convinced you know it all and can do it all on your own more power to you go for it, im sure you will be very successful, that dosnt mean that researching interests and trying to find ways to improve yourself is somehow wrong or something not worth the time.

You see here's the point, and I'm always wary of doing this because I know some people have businesses here and I don't want to piss on that. But reading a self help book isn't research. I can do up a recommended book list for people genuinely interested in research. This book, along with all of the other horse**** is yet another quick fix book. "No don't listen to him, I'M the solution to your problems, and I can do it faster". Anyone who knows anything about fitness does not need a book like this, and anyone who wants to know anything should read better material.

and if you debating on the internet usually leads to you getting banned i suggest you try this i only have two copies left though and they are selling fast so get them at this ridicolously low price while you can

http://www.amazon.com/Anger-Management-Dummies-Doyle-Gentry/dp/0470037156/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1292883747&sr=8-3

I've read that one and I went and puched the author in the face for being so condescending.

PeakOutput

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Here we go again. Just keep your fingers on the ban button.No, I didn't say that, I said we didn't have a common frame of reference. You see I'm used to seeing people who know what they're doing day after day and who pass on good advice, or ask good questions because they know they don't know things, and I try to associate myself with those types of people. I tend to have more in common with them and actual debate can take place. I don't have a common frame of reference with people who believe in fairy tales, and when someone cites Charles Poloquin as a reputable source, then I know that they must believe in fairy tales too.

so is it the marketing claims that are fairytales or everything thats in these things?

No I don't trust you. I also think I might have a bit more of an insight into the fitness experts. Just saying now. I owuldn't want to come across as elitist as I know I should play nice.

you can come across anyway you want dosnt bother me, all those things i mentioned should be in quotes i guess a better way to put it would be i know all about the 'internet experts'

Just to clear up then... you have the ability to filter all of this out? Regardless of what field it's in? What about if it's outright lies?

i have the ability to do the ressearch to filter out the chaf, coming on here for example, to ask people i know are relative fitness experts about a fitness books and its claims, is not really rocket science.

unless the topic is extremely complicated (which lets face it, fitness isnt) its pretty easy to find out over the course of a few days what is marketing hype and what is grounded in some sort of fact

There's a massive difference between Ferris and John Brerardi.

yep there is but they both use the same tricks to get the uninformed persons money

You see here's the point, and I'm always wary of doing this because I know some people have businesses here and I don't want to piss on that. But reading a self help book isn't research.

coming across one in the course of your research is though

I can do up a recommended book list for people genuinely interested in research. This book, along with all of the other horse**** is yet another quick fix book.

absolutely but if you know that going and dont expect a quick fix then but some helpful nuggets of information whats the problem?

I've read that one and I went and puched the author in the face for being so condescending.

that was mature

Barry.Oglesby

PeakOutput wrote: »

so is it the marketing claims that are fairytales or everything thats in these things?

This is what I mean by common frame of reference, but depsite you not being very polite to me, I'll be polite and take a minute or two to explain something to you. Chalrles Poloquin crica 1998 was a reputable S&C coach/writer of articles (mainly the latter) who dispensed quality information. Since then, he has thouroughly embraced the marketing machine and churned out endless crap that both feeds into his own legend and misleads people. He hasn't written or trained anything or anyone of worth in a decade. But he's made a ****load of money so I suppose by his standards he's succesful. Now if you're an industry professional, and you can't see through that, then you are either one of his brainwashees or you lack a proper education in these matters.

you can come across anyway you want dosnt bother me, all those things i mentioned should be in quotes i guess a better way to put it would be i know all about the 'internet experts'

Clearly the fact that I said we didn't have a common frame of reference bothered you.

i have the ability to do the ressearch to filter out the chaf, coming on here for example, to ask people i know are relative fitness experts about a fitness books and its claims, is not really rocket science.

I've highlighted the relevant word. Some people on here are only a page ahead of you but are teaching the course.

unless the topic is extremely complicated (which lets face it, fitness isnt) its pretty easy to find out over the course of a few days what is marketing hype and what is grounded in some sort of fact

You're entirely right, it's not, so when people come out with spurious quasi-scientific claims to imply they've complicated it, then I am dubious. And everything can be "grounded" in some sort of fact and then manipulated by clever writing and marketting.

coming across one in the course of your research is though

Why would proper research lead you to Amazon? I have a vision where everyone did what I and every coach I respect has done- educate themselves through a good course and then apprentice themselves to someone who really knows what they're doing. It doesn't involve reading self help books.

absolutely but if you know that going and dont expect a quick fix then but some helpful nuggets of information whats the problem?

Again, why would you need a scaldy self help book if you "know what's going on" already.

that was mature

Thanks. I should probably point out that I didn't actually read the book, or swim the Atlantic to punch him in the nose. So maybe the immaturity was me imagining that I read the book and then punched him in the nose.

The people worth listening to, really listening to, don't spend their time writing books in their 20s and early 30s because they're too busy working with actual athletes. I could make you a second list of "references" who the author should have "consulted" with. But if he had then nobody would buy the book because these guys don't have blogs and don't have the time to go on forums. Sure I only have the time this morning because 2 of my fighters are snowed in.

This is actually an exercise in holding my tongue for me believe it or not.

I suggest everyone here reads the book - not from front to back - but as Tim says, treat it like a buffet and read chapters that are of interest. Then we can all come back and genuinely slate/praise this guy.

Transform

Deleted User wrote: »

I suggest everyone here reads the book - not from front to back - but as Tim says, treat it like a buffet and read chapters that are of interest. Then we can all come back and genuinely slate/praise this guy.

toally agree - let people make up their own mind.


I have much respect for the middle aged lady that teaches my 60yr old mum her salsa class and Curves class because it gets her off the sofa and that's all she is prepared to do despite all my best efforts. I dont really care that the lady teaching her is not a world class trainer and deals with athletes all day. I care that she keeps it up and has now a support group of friends that she can meet with.

The vast majority of people out there need to learn to move their butt much more and sort out their diet and if this book attracts a few more people into doing that then I for one am all for that.

Barry.Oglesby

Transform wrote: »

toally agree - let people make up their own mind.

The point is that people lack the necessary frame of reference to make up their own mind. You could tell me literally anything about what it's like to walk on the moon and I'd have to believe you because I have no frame of reference for that experience.

I have much respect for the middle aged lady that teaches my 60yr old mum her salsa class and Curves class because it gets her off the sofa and that's all she is prepared to do despite all my best efforts. I dont really care that the lady teaching her is not a world class trainer and deals with athletes all day. I care that she keeps it up and has now a support group of friends that she can meet with.

That sounds great, and there are many ways to exercise and enjoy yourself, most of which would not meet with the approval of people on this forum.

The vast majority of people out there need to learn to move their butt much more and sort out their diet and if this book attracts a few more people into doing that then I for one am all for that.

You're typing a lot but saying nothing. Who can disagree with a statement like "if it helps just one person"? So let's look at it another way. How many people will buy this as a quick fix, attempt it, fail, and then just keep going back to buy yet another book? And another, and another. These are quick fix manuals. I guarantee that most people who own these sort of "get ripped in 7 days" type of books can look at their book shelves and see loads more of them.

Once again I'm holding back for the sake of moderation and not getting banned but there's more to this. But if this post helps just one person understand what I'm saying, then it will have been worth it.

Transform

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

The point is that people lack the necessary frame of reference to make up their own mind. You could tell me literally anything about what it's like to walk on the moon and I'd have to believe you because I have no frame of reference for that experience.

That sounds great, and there are many ways to exercise and enjoy yourself, most of which would not meet with the approval of people on this forum.
You're typing a lot but saying nothing. Who can disagree with a statement like "if it helps just one person"? So let's look at it another way. How many people will buy this as a quick fix, attempt it, fail, and then just keep going back to buy yet another book? And another, and another. These are quick fix manuals. I guarantee that most people who own these sort of "get ripped in 7 days" type of books can look at their book shelves and see loads more of them.

Once again I'm holding back for the sake of moderation and not getting banned but there's more to this. But if this post helps just one person understand what I'm saying, then it will have been worth it.

I'm not looking for agreement or disagreement I am just stating how i feel about the book, training in general and making simple points all based on my practical experience.

If someone loves yoga, pilates, the Wii etc then great and i think many people on this forum would approve of ANY form of exercise regarless of how its done. It may not always be ideal and this book is not going to solve the obesity epidemic but many people start and continue all sorts of activities that help them to stay healthy on the back of even a magazine article or maybe even a tread on this very forum e.g. I did a marathon (3.12mins) on the back of Dean Karnazes book

I have learned to refrain from many posts on boards that turn into heated discussions and when people feel like they have to 'hold back' so best of luck to you and hope all is going great for you and your work.

PeakOutput

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

This is what I mean by common frame of reference, but depsite you not being very polite to me, I'll be polite and take a minute or two to explain something to you.

i think you need to lighten up iv been perfectly polite

Now if you're an industry professional

i never said i was

Clearly the fact that I said we didn't have a common frame of reference bothered you.

not really just like i saud at the time i thought it was a cop out

Thanks. I should probably point out that I didn't actually read the book, or swim the Atlantic to punch him in the nose. So maybe the immaturity was me imagining that I read the book and then punched him in the nose.

i did realise you were joking unfortunately i dont think you realised how i meant the link to amazon in a lighthearted way

So let's look at it another way. How many people will buy this as a quick fix, attempt it, fail, and then just keep going back to buy yet another book?

well thats life, i dont have a problem with someone taking advantage of stupidity

anyway if you have to hold your tongue that badly i must have riled you up unintentionally, when people read my posts they should generally imagine me saying everything with a smile on my face enjoying the bit of debate and not an angry i know better then you and im going to go to all lengths to make sure you know it face