THE COACHING CAROUSEL BEGINS 2011

neilster

just putting out there with the coaching arena in the NFL , Who is on hot seats who isnt etc I HAVENT INCLUDE THOSE VERY SECURE TO RETURN ...love to hear everybodies views particularly on likely hires




ARIZONA- Whizzy is under contract and reasonably secure , will get to choose his quarterback but 2011 is big year with Fitz looking to maybe move and defensive woes


CAROLINA- John Fox is out of contract and is gone , everyone says Cowher i dont know on that really


DALLAS - my gut says Garrett but possibly Gruden , think Cowher wont trust JJones



HOUSTON- Buzz starting about Cowher to Houston , i think Kubiak needs to win 2 of 3 games ...i think he may be gone


MIAMI - Ross wouldnt stand up for Sparano recently so maybe he might be on the seat , last weeks Jets win helped and they are still playing hard for him , i think he will be back on 2011


CHICAGO - Lovie will get extended


DENVER- People are starting to talk about Fassel , Harbaugh obviously , this might be chucky gruden's best stop ...has anyone thought of Urban Meyer


MINNESOTA - Frazier i think for perm gig



SAN DIEGO - Norv's late late show continues in 2011


CINCINNATI- Marvin is gone i feel .....hard to know who will want Mike Browns terrible ownership


DETROIT - definite signs of progress here , of the bottom 4 teams record-wise in football , Detroit are closest to a better season


JACKSONVILLE - Would be surprised if Del Rio isnt extended here actually , he has Garrard moving in right direction and the last 2 drafts have really delivered diviedends here



OAKLAND- i can see either Cable remaing or Hue jackson promoted ....something will give as ever in Oakland ..as i can see Campbell remaining and Jackson wanting to work with him


SAN FRANCISCO - I cant see Singletary staying , if not harbaugh, Gruden anyone? is there anyone in the NCAA that might tempt the Yorks or will Cowher get the job


TENNESSEE - I could see John Fox here for some reason...not sure on it but maybe a college coach


BUFFALO - Chan gailey has them playing hard and deserves plaudits particularly on the morale front of the team


CLEVELAND - I for one doesnt think Mangini is secure here ....i think they win 2 of 3 games he comes back ....McCoy returning is a big one here ....overall he probably deserves to return but sources within the Browns say he is on hotseat and that isnt a good thing



SEATTLE - Carroll overall deserves to come back , needs a Quarterback though , i can see them making a big play for Kolb


WASHINGTON - Snyder is all in with Shanny & Allen so safe as houses but its a basket-case , has his work cut out , Locker is maybe on the Skins wish-list

mikemac

Makes sense to have one thread

Singletary fired
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d3cf1a/article/singletary-fired-after-49ers-eliminated-from-playoff-contention?module=HP_headlines

SAN FRANCISCO -- Mike Singletary was fired by the San Francisco 49ers on Sunday night after two disappointing seasons, including a 5-10 showing this year for a franchise expected to win the NFC West.

The team made the announcement late Sunday upon returning to the Bay Area, several hours after San Francisco was eliminated from playoff contention with a 25-17 loss at St. Louis. Defensive line coach Jim Tomsula was promoted to interim coach and will run the team in next Sunday's season finale at home against Arizona. He was to be formally introduced in a news conference set for Monday at 3 p.m. ET.

Not sure who would get it but I would expect Brian Billick to apply, just throwing it out there

kev_s88

neilster wrote: »

just putting out there with the coaching arena in the NFL , Who is on hot seats who isnt etc I HAVENT INCLUDE THOSE VERY SECURE TO RETURN ...love to hear everybodies views particularly on likely hires




JACKSONVILLE - Would be surprised if Del Rio isnt extended here actually , he has Garrard moving in right direction and the last 2 drafts have really delivered diviedends here

as a Jags fan i really think we need a change in coach. Del Rio has done good things with this young and developing team. 2 years in a row he's brought them from having no chance to being a contender for playoff/wildcard spot. but as with last year, hes blown it late season again. Dave G has been good this season, but he's not steady enough to bring the Jags to the level we can get to, and neither is Del Rio. also, the 2 great drafts have all been down to GM Gene Smith, not so much with Del Rio.

eagle eye

kev_s88 wrote: »

as a Jags fan i really think we need a change in coach. Del Rio has done good things with this young and developing team. 2 years in a row he's brought them from having no chance to being a contender for playoff/wildcard spot. but as with last year, hes blown it late season again. Dave G has been good this season, but he's not steady enough to bring the Jags to the level we can get to, and neither is Del Rio. also, the 2 great drafts have all been down to GM Gene Smith, not so much with Del Rio.

Ah come on. In all fairness you were missing MJD yesterday which was a huge loss against a terrible run D like the Redskins. Personally I don't rate Garrard at all. He makes too many stupid errors like the one in overtime yesterday. That loss was all on him. I think you need a new QB to reach the next level.

Pyjamarama

Well Singeltary is gone, move should have been made sooner. He'd lost the dressing room months ago.

No idea who will step in there in the off season but if i'm the niners i'd be making a play for Marty Mornhinweg. Reid has a pretty decent record at grooming decent head coaches (Chilly Willy apart).

kev_s88

eagle eye wrote: »

Ah come on. In all fairness you were missing MJD yesterday which was a huge loss against a terrible run D like the Redskins. Personally I don't rate Garrard at all. He makes too many stupid errors like the one in overtime yesterday. That loss was all on him. I think you need a new QB to reach the next level.

i agree with you that we were missing MJD and that did really hurt the team. and that Garrard was been poor these past few games. but you have to admit that when he's good, hes great. obviously we cant rely on that and id love to see them get in a good young QB in the draft.


but at the same time i think that Del Rio is still a major influence in the team that has blown up at the same place 2 years in a row. i mean he's been a mediocre coach his whole career with the Jags. only 2 postseason appearances in 8 seasons is not good enough, especially when we have had very good teams throughout the years. id like to see a change in coach, maybe a more offensively minded HC coming in and exerting a little pressure on the offense. Del Rio and Jim Haslett (DC) have built up a strong defense, but the offense is relatively weak still and it needs to drastically improve, something i dont think can happen under Del Rio

Het-Field

I cannot predict what Jerry Jones is thinking. That would be like the Met trying to predict the weather at the moment. He is well know for being erratic and unpredicitable in his decision making. Thus, Jason Garrett may or may not be the Cowboy's Head Coach next September.

Personally, I would rather Jones plump for somebody else. Although Garrett has enjoyed some decent victories (the most notible being the excellent defeat of the Colts), he has also endured disappointing losses and some inexplicable collapses which have almost resulted in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. The victories against the Colts and the Skins were gained against the backdrop of the concession of 30+ points against both teams. The defeats against the Saints and the Cardinals were copperfastened by individual mistakes owing to mental weakness. The only truly great victory was against the New York Giants, who appear to be a team in freefall.

I think there is a canvass at Dallas for somebody to work with. Save for his injury, I believe Dez Bryant would be a contender for Rookie of the Year. Jon Kitna has impressed all and sundry with his resiliance, and his generally impressive stats for the season (which have been distorted by appalling performances against Green Bay and Arizona (not personally, Marc Columbo must take his fair share of the blame)). David Buehler has proven that he can act as a superb long range kicker with amazing efforts from 54 yards. Tashard Choice, Felix Jones and Marion Barber are three of the best running backs in the game, while the increasing use of Jason Witten has highlighted just how good he can be.

Injuries have wreaked havoc with the season. The loss of Romo can never be as positive thing. Marcus Spears has also been missing, and he has always been a very influential defesive man alongside Demarcus Ware. Suprisingly, I have also come to rue the loss of Flozell Adams, who has flourished since he departed the Dallas scene. The likes of Marion Barber, Roy Williams, and Jon Kitna have also had their respective injury absences Any Coach would have difficulty dealing with such absences.

However, I feel that Garrett's trial run has not been sufficiently successful, and I feel a new face in the Dallas hotseat would be just what the doctor ordered.

Trampas

At Wembley there was a few people from SF beside us and they hated Singeltary and they wanted him out.

I think Singeltary is kind of like Roy Keane. Not great at man management

neilster

Het-Field wrote: »

I cannot predict what Jerry Jones is thinking. That would be like the Met trying to predict the weather at the moment. He is well know for being erratic and unpredicitable in his decision making. Thus, Jason Garrett may or may not be the Cowboy's Head Coach next September.

Personally, I would rather Jones plump for somebody else. Although Garrett has enjoyed some decent victories (the most notible being the excellent defeat of the Colts), he has also endured disappointing losses and some inexplicable collapses which have almost resulted in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. The victories against the Colts and the Skins were gained against the backdrop of the concession of 30+ points against both teams. The defeats against the Saints and the Cardinals were copperfastened by individual mistakes owing to mental weakness. The only truly great victory was against the New York Giants, who appear to be a team in freefall.

I think there is a canvass at Dallas for somebody to work with. Save for his injury, I believe Dez Bryant would be a contender for Rookie of the Year. Jon Kitna has impressed all and sundry with his resiliance, and his generally impressive stats for the season (which have been distorted by appalling performances against Green Bay and Arizona (not personally, Marc Columbo must take his fair share of the blame)). David Buehler has proven that he can act as a superb long range kicker with amazing efforts from 54 yards. Tashard Choice, Felix Jones and Marion Barber are three of the best running backs in the game, while the increasing use of Jason Witten has highlighted just how good he can be.

Injuries have wreaked havoc with the season. The loss of Romo can never be as positive thing. Marcus Spears has also been missing, and he has always been a very influential defesive man alongside Demarcus Ware. Suprisingly, I have also come to rue the loss of Flozell Adams, who has flourished since he departed the Dallas scene. The likes of Marion Barber, Roy Williams, and Jon Kitna have also had their respective injury absences Any Coach would have difficulty dealing with such absences.

However, I feel that Garrett's trial run has not been sufficiently successful, and I feel a new face in the Dallas hotseat would be just what the doctor ordered.

Throughout the Landry, Johnson, Schwartz,Campo, Parcells , Phillips eras JJones has shown some pretty consistent traits so i would totally disagree with the Met example of him being like weather

In an ideal world he wants to make personnel decisions, run the draft and be the General Manager type , bringing in a Parcell type goes against the grain but he does it when he has no choice , has run out of road etc like in 2002 . His appointment of Wade Philiips is classic in this mold , yes it gave him a defensive identity to the team when he needed it thinking he had offense sorted with Garrett who everyone agrees can run a good offense but it is Phillips affability and ability to accept JJones final say on certain issues like personnel etc that was the item no 1 on the selection decision .

This is why when Gruden , Cowher , Fisher , Fox and others available the word in Dallas is that unless there is a last minute change of mind Garrett is getting the job ...i can see a strong head coach favourite who is a co-ordinator being brought on on defense ...like a Ron Rivera type who interviewed well in Dallas in 2007 ...say a co-ordinator on 2-2.5m dollars as a Plan B for JJones

neilster

kev_s88 wrote: »

i agree with you that we were missing MJD and that did really hurt the team. and that Garrard was been poor these past few games. but you have to admit that when he's good, hes great. obviously we cant rely on that and id love to see them get in a good young QB in the draft.


but at the same time i think that Del Rio is still a major influence in the team that has blown up at the same place 2 years in a row. i mean he's been a mediocre coach his whole career with the Jags. only 2 postseason appearances in 8 seasons is not good enough, especially when we have had very good teams throughout the years. id like to see a change in coach, maybe a more offensively minded HC coming in and exerting a little pressure on the offense. Del Rio and Jim Haslett (DC) have built up a strong defense, but the offense is relatively weak still and it needs to drastically improve, something i dont think can happen under Del Rio

I think you may have miscalculated the way the wind is blowing in Jacksonville...i would say DelRio has a very secure hold on the job

the team is a small market team who cant compete in free agency and in 2010 depended on the draft (in a mini-Patriots way)and showed with a young side augmented with journeymen in free agency (im thinking linbacker corps in particular) and MJDrew that they could go quite far

Whilst Garrard can struggle with mental lapses there was no running game at the weeknd which meant that the defense could put extra help in the secondary and pick him off . Garrard and DRio are both back in 2011 and if Luck doesnt declare i cant see JVille chancing a pick of Newton, Mallett and Locker . The Jags only need to look at Clausen , Stafford as cautionary tales for high draft QB picks . Maybe a trade like Kolb or Orton might be an option but i see the Jags using the draft to move forward with picks like 2010 particularly if the coach could snaffle a contract extension

neilster

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Well Singeltary is gone, move should have been made sooner. He'd lost the dressing room months ago.

No idea who will step in there in the off season but if i'm the niners i'd be making a play for Marty Mornhinweg. Reid has a pretty decent record at grooming decent head coaches (Chilly Willy apart).

If Holgren doesnt move for Gruden Marty M would be Plan B in Cleveland

neilster

THE COACHING CAROUSEL BEGINS 2011
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ARIZONA- Whizzy is under contract and reasonably secure , will get to choose his quarterback but 2011 is big year with Fitz looking to maybe move and defensive woes- Whizzy secure here


CAROLINA- John Fox is out of contract and is gone , everyone says Cowher i dont know on that really


DALLAS - my gut says Garrett but possibly Gruden , think Cowher wont trust JJones -Garrett here



HOUSTON- Buzz starting about Cowher to Houston , i think Kubiak needs to win 2 of 3 games ...i think he may be gone - Kubiak goner - Cowher anyone


MIAMI - Ross wouldnt stand up for Sparano recently so maybe he might be on the seat , last weeks Jets win helped and they are still playing hard for him , i think he will be back on 2011- Sparano gone


CHICAGO - Lovie will get extended


DENVER- People are starting to talk about Fassel , Harbaugh obviously , this might be chucky gruden's best stop ...has anyone thought of Urban Meyer- Marty Mohrinweg ? Elway will have input ....Luck could be in Denver as Elway seems to love him with Orton to Charlotte


MINNESOTA - Frazier i think for perm gig-Frazier



SAN DIEGO - Norv's late late show continues in 2011- Norv


CINCINNATI- Marvin is gone i feel .....hard to know who will want Mike Browns terrible ownership- Marv is gone i feel but who comes in ....Carson stays i think


DETROIT - definite signs of progress here , of the bottom 4 teams record-wise in football , Detroit are closest to a better season- coach stays


JACKSONVILLE - Would be surprised if Del Rio isnt extended here actually , he has Garrard moving in right direction and the last 2 drafts have really delivered diviedends here- gets extension



OAKLAND- i can see either Cable remaing or Hue jackson promoted ....something will give as ever in Oakland ..as i can see Campbell remaining and Jackson wanting to work with him- Cable returns


SAN FRANCISCO - I cant see Singletary staying , if not harbaugh, Gruden anyone? is there anyone in the NCAA that might tempt the Yorks or will Cowher get the job- DeBartolo advises what effect that will have ?


TENNESSEE - I could see John Fox here for some reason...not sure on it but maybe a college coach- Kubiak anyone


BUFFALO - Chan gailey has them playing hard and deserves plaudits particularly on the morale front of the team- Chan stays


CLEVELAND - I for one doesnt think Mangini is secure here ....i think they win 2 of 3 games he comes back ....McCoy returning is a big one here ....overall he probably deserves to return but sources within the Browns say he is on hotseat and that isnt a good thing- Gruden or Marty Mohrinweg



SEATTLE - Carroll overall deserves to come back , needs a Quarterback though , i can see them making a big play for Kolb- Carroll returns ...need a QB


WASHINGTON - Snyder is all in with Shanny & Allen so safe as houses but its a basket-case , has his work cut out , Locker is maybe on the Skins wish-list...Shanahan and Bruce Allen rule into 2011

cruiserweight

Michael Lombardi has been interviewed for the 49ers GM position according to Adam Schefter on twitter

49ers president Jed York interviewed former NFL executive Michael Lombardi for two hours late Tuesday night about SF's vacant GM job.

Stev_o

cruiserweight wrote: »

Michael Lombardi has been interviewed for the 49ers GM position according to Adam Schefter on twitter

He has ruled himself out of contention on NFL network today.

irishbucsfan

If Tom Coughlin is shown the door by NY, then that is where Cowher will go. That defense will be far more enticing to him than the Carolina one.

Mike Pettine is going to get a HC job somewhere eventually, so will Mike Zimmer (probably in Cincy)

I would be very surprised if Garrett gets the job in Dallas. Fisher would be my guess, seems Jones loves him and he needs someone more established in charge to help him sell PSLs/Season Tickets. Garrett is too divisive to do that.

Panthers, I think, will decide between Garrett and Pettine. Pettine is arguably the better coach, but Garrett has shown himself to be a good OC and Carolina will have a shiny new QB. I don't think Cowher will take the job there, despite living in the area.

If I was San Diego, I'd hire Jon Gruden. Personally I don't rate him at all, but SD are arguably the most underachieving team in the NFL, and he proved with the Bucs in 2003 that he can get the most out of teams like that. Give him a 2 year deal, and then get him the hell out before he destroys your team in the long-term.

Charlie Weiss is due a shot as a HC in the NFL if he feels he's done in KC. Don't think he'll be successful. He'd be ideal for the Panthers, but he could go anywhere.

This is going to be a very turbulent off-season, between the NFLPA's bitching and the major coaching turnover we're going to see.

mikemac

I reckoned this last month and Jason La Confora from NFL Network, a Baltimore native seems to have more info from his twitter account

Hearing more legit buzz about Brian Billick as head coaching candidate than at any time since his firing by the Ravens. 49ers in particular 1 hour ago via web

Billick has a ring, ties to Bay Area and Bill Walsh family tree, and remains close with Marv Lewis. If Mike Zimmer promoted to Bengals coach 1 hour ago via web

The tandem of Billick and Lewis as his defensive coordinator would get even more traction. I could see that in San Fran. Also expect the... 1 hour ago via web

49ers to take a good look at Philly coordinator Marty Mornhinweg. I still don't see Jim Harbaugh landing there at this point but we'll see 1 hour ago via web

Yeah, I can see it happening.
Billick wants a head coaching job and it seems he was a bit put out he wasn't considered for the Bills job a year ago.
There are any number of teams in the NFL who would snap up Marvin Lewis as defensive coordinator, the DC of the Superbowl winning 2000 Ravens defence.

This is still rumour mill category but it's something I see happening

Billick started his career with Bill Walsh at the 49'ers as a graduate

irishbucsfan

Billick would be a great fit in SF. Especially with Lewis in there. They'd turn that team around IMO.

frostie500

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Charlie Weiss is due a shot as a HC in the NFL if he feels he's done in KC. Don't think he'll be successful. He'd be ideal for the Panthers, but he could go anywhere

Weis is going to need more than one good season as an OC to rebuild his reputation as a head coach after the Notre Dame debacle

Pyjamarama

Dream scenario would be to see Sean McDermott get fired and Marv Lewis come into philly as DC. Granted it would mean a fairly big change in scheme but i think our players actually suit the tampa 2 Def more than our current one.

Billick will be a let down wherever he ends up imo.

irishbucsfan

frostie500 wrote: »

Weis is going to need more than one good season as an OC to rebuild his reputation as a head coach after the Notre Dame debacle

Reports are he'll be with the Gators next season.

Peyton Manning

Garrett has been made full time HC in Dallas.

Peyton Manning

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Reports are he'll be with the Gators next season.

This is also confirmed. He'll leave KC after the playoffs to be OC in Florida.

irishbucsfan

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Garrett has been made full time HC in Dallas.

Very surprised by this.

mikemac

Michael Lombardi reporting on NFL Network that Mangini will be let go next week

Gotta say I think that's harsh.
Things were looking up for the Browns

Peyton Manning

Strange decision alright. Looked like they were making some progress.

Reports also that Kubiak will stay on in Houston.

irishbucsfan

Mike Sherman is supposedly a good shout for the Browns

frostie500

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Strange decision alright. Looked like they were making some progress.

Reports also that Kubiak will stay on in Houston.

If Kubiak stays in Houston what message does that send to the players and fans? There is a huge amount of talent on that team and Kubiak has consistently failed to maximise it. He has been given ample time but has failed to achieve success with the team. It's a shame for him but the simple fact is that he hasnt got it done on the field on a consistent basis.

The Texans have been a good side under him but they have always flattered to deceive, why is there any reason to think that Kubiak will turn it around in 2011

KrustyUCC

Coughlin could be in trouble in NY unless they can get some help from bears and get into playoffs. I think Giants will beat redskins and get to 10-6 which is good enough record but the collapse against Eagles and getting killed in Green Bay was tough to swallow. Turnovers have killed Giants this year. Eli alone has 31. Hard for coaching staff to not get blame

spiralism

Tom Cable likely out in Oakland after today. This has been asked a lot in recent years but wtf is Al Davis doing?!

not only that, word on the street is that Al was so impressed with McDaniels destruction of his hated rival that he's considering interviewing him for coach!

Elway accepts broncos front office position, expected to be VP of football operations, in a role similar to Holmgren or Parcells. Announcement on the job expected in a day or too.

Elway, a stanford alumni, has also contacted Jim Harbaugh, per adam schefter

TheSpecialOne

Tom Cable going is a disgrace! The Raiders have improved rapidly under Cable and were 6-0 in the division this year. Al Davis really is clueless....

Chucky the tree

If Cable goes it will be down to the us making Hue Jackson head coach. Hue has been linked with the HC job with Cincy and Denver, Al would rather lose Cable then Jackson.

spiralism

Chucky the tree wrote: »

If Cable goes it will be down to the us making Hue Jackson head coach. Hue has been linked with the HC job with Cincy and Denver, Al would rather lose Cable then Jackson.

you'd want to think that's the case but imo Cable certainly earned another year with the team and Al needs to know you have to have stability at the coaching position

Chucky the tree

spiralism wrote: »

you'd want to think that's the case but imo Cable certainly earned another year with the team and Al needs to know you have to have stability at the coaching position

He's out of contract though, I don't think giving him a 1 year contract is wise and does he deserve another 2 years? Possbily but letting him go isn't the craziest thing in the world.

Peyton Manning

Mangini is gone.

spiralism

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Mangini is gone.

...and so, "black monday" begins. cable and sparano expected to get the boot in the coming hours

john fox is also gone

neilster

Chucky the tree wrote: »

If Cable goes it will be down to the us making Hue Jackson head coach. Hue has been linked with the HC job with Cincy and Denver, Al would rather lose Cable then Jackson.

agree with this for once Crazy Al is not behaving strange , Cable has made them tougher but thisis more about the availability of Jackson to be Head Coach than losing Cable

Whoever ran the draft should definitely keep their job as if the draft were redone 4 out of 32 in first round would be Raiders

neilster

feelingstressed wrote: »

I reckoned this last month and Jason La Confora from NFL Network, a Baltimore native seems to have more info from his twitter account



Yeah, I can see it happening.
Billick wants a head coaching job and it seems he was a bit put out he wasn't considered for the Bills job a year ago.
There are any number of teams in the NFL who would snap up Marvin Lewis as defensive coordinator, the DC of the Superbowl winning 2000 Ravens defence.

This is still rumour mill category but it's something I see happening

Billick started his career with Bill Walsh at the 49'ers as a graduate

Harbaugh is from the Elway / Stanford /Luck family tree ....he has just been made GM in Denver , Harbaugh will have first choice on this

Marty Mohrinweg is from the 49ers / Walsh family tree and maybe a candidate but he is also from the 49ers/ Walshe / Reid /Childress / Holmgren / Gruden family tree and Gruden /Chilly / Reid / Mohrineg/ Holmgren share one particular thing in common Mr 3% Bob DeMonte the agent for all 5

In any other year most people would see the Browns as a career killer but with the steady hand of Holmgren and a reasonable draft with McCoy , there may be more to work with ....Zimmer is close to a cert in Cincy ...wouldnt clas as a rumour ...like LFrazier that one

Carolina are going with an assistant NFL coach ...any ideas ...Fox to Miami or Jeff Fisher or Gruden

neilster

neilster wrote: »

Harbaugh is from the Elway / Stanford /Luck family tree ....he has just been made GM in Denver , Harbaugh will have first choice on this

To add to this looks like Harbaugh is leaning to U Michigan job ....and 49ers number 2 is Fisher ...tampering anyone ???...they are seemingly very strong on Fisher and Harbaugh isnt going to take 49ers job

as for denver they want Harbaugh but after that they want a QB guy like Mohrinweg (even tho he isnt on radar he is great with Qbs ...Steve Young ...Vick 2.0

Carolina are thinking Rob Ryan with Zimmer as Plan B

Miami - Sparano is definitely gone

Tenn - Fisher to stay but if not to SanFran

Oakland - Cable out , Jackson in ...HJack to interview in Denver & Cincy

Cleveland - Mohrinweg but if he doesnt take it John Fox fresh after Panthers with Mike McCoy coming in on offense from Denver

neilster

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Dream scenario would be to see Sean McDermott get fired and Marv Lewis come into philly as DC. Granted it would mean a fairly big change in scheme but i think our players actually suit the tampa 2 Def more than our current one.

Billick will be a let down wherever he ends up imo.

Agree with this ....they are a light mobile unit reminiscent of the Colts ...lot of undersized Ends suit moving to LBackers

neilster

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Very surprised by this.

In Jerryworld this isnt surprising ...as a Cowboys fan these are the salient points on this

- JJones wants a HC where he can be GM running draft free agency ...Garrett allows this

- Garrett is the highest paid co-ord in league

- Garrett has performed quite well in the 8 games he had ...5 wins ...three losses all under 1 score ...including a Vicked Philly and New Orleans

-but most importantly Garrett is about as tight with Jones as a subordinate can be ...the families are close ....he is Cowboys through and through as a QB Backup ....

most people thought after Garretts offense spluttered in the first 8 games that Garrett had to really prove to Jones that he could do the job ...i thought the opposite that Jones thought "Jason this is what i have wanted for you and you have always dreamed of and now show me that i am right putting all this faith in you "

Jones will also say that in areas he failed the franchise , the draft of 2009 and 2008 ....Roy Williams ...the failure to update at secondary ...safety ...these will be addressed in the draft and the roster will be purged with people like Alan Ball , possibly Spears and others sacrificed

spiralism

Broncos to interview Mike Mularkey this friday per facebook. Studesville also expected to formally interview the same day. No news re. Harbaugh...

irishbucsfan

If Denver do get Harbaugh, I can see them doing everything in their power to move up to #1 in the draft.

Carolina could stand to make a great deal off them if they want to, and STILL grab a QB like Locker or Mallett or maybe even trade down again for even more and take Newton.

Denver have a top 3 pick don't they?

EDIT: This is assuming Luck declares for the draft this year. Read an article today explaining that Luck is close to finishing his Ma. in Engineering. A Ma. in Engineering from Stanford might be enough to persuade him to wait a year.

neilster

irishbucsfan wrote: »

If Denver do get Harbaugh, I can see them doing everything in their power to move up to #1 in the draft.

Carolina could stand to make a great deal off them if they want to, and STILL grab a QB like Locker or Mallett or maybe even trade down again for even more and take Newton.

Denver have a top 3 pick don't they?

EDIT: This is assuming Luck declares for the draft this year. Read an article today explaining that Luck is close to finishing his Ma. in Engineering. A Ma. in Engineering from Stanford might be enough to persuade him to wait a year.

I think most people now see that Harbaugh being around may determine a lot in the Luck saga , if he goes to Michigan i think Luck declares , i think Harbaugh is going to go elsewhere but in college ranks so i think Luck declares , if Luck declares there is very little chance of Carolina passing him by , they have watched Bradford the only bona-fide in last years draft succeed (by and large) and Clausen fail , they have seen very closely the difference between success and failure and it isnt storing up picks they will do its a franchise QB , the Pats can store up picks cos they have Brady and Steve Spagnolo is a year ahead of Carolina cos he got his QB issue sorted

Newton will not be chosen below Mallett and i think Mallett can slip into the third round (dont rate him and word is he is going down teams draft boards) Locker will go in first along with Newton , If Newton is still on the board at Mike Shanahans pick i can see him in DC

The clear favourite for Denver is Jim Fassell especially with Elway coming in .

The 49ers wanted Harbaugh followed by Gruden in that order but both candidates are very suspicious of the Yorks in San Francisco , they have all but appointed a General Manager before the coach and both those guys would want to know or choose the General manager , both will pass . the Yorks are very high on Jeff Fisher and i can see a trade or picks or something happening , the word is that they are very interested in Fisher if he were available

So now Gruden is now Clevelands favourite (same agent as Holmgren) with John Fox as the PlanB

John Fox is seen as a frontrunner in 2011 to replace Tom Coughlin who is now 65 if he retired as he is favourite of the Mara family


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Stev_o

irishbucsfan wrote: »

If Denver do get Harbaugh, I can see them doing everything in their power to move up to #1 in the draft.

Carolina could stand to make a great deal off them if they want to, and STILL grab a QB like Locker or Mallett or maybe even trade down again for even more and take Newton.

Denver have a top 3 pick don't they?

EDIT: This is assuming Luck declares for the draft this year. Read an article today explaining that Luck is close to finishing his Ma. in Engineering. A Ma. in Engineering from Stanford might be enough to persuade him to wait a year.

If Luck declares and Denver do try to get the number one draft pick surely it will be one of the most bizarre trade stories of the past year or so.

If they were smart they'd keep Orton trade Quinn and pick up some defensive players in the draft. For better or for worse they have to keep Tebow in the squad after investing so much to get him.

Chucky the tree

Tom Cable is definitely out and Hue Jackson is most likely going to be our new Head coach.

Prefab Sprouter

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Tom Cable is definitely out and Hue Jackson is most likely going to be our new Head coach.

Agreed Chucky, thats the way I'm reading it also. But I'm not sure whether its a step in the right direction or not.

irishbucsfan

Stev_o wrote: »

If Luck declares and Denver do try to get the number one draft pick surely it will be one of the most bizarre trade stories of the past year or so.

If they were smart they'd keep Orton trade Quinn and pick up some defensive players in the draft. For better or for worse they have to keep Tebow in the squad after investing so much to get him.

They've already said they'll trade Orton for a 2nd Round pick. That leaves them with Tebow and Quinn on the roster.

I don't think they're necessarilly tied to Tebow right now, especially considering Elway (Stanford man) and perhaps Harbaugh will be coming in. If Harbaugh does come in, that's two Stanford men in charge of the team, both with a lot of experience with Luck this year. Couple that with a top-5 pick and they could quite possibly trade up to the number 1 spot.

It's a better move for Carolina in the long run, they need as many first day picks as they can get.

irishbucsfan

neilster wrote: »

Newton will not be chosen below Mallett and i think Mallett can slip into the third round (dont rate him and word is he is going down teams draft boards) Locker will go in first along with Newton , If Newton is still on the board at Mike Shanahans pick i can see him in DC

I saw Mallett last night for the first time in a while. He looked... terrible.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him fly down teams draft boards. He didn't even look like he could throw the ball.

There are still Ponder, Gabbert, Locker and Newton all available this year.

irishbucsfan

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Tom Cable is definitely out and Hue Jackson is most likely going to be our new Head coach.

Jackson is meeting with the 49ers today, per Schefter.

frostie500

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It's a better move for Carolina in the long run, they need as many first day picks as they can get.

If there's one thing that has become abundantly clear in recent years it's that teams need a franchise QB to win in the NFL. Getting more first day picks might make the team return to mediocrity faster but long term they need a QB

Stev_o

irishbucsfan wrote: »

They've already said they'll trade Orton for a 2nd Round pick. That leaves them with Tebow and Quinn on the roster.

I don't think they're necessarilly tied to Tebow right now, especially considering Elway (Stanford man) and perhaps Harbaugh will be coming in. If Harbaugh does come in, that's two Stanford men in charge of the team, both with a lot of experience with Luck this year. Couple that with a top-5 pick and they could quite possibly trade up to the number 1 spot.

It's a better move for Carolina in the long run, they need as many first day picks as they can get.

They sent off Marshall to Miami and the resulting draft picks plus two other to Baltimore just for a luxury QB who probably has zero market interest if they were to attempt to trade him off. Bringing Luck won't fix their main problem of a diabolical defence though.