click values

emcor

I am a hunter. Some new ground means a longer shot out to 500M. I shoot a .270 with 140grain ammo. Its zeroed at 200M and I want to keep it at that. Got a good ballistics programme from PCB ballistics but need to confirm my click value. Scope is a 10 x 42 Schmidt Bender, was on the website but couldent see it. seem to remember 1 click is 1/4 inch @ 100M but need confirmation before wasting some good ammo finding out... any suggestions ?

bunny shooter

Taking shots at 500 yards while hunting is taking the piss IMHO :rolleyes:

It wasn't me!

It's a very long shot under field conditions. Being able to print nice four inch groups at 500 yards on the range is one thing, but try run up a hill, then make the best of a crap rest and cramped shooting position and you might find yourself stretched, to say the least. Personally I'd have 400 as my limit, and 300 as preferable, and would consider anything over 300 a long shot. The .270 is nice for the job as it's flat enough that at 400 yards it's dropping about 20-odd inches from your 200 yard zero. On a fallow-sized animal, that's holding just over the line of his back (And I'd advise holding over as it's faster, and especially if you're using a typical scope with hunting turrets, unscrewing caps, not having a useful reference, then having to make the shot, too much to go wrong in my mind) which is still a useful sight picture. At 500 yards, it's more like 40-odd inches of drop, which is a lot harder to visualise when you're well over the animal. It's also tough to read the wind right at that range. Finally, one absolutely vital reason to keep the shots well within your comfort zone is following them up. If you've practised to the extent you can make a shot at five hundred yards, what happens when the deer turns forty five degrees between you making the call and the bullet reaching him? You've broken the onside shoulder and done no damage to the vitals. How do you follow that up because immediately, he's well out of your range of comfort and you're guessing at your holdover and winds after that. Practise for the long, long shots, then try keep them all to well within that. That way, when eventually something goes wrong on a three or four hundred yard shot and the next time you get a chance at him is at five hundred, well, you know exactly how to pull it off. That's just me though. Everyone has different limits.

Cass

The 10X42 S&B scope is the PMII model? I think.

If i'm not mistaken, and it has been known to happen, i think it is a 1cm click value. I know the 5-25 PMII (Target model) is 0.25" click value, but as said i'm nearly sure the model you are refering to is 1cm per click.

Thats 5 clicks per 2" at 100 MTRs.

Metric, eh. :rolleyes:





EDIT - It this the model.

sikastag

+1 IWM. Good Post.

emcor

Thanks guys for all the info. Model is not PMII its the classik 10 x 42 - a great scope but does not have the tactical turrets... I am pretty sure its 1/4 inch @ 100M. Plan would be to dial up range for that area and reset when finished - so if anyone can finally confirm it may save me some ammo.

On the ethical stuff the situation (not that I should have to explain) I have is a shot from 450 to just under 500. Its well rested from a blind on a hill shooting down (about 5 degrees) to where a run comes out to an open grazing spot. Cannot stalk in cause its wide open. And reason I'm looking for click values is to get set up 4 it - and test this setup on targets long before commititng to an animal.


A well calcuated & rested shot on a relaxed animal - Is this worse than some guys I've witnessed 'stalking' taking snap shots off hand at frightened deer 50 meters away and all the mess that can lead to..... ? We have a real perception problem in this country with shooting at longer ranges. This is not so in countries where there is a lot more hunting experiance, NZ,Nordic, Canada. More focused attention on your equipment, its capabilities & limitations together with a lot of practice shots beyond 500M can be routine. I really recommend the PCB ballistics programme for anyone thinking of going long - its a great prompt tool.

Cass

emcor wrote: »

Model is not PMII its the classik 10 x 42 - a great scope but does not have the tactical turrets... I am pretty sure its 1/4 inch @ 100M.

You said the S&B website has no info, but try here. It also says 1cm @ 100 mtrs.

emcor

ezridax wrote: »

You said the S&B website has no info, but try here. It also says 1cm @ 100 mtrs.

- Sound for that; couldent get that from the S&B site at all.

Cass

I don't know a huge amount about the S&B scopes. Out of interest does it not say something on the turret, under the turret cap. Most scopes have the click value marked on the turrets.

Tackleberrywho

emcor wrote: »

I am a hunter. Some new ground means a longer shot out to 500M. I shoot a .270 with 140grain ammo. Its zeroed at 200M and I want to keep it at that. Got a good ballistics programme from PCB ballistics but need to confirm my click value. Scope is a 10 x 42 Schmidt Bender, was on the website but couldent see it. seem to remember 1 click is 1/4 inch @ 100M but need confirmation before wasting some good ammo finding out... any suggestions ?

What do you intend to shoot @500??

FISMA

bunny shooter wrote: »

Taking shots at 500 yards while hunting is taking the piss IMHO :rolleyes:

If you can take a bunny at 200 or 300, then why not a deer at 400 or 500ya? Especially, after seeing what Tackleberry did at 292ya to Thumper :-)

If my calculations are close, the angle subtended by both, broadside, bunny at 200ya and deer at 500ya are close to the same value. Definitely, within an order of magnitude.

With some sticks, kneeling, or sitting, a 200 or 300ya shot on a deer should be a drop shot.

Do you rattle, grunt, or otherwise try and bring him in? It never amazes me how close I can get some of the bigger bucks to come in for a fight.

Don't know if the OP is hunting here or abroad. An elk at 500ya, huge target. There's also plenty of game that if you cannot take a 400ya shot, then stay at home.

Here's one fella that comes to mind.

Sparks

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