Professor charged with incest with his daughter

Sugarfree

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337416/David-Epstein-Ivy-League-professor-charged-incest-relationship-daughter.html

A Columbia University professor accused of a three-year sexual relationship with his daughter was charged with incest yesterday.
Political science professor David Epstein, 46, allegedly bedded his 24-year-old daughter between 2006 and 2009.
Epstein, who specialises in American politics and voting rights, is said to have also exchanged twisted text messages with the girl during the consensual relationship.
University spokesman Robert Hornsby said that Epstein 'is now on administrative leave and will not be teaching students'.
The well-liked professor, who has taught at Harvard and Stanford, was married to another lecturer at the Ivy League institution, Sharyn O'Halloran, but the pair recently divorced.
'We ask that everyone remember that he is innocent until proven otherwise and that these allegations are nothing more than allegations,' said Epstein's defence lawyer Matthew Galluzzo.

Epstein, who teaches political science at Ivy League institute Columbia University, allegedly exchanged twisted text messages with the girl during the consensual relationship
Epstein faces up to four years behind bars if convicted.
It is yet another scandal for Columbia University after five of its students were arrested last week for running a drug-dealing ring on campus.
The men, who sold LSD-laced sweets and cocaine, claimed that they needed to do it to pay for tuition fees.

bonerm

Incest or ... Wincest?

Black Swan

Institution of Lower Yearning

thebigbiffo

they were really putting the sensual back in consensual there

prinz

bonerm wrote: »

Incest or ... Wincest?

Dirtbag. Epstein, not you.

Minstrel27

Is the daughter not going to be charged? It takes two to tango.

TanG411

Incest is the best, put your daughter to the test.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

so she was legal and it was consensual?

hang the ****er

Sugarfree

If its consensua*l why isnt she charged?

Tar.Aldarion

women can't do wrong, they just sit there and look pretty.

seamus

Good to know the so-called "Land of the free" still sees fit to judge people for what two consenting adults do in private.

God knows if they didn't make it illegal we'd all be riding our parents right, left and centre. :rolleyes:

It's gross and disgusting and all that. But then so is scat porn.

bonerm

prinz wrote: »

Dirtbag. Epstein, not you.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Now, anyone got pix of the sexy daughter victim?

Dravokivich

Reminds me slightly of the plotline to Tabboo IV.

Tar.Aldarion

seamus wrote: »

Good to know the so-called "Land of the free" still sees fit to judge people for what two consenting adults do in private.

God knows if they didn't make it illegal we'd all be riding our parents right, left and centre. :rolleyes:

It's gross and disgusting and all that. But then so is scat porn.

Yep at the age they started at it's not really the governments business, well into her adult life.

Saila

RobitTV rt... oh no wait

28064212

seamus wrote: »

Good to know the so-called "Land of the free" still sees fit to judge people for what two consenting adults do in private.

The issue is whether or not it is consensual. Is it consensual if he conditioned her over her life? Is it consensual if he abused the fact that he was her parent? There is a responsibility on the person in power in a relationship to not use their position, either explicitly or implicitly. It's why universities have rules against students sleeping with their professors, and businesses will often have regulations around intra-business relationships

Wazdakka

I reserve judgement on weather this man should be punished for his actions until I see a picture of his daughter and determine if she is "well fúckable" or not.

Pherekydes

Two things:

Will he be 'cured' after four years inside?

It is the government's business.

Everything is the Government's business, except what bankers do with their customers' money. I wonder how that works?

mikom

Sugarfree wrote: »

University spokesman Robert Hornsby said

lol

orourkeda

kinky

Wazdakka

Pherekydes wrote: »

Will he be 'cured' after four years inside?

allegedly bedded his 24-year-old daughter between 2006 and 2009

Looks like he was only "inside" for three years...

seamus

28064212 wrote: »

Is it consensual if he abused the fact that he was her parent?

That's irrelevant. She's an adult. We can go on and on about conditioning, but at the end of the day, we've been all "conditioned" one way or another from birth through the influences of the people that we grow up with, but once you become an adult, everything you do is your responsibility. You can explain your actions by looking at your upbringing, but they're still your actions, your responsibility.

Even if her father gave her a lecture every night about how she was to grow up to marry him, it's still consensual because she's an adult and she gave consent. To consider it any other way goes down the road of absolving everyone from all blame because that's how they were conditioned.

Assuming that she was "conditioned", perhaps he was "conditioned" equally by his parents, and we should be putting his great-great-great-great-grandfather on trial for starting the whole cycle.

No, fnck that. An adult is an adult. Otherwise you could claim that any relationship where one person is ten years old than the other and they've known eachother since before the younger was legal, is down to "conditioning".

Pherekydes

Wazdakka wrote: »

Looks like he was only "inside" for three years...

Do the Math!

2006, 2007, 2008, 2009. Four years!

28064212

seamus wrote: »

That's irrelevant. She's an adult. We can go on and on about conditioning, but at the end of the day, we've been all "conditioned" one way or another from birth through the influences of the people that we grow up with, but once you become an adult, everything you do is your responsibility. You can explain your actions by looking at your upbringing, but they're still your actions, your responsibility.

Even if her father gave her a lecture every night about how she was to grow up to marry him, it's still consensual because she's an adult and she gave consent. To consider it any other way goes down the road of absolving everyone from all blame because that's how they were conditioned.

Two words: Josef Fritzl

seamus wrote: »

No, fnck that. An adult is an adult. Otherwise you could claim that any relationship where one person is ten years old than the other and they've known eachother since before the younger was legal, is down to "conditioning".

I'm not saying he's guilty. I'm saying that there is a case to answer, and that if he's found to have abused his power, he should be punished

prinz

seamus wrote: »

That's irrelevant.

When it comes to the law it's very much relevant fortunately/unfortunately. The laws that are there exist as such to protect the vulnerable. It doesn't always apply but generally speaking it is for the best to assume one party has been in a weaker position and argue against that, than to assume both parties were on an equal footing to begin with, which could see much more serious crimes go unpunished.

Epstein could go to the US Supreme Court with this one and could succeed in having it ruled unconstitutional.

Wazdakka

Pherekydes wrote: »

Do the Math!

2006, 2007, 2008, 2009. Four years!

Fair enough.. assuming that he was in fact nailing his daughter from Jan 1st 2006 until Dec31st 2009.
However the article states that it was "between 2006 and 2009" which i would take to mean a period that is more likely to be on the favourable side of three years not four..

Now might I seriously suggest that you find a hobby sir.
Having, and taking the time to pick apart somebody's half assed joke in a thread about incest would be one of those things that make me think I'm wasting my life.

jimthemental

Lads I think I might get sick after reading this thread. Delighted though that AH has no holier than thou poster in here yet!

seamus

28064212 wrote: »

Two words: Josef Fritzl

....
How does that even remotely link to this case? He locked her in an underground basement and raped her. The big difference there is consent.

I'm not saying he's guilty. I'm saying that there is a case to answer, and that if he's found to have abused his power, he should be punished

Impossible to prove tbh. Any psychologists investigating and interviewing the daughter will skew any possibility of a subjective analysis by suggesting to her that she has been conditioned and asking her about her childhood.

Pherekydes

28064212 wrote: »

Two words: Josef Fritzl

I don't think that was a consensual case.

seamus

prinz wrote: »

than to assume both parties were on an equal footing to begin with, which could see much more serious crimes go unpunished.

Thankfully our laws (and probably the U.S. too) assume that both parties are equal (as is possible).

The problem here is that because the concept of incest is vile to most of us, then we believe there must be a "weaker" party in the agreement, spurred on by a "corruptor". Homosexual activity and as I mention above, things like scat porn and the like, I would equally find very distasteful, but I don't at any stage consider that one or more parties are being co-erced into doing it.

I don't really understand why incest, by virtue of being taboo, is automatically believed to be a crime where one party has been forced to do something against their will.

phill106

Pherekydes wrote: »

I don't think that was a consensual case.

she said no no no but a 30 foot dungeon says yes yes yes