THE COACHING CAROUSEL BEGINS 2011

spiralism

Chucky the tree wrote: »

If Cable goes it will be down to the us making Hue Jackson head coach. Hue has been linked with the HC job with Cincy and Denver, Al would rather lose Cable then Jackson.

you'd want to think that's the case but imo Cable certainly earned another year with the team and Al needs to know you have to have stability at the coaching position

Chucky the tree

spiralism wrote: »

you'd want to think that's the case but imo Cable certainly earned another year with the team and Al needs to know you have to have stability at the coaching position

He's out of contract though, I don't think giving him a 1 year contract is wise and does he deserve another 2 years? Possbily but letting him go isn't the craziest thing in the world.

Peyton Manning

Mangini is gone.

spiralism

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Mangini is gone.

...and so, "black monday" begins. cable and sparano expected to get the boot in the coming hours

john fox is also gone

neilster

Chucky the tree wrote: »

If Cable goes it will be down to the us making Hue Jackson head coach. Hue has been linked with the HC job with Cincy and Denver, Al would rather lose Cable then Jackson.

agree with this for once Crazy Al is not behaving strange , Cable has made them tougher but thisis more about the availability of Jackson to be Head Coach than losing Cable

Whoever ran the draft should definitely keep their job as if the draft were redone 4 out of 32 in first round would be Raiders

neilster

feelingstressed wrote: »

I reckoned this last month and Jason La Confora from NFL Network, a Baltimore native seems to have more info from his twitter account



Yeah, I can see it happening.
Billick wants a head coaching job and it seems he was a bit put out he wasn't considered for the Bills job a year ago.
There are any number of teams in the NFL who would snap up Marvin Lewis as defensive coordinator, the DC of the Superbowl winning 2000 Ravens defence.

This is still rumour mill category but it's something I see happening

Billick started his career with Bill Walsh at the 49'ers as a graduate

Harbaugh is from the Elway / Stanford /Luck family tree ....he has just been made GM in Denver , Harbaugh will have first choice on this

Marty Mohrinweg is from the 49ers / Walsh family tree and maybe a candidate but he is also from the 49ers/ Walshe / Reid /Childress / Holmgren / Gruden family tree and Gruden /Chilly / Reid / Mohrineg/ Holmgren share one particular thing in common Mr 3% Bob DeMonte the agent for all 5

In any other year most people would see the Browns as a career killer but with the steady hand of Holmgren and a reasonable draft with McCoy , there may be more to work with ....Zimmer is close to a cert in Cincy ...wouldnt clas as a rumour ...like LFrazier that one

Carolina are going with an assistant NFL coach ...any ideas ...Fox to Miami or Jeff Fisher or Gruden

neilster

neilster wrote: »

Harbaugh is from the Elway / Stanford /Luck family tree ....he has just been made GM in Denver , Harbaugh will have first choice on this

To add to this looks like Harbaugh is leaning to U Michigan job ....and 49ers number 2 is Fisher ...tampering anyone ???...they are seemingly very strong on Fisher and Harbaugh isnt going to take 49ers job

as for denver they want Harbaugh but after that they want a QB guy like Mohrinweg (even tho he isnt on radar he is great with Qbs ...Steve Young ...Vick 2.0

Carolina are thinking Rob Ryan with Zimmer as Plan B

Miami - Sparano is definitely gone

Tenn - Fisher to stay but if not to SanFran

Oakland - Cable out , Jackson in ...HJack to interview in Denver & Cincy

Cleveland - Mohrinweg but if he doesnt take it John Fox fresh after Panthers with Mike McCoy coming in on offense from Denver

neilster

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Dream scenario would be to see Sean McDermott get fired and Marv Lewis come into philly as DC. Granted it would mean a fairly big change in scheme but i think our players actually suit the tampa 2 Def more than our current one.

Billick will be a let down wherever he ends up imo.

Agree with this ....they are a light mobile unit reminiscent of the Colts ...lot of undersized Ends suit moving to LBackers

neilster

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Very surprised by this.

In Jerryworld this isnt surprising ...as a Cowboys fan these are the salient points on this

- JJones wants a HC where he can be GM running draft free agency ...Garrett allows this

- Garrett is the highest paid co-ord in league

- Garrett has performed quite well in the 8 games he had ...5 wins ...three losses all under 1 score ...including a Vicked Philly and New Orleans

-but most importantly Garrett is about as tight with Jones as a subordinate can be ...the families are close ....he is Cowboys through and through as a QB Backup ....

most people thought after Garretts offense spluttered in the first 8 games that Garrett had to really prove to Jones that he could do the job ...i thought the opposite that Jones thought "Jason this is what i have wanted for you and you have always dreamed of and now show me that i am right putting all this faith in you "

Jones will also say that in areas he failed the franchise , the draft of 2009 and 2008 ....Roy Williams ...the failure to update at secondary ...safety ...these will be addressed in the draft and the roster will be purged with people like Alan Ball , possibly Spears and others sacrificed

spiralism

Broncos to interview Mike Mularkey this friday per facebook. Studesville also expected to formally interview the same day. No news re. Harbaugh...

irishbucsfan

If Denver do get Harbaugh, I can see them doing everything in their power to move up to #1 in the draft.

Carolina could stand to make a great deal off them if they want to, and STILL grab a QB like Locker or Mallett or maybe even trade down again for even more and take Newton.

Denver have a top 3 pick don't they?

EDIT: This is assuming Luck declares for the draft this year. Read an article today explaining that Luck is close to finishing his Ma. in Engineering. A Ma. in Engineering from Stanford might be enough to persuade him to wait a year.

neilster

irishbucsfan wrote: »

If Denver do get Harbaugh, I can see them doing everything in their power to move up to #1 in the draft.

Carolina could stand to make a great deal off them if they want to, and STILL grab a QB like Locker or Mallett or maybe even trade down again for even more and take Newton.

Denver have a top 3 pick don't they?

EDIT: This is assuming Luck declares for the draft this year. Read an article today explaining that Luck is close to finishing his Ma. in Engineering. A Ma. in Engineering from Stanford might be enough to persuade him to wait a year.

I think most people now see that Harbaugh being around may determine a lot in the Luck saga , if he goes to Michigan i think Luck declares , i think Harbaugh is going to go elsewhere but in college ranks so i think Luck declares , if Luck declares there is very little chance of Carolina passing him by , they have watched Bradford the only bona-fide in last years draft succeed (by and large) and Clausen fail , they have seen very closely the difference between success and failure and it isnt storing up picks they will do its a franchise QB , the Pats can store up picks cos they have Brady and Steve Spagnolo is a year ahead of Carolina cos he got his QB issue sorted

Newton will not be chosen below Mallett and i think Mallett can slip into the third round (dont rate him and word is he is going down teams draft boards) Locker will go in first along with Newton , If Newton is still on the board at Mike Shanahans pick i can see him in DC

The clear favourite for Denver is Jim Fassell especially with Elway coming in .

The 49ers wanted Harbaugh followed by Gruden in that order but both candidates are very suspicious of the Yorks in San Francisco , they have all but appointed a General Manager before the coach and both those guys would want to know or choose the General manager , both will pass . the Yorks are very high on Jeff Fisher and i can see a trade or picks or something happening , the word is that they are very interested in Fisher if he were available

So now Gruden is now Clevelands favourite (same agent as Holmgren) with John Fox as the PlanB

John Fox is seen as a frontrunner in 2011 to replace Tom Coughlin who is now 65 if he retired as he is favourite of the Mara family


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Stev_o

irishbucsfan wrote: »

If Denver do get Harbaugh, I can see them doing everything in their power to move up to #1 in the draft.

Carolina could stand to make a great deal off them if they want to, and STILL grab a QB like Locker or Mallett or maybe even trade down again for even more and take Newton.

Denver have a top 3 pick don't they?

EDIT: This is assuming Luck declares for the draft this year. Read an article today explaining that Luck is close to finishing his Ma. in Engineering. A Ma. in Engineering from Stanford might be enough to persuade him to wait a year.

If Luck declares and Denver do try to get the number one draft pick surely it will be one of the most bizarre trade stories of the past year or so.

If they were smart they'd keep Orton trade Quinn and pick up some defensive players in the draft. For better or for worse they have to keep Tebow in the squad after investing so much to get him.

Chucky the tree

Tom Cable is definitely out and Hue Jackson is most likely going to be our new Head coach.

Prefab Sprouter

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Tom Cable is definitely out and Hue Jackson is most likely going to be our new Head coach.

Agreed Chucky, thats the way I'm reading it also. But I'm not sure whether its a step in the right direction or not.

irishbucsfan

Stev_o wrote: »

If Luck declares and Denver do try to get the number one draft pick surely it will be one of the most bizarre trade stories of the past year or so.

If they were smart they'd keep Orton trade Quinn and pick up some defensive players in the draft. For better or for worse they have to keep Tebow in the squad after investing so much to get him.

They've already said they'll trade Orton for a 2nd Round pick. That leaves them with Tebow and Quinn on the roster.

I don't think they're necessarilly tied to Tebow right now, especially considering Elway (Stanford man) and perhaps Harbaugh will be coming in. If Harbaugh does come in, that's two Stanford men in charge of the team, both with a lot of experience with Luck this year. Couple that with a top-5 pick and they could quite possibly trade up to the number 1 spot.

It's a better move for Carolina in the long run, they need as many first day picks as they can get.

irishbucsfan

neilster wrote: »

Newton will not be chosen below Mallett and i think Mallett can slip into the third round (dont rate him and word is he is going down teams draft boards) Locker will go in first along with Newton , If Newton is still on the board at Mike Shanahans pick i can see him in DC

I saw Mallett last night for the first time in a while. He looked... terrible.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him fly down teams draft boards. He didn't even look like he could throw the ball.

There are still Ponder, Gabbert, Locker and Newton all available this year.

irishbucsfan

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Tom Cable is definitely out and Hue Jackson is most likely going to be our new Head coach.

Jackson is meeting with the 49ers today, per Schefter.

frostie500

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It's a better move for Carolina in the long run, they need as many first day picks as they can get.

If there's one thing that has become abundantly clear in recent years it's that teams need a franchise QB to win in the NFL. Getting more first day picks might make the team return to mediocrity faster but long term they need a QB

Stev_o

irishbucsfan wrote: »

They've already said they'll trade Orton for a 2nd Round pick. That leaves them with Tebow and Quinn on the roster.

I don't think they're necessarilly tied to Tebow right now, especially considering Elway (Stanford man) and perhaps Harbaugh will be coming in. If Harbaugh does come in, that's two Stanford men in charge of the team, both with a lot of experience with Luck this year. Couple that with a top-5 pick and they could quite possibly trade up to the number 1 spot.

It's a better move for Carolina in the long run, they need as many first day picks as they can get.

They sent off Marshall to Miami and the resulting draft picks plus two other to Baltimore just for a luxury QB who probably has zero market interest if they were to attempt to trade him off. Bringing Luck won't fix their main problem of a diabolical defence though.

Pyjamarama

Stev_o wrote: »

They sent off Marshall to Miami and the resulting draft picks plus two other to Baltimore just for a luxury QB who probably has zero market interest if they were to attempt to trade him off.

I think Tebow actually would have market value if they wanted to trade him. Now there's no way they'd get what they gave up for him but i could see them getting a 2nd and 4th conditional. The Jags should have drafted him and now he's proven he can at least complete a pass in the NFL they'd be crazy not to jump all over him if the offer was there.

Tim Tebow in Jacksonville = sellout games.

On the prospect of Denver trading up to get Luck, every pick has a price. If Carolina felt it was for the better of the franchise to trade the pick they'd do it. I think the thing hurting Denvers chances of this happening is the lack of a top class lineman at the top of the draft. If there was a Ogden/Pace level prospect there carolina could trade down and take the anchor they need to give Clausen some time back there to see if he can make it.

People are so quick to write Clausen off but it's hard to be effective when your line can't block anyone and your receivers don't have time to get open.

Chucky the tree

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Jackson is meeting with the 49ers today, per Schefter.

They had to let him interview, he'll interview and won't be offered the job though.

Stev_o

Pyjamarama wrote: »

I think Tebow actually would have market value if they wanted to trade him. Now there's no way they'd get what they gave up for him but i could see them getting a 2nd and 4th conditional. The Jags should have drafted him and now he's proven he can at least complete a pass in the NFL they'd be crazy not to jump all over him if the offer was there.

Tim Tebow in Jacksonville = sellout games.

On the prospect of Denver trading up to get Luck, every pick has a price. If Carolina felt it was for the better of the franchise to trade the pick they'd do it. I think the thing hurting Denvers chances of this happening is the lack of a top class lineman at the top of the draft. If there was a Ogden/Pace level prospect there carolina could trade down and take the anchor they need to give Clausen some time back there to see if he can make it.

People are so quick to write Clausen off but it's hard to be effective when your line can't block anyone and your receivers don't have time to get open.

And when your true No 1 receiver comes out publicly as says he wants to be number 2

Pyjamarama

Stev_o wrote: »

And when your true No 1 receiver comes out publicly as says he wants to be number 2

Well Green is the clear pick at no.2 (if Luck comes out and if i'm advising him i'd tell him to not be a dope and declare!!!), he's the next Calvin Johnson and he'll be an instant star. I think Carolina would be better to try and bleed two 1st rounders and a 2nd out of Denver or bills for the pick. If they do that they can take Green, work on their Oline early and then try to pick up a true LT in next years draft.

neilster

irishbucsfan wrote: »

If Tom Coughlin is shown the door by NY, then that is where Cowher will go. That defense will be far more enticing to him than the Carolina one.

Mike Pettine is going to get a HC job somewhere eventually, so will Mike Zimmer (probably in Cincy)

I would be very surprised if Garrett gets the job in Dallas. Fisher would be my guess, seems Jones loves him and he needs someone more established in charge to help him sell PSLs/Season Tickets. Garrett is too divisive to do that.

Panthers, I think, will decide between Garrett and Pettine. Pettine is arguably the better coach, but Garrett has shown himself to be a good OC and Carolina will have a shiny new QB. I don't think Cowher will take the job there, despite living in the area.

If I was San Diego, I'd hire Jon Gruden. Personally I don't rate him at all, but SD are arguably the most underachieving team in the NFL, and he proved with the Bucs in 2003 that he can get the most out of teams like that. Give him a 2 year deal, and then get him the hell out before he destroys your team in the long-term.

Charlie Weiss is due a shot as a HC in the NFL if he feels he's done in KC. Don't think he'll be successful. He'd be ideal for the Panthers, but he could go anywhere.

This is going to be a very turbulent off-season, between the NFLPA's bitching and the major coaching turnover we're going to see.

I have to draw on a couple of things you have said here ...i went through a long discourse on your views of Gruden before ...personally your views on Gruden i find to be rubbish but we can agree to disagree but suffice to say a coach who wins a superbowl , two championship games and 5 division titles cant be rubbished in Tampa & Oakland , maybe disliked and i can get that but not rubbished ...Raheem Morris who has shown real promise and has drafted smartly along with Mark Dominik would love the type of rubbish that Gruden serves up...and calling him a 2 year turnaround specialist negates his time in Oakland and takes it out of context

I am a Dallas fan and Garrett will get the job and how would a OC on $3m a year take a role in Charlotte at $2m ...come on ?

As for Giants why not take into account the views of the Tisch and Mara family , the owners who are doing the picking ..they have no relationship with Cowher and really like John Fox who has worked for them ...Cowher may want the G-Men but do they ?


Carolina are going defense Frewell , Rivera & Manuskey ....Rivera for me so Garrett couldnt get this

neilster

irishbucsfan wrote: »

They've already said they'll trade Orton for a 2nd Round pick. That leaves them with Tebow and Quinn on the roster.

I don't think they're necessarilly tied to Tebow right now, especially considering Elway (Stanford man) and perhaps Harbaugh will be coming in. If Harbaugh does come in, that's two Stanford men in charge of the team, both with a lot of experience with Luck this year. Couple that with a top-5 pick and they could quite possibly trade up to the number 1 spot.

It's a better move for Carolina in the long run, they need as many first day picks as they can get.

Luck for a load of reasons including sun Stanford and being young along with Harbaugh will wanna stay in school but there is over $40m reasons why he will declare ...thats how much it will cost him

and there isnt a hope Carolina will pass on him ....just like the Rams last year ...they went through this mental argument about gathering picks and veteran quarterbacks but unless Carolina can find a second coming of Rich Gannon they will do just like the Colts in 1998 .....Steelers in 2004 and the Rams in 2009 they will pick the only real first-class QB in the draft and build a dynasty anything else os rolling a dice

neilster

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Well Green is the clear pick at no.2 (if Luck comes out and if i'm advising him i'd tell him to not be a dope and declare!!!), he's the next Calvin Johnson and he'll be an instant star. I think Carolina would be better to try and bleed two 1st rounders and a 2nd out of Denver or bills for the pick. If they do that they can take Green, work on their Oline early and then try to pick up a true LT in next years draft.

Green will not go at Number 2 he will go to the team next with most need at WR ....the Bengals would be a likely destination at no 4 and with Marv Lewis gone TO and Chad are almost definitely gone so the best WR in the draft will go to them

if the Bungals dont like Green and it can happen (happened with Percy Harvin adn Dez Bryant) it would be Blackmon followed by Julio Jones ...personally Blackmon goes at 6 to Cleveland and Jones at 14 to St Louis

Pyjamarama

neilster wrote: »

Green will not go at Number 2 he will go to the team next with most need at WR ....the Bengals would be a likely destination at no 4 and with Marv Lewis gone TO and Chad are almost definitely gone so the best WR in the draft will go to them

if the Bungals dont like Green and it can happen (happened with Percy Harvin adn Dez Bryant) it would be Blackmon followed by Julio Jones ...personally Blackmon goes at 6 to Cleveland and Jones at 14 to St Louis

Wrong thread for these type of discussions but how and ever...

Do you really think the bills would pass on Green? He is the 2nd best prospect in this draft class by some distance imo. Denver might feel they need to pass on him and feel happy with their wr core but they should look to trade down then because there is no way a team won't be willing to give up something for the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson.

Regardless Green is the 2nd best player in this draft and should be selected by the Broncos if they have the pick. They can trade him afterwards if they want similar to San Diego with Eli.

Stev_o

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Wrong thread for these type of discussions but how and ever...

Do you really think the bills would pass on Green? He is the 2nd best prospect in this draft class by some distance imo. Denver might feel they need to pass on him and feel happy with their wr core but they should look to trade down then because there is no way a team won't be willing to give up something for the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson.

Regardless Green is the 2nd best player in this draft and should be selected by the Broncos if they have the pick. They can trade him afterwards if they want similar to San Diego with Eli.

Bills have a million problems that sadly all can't be solved in the first round of the draft ! It very much depends on what comes their way. If Mallet is available i say they ll take him otherwise they should be trying to get some good defensive players.

Pyjamarama

Stev_o wrote: »

Bills have a million problems that sadly all can't be solved in the first round of the draft ! It very much depends on what comes their way. If Mallet is available i say they ll take him otherwise they should be trying to get some good defensive players.

Don't they have the 3rd pick in the draft?? Mallet will 100% be available then.

I imagine the bills choice will come down to Green, Peterson (who if there are no trades would prob be selected by the Broncos), Fairley or maybe Bowers if he destroys the combine. For me it'd be Green 100% as guys like him just do not come about very often. If Peterson is there it's a tough choice tho but one of them will be gone. Maybe both if Luck doesn't declare.