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Why are the mods here like this?

  • 09-12-2010 3:52pm
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭


    I run my own forum and have a few moderators, and have always made an effort to keep it all low-key. None of the mods have user titles or anything, and many of the newer members don't even know who the mods are.

    On here however, there seem to be a number of mods who feel the need to shout about it all the time. Ending posts with /MOD YEH IM A MOD BTW DID I MENTION IM A MOD!!, even when absolutely nobody has stepped out of line in a thread some of them will still feel the need to wade in and announce that they are a mod and will ban anyone who breaks the rules.

    I know what these positions of 'authority' can do to certain people, and I can understand that many of them might actually have a sense of achievement regarding their mod status, but is it really necessary?
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭IITYWYBMAD


    Can you give some examples? I'm not try to be smart here, but I can't say that I've noticed this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Its seen as bad manners to SHOUT IN A THREAD , ESPECIALLY IN BOLD - so people dont do it.


    So, because threads are often large and there are many posts, people dont often read carefully, and if a mod wants to make an important point that wont be missed they highlight it.

    Its common practice and makes sence to me, so i dont really see the issue as being a problem


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭Fionn MacCool


    IITYWYBMAD wrote: »
    Can you give some examples? I'm not try to be smart here, but I can't say that I've noticed this.
    I don't want it to look as if I have some petty grudge with anyone in particular, I just want to know if people think it's necessary conduct. IMO moderation should be a back-end task and not something you make a song and dance about.
    snyper wrote: »
    Its seen as bad manners to SHOUT IN A THREAD , ESPECIALLY IN BOLD - so people dont do it.


    So, because threads are often large and there are many posts, people dont often read carefully, and if a mod wants to make an important point that wont be missed they highlight it.

    I didn't mean they literally posted in bold capitals. And besides, 9 times out of 10 it isn't an important point they're making, it's just 'HURR I just wanted to remind everyone that I'm a mod'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Posting moderator comments in bold makes them stand out from the rest of the thread and makes a point that this is a moderator's direction as opposed to just the moderator making a normal post on the thread.

    It's not an official thing, but one moderator started doing it a couple of years back and most of us adopted it because it works well.

    Most of the moderation on boards is very low-key. The sheer scale of the forum would be far larger than yours and so you're more likely to see more moderators doing stuff here.

    Also, in fast-moving threads, it can be useful to make moderator actions as visible as possible - e.g. someone posts a joke where it's not appropriate. If the moderator simply removes it, ten other people will come along and make a joke. If the moderator makes a statement about "No jokes" on the thread, then fewer people will post a joke.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,565 ✭✭✭✭Tallon


    IMO moderation should be a back-end task and not something you make a song and dance about.'

    I don't agree, I think it should be in-your-face to a certain degree.

    That being said, on boards, it's not like that, mods have user titles because the site is so large and it is neccessary to see who mods where.

    When a mod posts in bold it generally means they're posting as a mod, where as if it's in standard font, they're posting as users of the site just like everyone else.

    I really don't feel the mods are standing on rooftops about their superpowers...

    Admins, imo, would be the back seat people. Again, with the shear size of the site, the mods are more front line troops.

    How many admins / users do you have on your site?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭Fionn MacCool


    I just find it incredibly sad and pathetic that anyone would feel the need to 'sign off' their posts with yet another reminded that they're a mod.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,565 ✭✭✭✭Tallon


    Can you link to an occasion where this has happened, just for the sake of a mod stating he's a mod please?

    Also, can you answer my previous question?
    How many admins / users do you have on your site?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭Fionn MacCool


    Tallon wrote: »
    Can you link to an occasion where this has happened, just for the sake of a mod stating he's a mod please?
    I can't find the post I was referring to, so let's just treat the situation as a hypothetical one: if it happened, do you think that's necessary?

    Also, can you answer my previous question?
    600 or so, but it's beside the point. Nobody needs to know who the mods are on here. But I can appreciate that for certain people, when they are made mod they will want everyone to know.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    seamus wrote: »
    It's not an official thing, but one moderator started doing it a couple of years back and most of us adopted it because it works well.
    Ye can blame me for this. :o Its my only claim to Boards fame. :D Why? Mostly because of what seamus wrote here;
    Also, in fast-moving threads, it can be useful to make moderator actions as visible as possible - e.g. someone posts a joke where it's not appropriate. If the moderator simply removes it, ten other people will come along and make a joke. If the moderator makes a statement about "No jokes" on the thread, then fewer people will post a joke.
    I would add I started doing it because of what had happened to me as a user. I got a ban because I missed the mod note in the thread. I saw it happen to others too. Nothing to do with the mods being right or wrong, just it was easy to miss, so I didn't want to be a cause of that when I ended up modding. Plus because I tend to actively post in the forums I mod I wanted to make sure people saw a difference and that my non bold posts were just like anyone elses. If a mod doesnt post much in a forum I can see where it would be less needed.
    IITYWYBMAD wrote:
    Can you give some examples? I'm not try to be smart here, but I can't say that I've noticed this.
    Ditto. I can't recall seeing that either. Bit sad if true TBH. As for different modding styles, yea there are IMHO. Some are more "I has the powah" alright, but I can think of only a handful of them TBH and it's not a day to day thing. More a digging in of heels thing if pushed. Boards is a more mod aware site compared to others I frequent. The hierarchy thing seems more valued/disliked/commented upon than others. Meeting peeps from Boards in real life you do tend to get either "oooh you're a mod" or "urgh you're a mod" :) More of the former though, so thats OK.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,565 ✭✭✭✭Tallon


    I can't find the post I was referring to, so let's just treat the situation as a hypothetical one: if it happened, do you think that's necessary?

    Hypotheticaly?

    Do I think a mod should gloat he's a mod in every post, No!

    Do I think this happens on boards, No!

    I'm not being rude, but if it happened, can you provide a link please.
    600 or so, but it's beside the point. Nobody needs to know who the mods are on here. But I can appreciate that for certain people, when they are made mod they will want everyone to know.

    Yes they do, as stated in my post above.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    I didn't mean they literally posted in bold capitals. And besides, 9 times out of 10 it isn't an important point they're making, it's just 'HURR I just wanted to remind everyone that I'm a mod'

    I usually never post in feedback but had to say, I've never seen that, not even once, I've been registered here for 5+ years and what with having no life and all I'm on here pretty much everyday and check about 14 or 15 of the forums, most of the biggest ones and a couple of the smallest. I think it's all in your head to be blunt. You are imagining things, or at least drawing inaccurate conclusions on peoples intentions.

    You're going to have to link examples so we can see how and/or why you are misinterpreting things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Daemos


    seamus wrote: »
    Posting moderator comments in bold makes them stand out from the rest of the thread and makes a point that this is a moderator's direction as opposed to just the moderator making a normal post on the thread.
    This. From the sound of things the mods on your site don't really take part in the discussions, they're only there to moderate. That's not the case on boards, and I'd say there are more threads where moderators have posted than where they haven't. So writing moderarory posts in bold is basically just to point out "I'm posting as a mod, not a regular user"

    But I would like to see an exampe of this so-called 'gloating'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Nobody needs to know who the mods are on here.
    So what happens when a thread gets locked, deleted or moved? How does the poster know who to contact to discuss it?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I can't find the post I was referring to, so let's just treat the situation as a hypothetical one: if it happened, do you think that's necessary?.
    Eh no offence there, but it either happens or it doesn't. I would say hypothetically yes it would be daft, but I'd also say hypothetically that a mod posting wibble wibble wibble every third post would also be daft, but since it hasn't happened...


    600 or so, but it's beside the point.
    Hang on, you have 600 admins with admin permissions and access? How big is this site? 4chan? Even if it was I'd call that a security hole the size of a small planet. Any one of them could bork the site if they had a mind to. Plus there could be issues with privacy IP addresses etc.
    Nobody needs to know who the mods are on here. But I can appreciate that for certain people, when they are made mod they will want everyone to know
    Of course users need to see some sort of flag that shows the thread is being moderated. Otherwise it just looks like users backseating threads. If they dont see them and say posts get deleted how does that work? So to recap, you have 600 admins on your site. How many mods? 6000?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    I can't find the post I was referring to, so let's just treat the situation as a hypothetical one: if it happened, do you think that's necessary?

    Can't exactly give feedback on hypothetical issues in fairness. When it happens or you have examples they can be brought up. But to be honest if it's a personal thing it's best raised with CMods or other mods of that forum.
    600 or so, but it's beside the point. Nobody needs to know who the mods are on here. But I can appreciate that for certain people, when they are made mod they will want everyone to know.

    There are many other ways to see if a user is mod (username is bold, Mod bit in their postbit under the avatar, the list of users at the bottom of the forum).

    Mods participate a lot in their respective fora and can have the craic as much as the rest of us. They post in bold to indicate this is an official post, a moderation post - be it a warning, gentle reminder or an in your face banning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,554 ✭✭✭✭alwaysadub


    I totally agree with mods posting in bold. If i go into a 20 odd page thread, i usually just skim through the pages. If i see something written in bold, it sticks out and i stop to read it.

    I haven't noticed anyone signing off their posts boasting they're a mod. I have seen one mod who ends his posts with "/moderation" when he is posting as a mod. I still wouldn't class that as a boast or a "look at me i'm a mod" thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    I can honestly say I have hardly ever seen any mod on boards sign off their posts stating that they are a mod.

    Yes sometimes we do have to make our selfs heard but that is only as suggested above to prevent another 10 posters breaking the charter or posting something they shouldn't be, and as pointed out we would only use bold to empasise a mod action or request.

    As for mods being known, ever single forum I know has some way of the mods being identified. On boards our names are in bold with our forum identified underneath, how else would you know who to PM if you had an issue and wanted to discuss it privatly.

    Another forum I use the mod names are colour coded, simply to identify if a forum/global mod or admin. Again, so that you know who to PM if wanted to discuss something.

    If I visted your forum OP, how would I know who to contact if I had a post that I felt unfairly edited or deleted?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭Fionn MacCool


    It doesn't really matter if I can provide examples. If you reckon it doesn't happen that's great, I just wanted opinions on if it did happen. Now I can refer to this thread if it ever does!
    irish-stew wrote: »
    If I visted your forum OP, how would I know who to contact if I had a post that I felt unfairly edited or deleted?
    You could post in the Help board.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    I just wanted opinions on if it did happen.
    No, sorry, but you said this:
    On here however, there seem to be a number of mods who feel the need to shout about it all the time. Ending posts with /MOD YEH IM A MOD BTW DID I MENTION IM A MOD!!, even when absolutely nobody has stepped out of line in a thread some of them will still feel the need to wade in and announce that they are a mod and will ban anyone who breaks the rules.
    So you were stating that there are a number of mods making such statements, you seemed quite adamant about it, you didn't request any opinions on whether or not it did happen.
    You could post in the Help board.
    Is this the forum in your signature that has 863 members? Do you actually have 600 mods for a forum with 863 members? Or is it another forum you're talking about?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It doesn't really matter if I can provide examples. If you reckon it doesn't happen that's great, I just wanted opinions on if it did happen. Now I can refer to this thread if it ever does!
    So basically it didn't/doesn't happen, so what was the purpose of this whole thing? Seems a bit daftly circular to me anyway.:confused:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley



    I didn't mean they literally posted in bold capitals. And besides, 9 times out of 10 it isn't an important point they're making, it's just 'HURR I just wanted to remind everyone that I'm a mod'

    Ive learned that 9 times out of 10 when people use that specific statistic, they're making it up and it never tends to be as high as that.

    The "HURR I just wanted to remind everyone that I'm a mod'" anicdote is very subjective based on opinion.

    You might see it as that - most probably dont.

    Im not dismissing you - but its hard to give someone advice or opinion when they have a "i have a friend who knows a friend that might have this problem" type of question with no examples or context to relate or refer to


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭Fionn MacCool


    Wibbs wrote: »
    So basically it didn't/doesn't happen, so what was the purpose of this whole thing? Seems a bit daftly circular to me anyway.:confused:
    Not really, I just cba finding examples so was happy to let the thread continue based on hypothetical ones. As I said, I was just loooking for opinions. If I actually had any complaints about specific people I'd have offered evidence.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭Fionn MacCool


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Hang on, you have 600 admins with admin permissions and access? How big is this site? 4chan? Even if it was I'd call that a security hole the size of a small planet. Any one of them could bork the site if they had a mind to. Plus there could be issues with privacy IP addresses etc.Of course users need to see some sort of flag that shows the thread is being moderated. Otherwise it just looks like users backseating threads. If they dont see them and say posts get deleted how does that work? So to recap, you have 600 admins on your site. How many mods? 6000?

    He asked how many "admin/users" I had. Use a bit of common sense son.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I just find it incredibly sad and pathetic that anyone would feel the need to 'sign off' their posts with yet another reminded that they're a mod.
    Not sure what hypothetical examples you trying to get at. Back 3-4 years ago this might have actually been an issue with "t3h banhammerz" meme. Nowadays the site just has too much traffic and at any moment the **** could hit the fan if a radio personality dies or someone scores off-sides and the site doesn't look for that personality-set anymore to be positioned as moderators.

    When you see someone sign off with /Mod it's not "Oh hey, I'm a mod, respect me and gimme lots thanks plz" It's "I have made this post in my capacity as a Moderator regard it as an instruction". This is the same thing as the typing in bold.
    600 or so, but it's beside the point.
    I presume 600 users registered, and that really is the point, taking into account the Medium and the Format. Message boards are old in their design and while they're scalable to a great degree it's hard to say they were really designed for threads that can literally go 30 posts per minute sometimes. It definitely works in slower capacity when a conversation can be slowly and steadily had over the course of days. But, Boards is much more active than that, it regularly has 3 to 4 times that number of people actively posting on the site in unison. It's like comparing a country road in Montana to the Jersey Turnpike and saying 'gosh, why are there so many cops on this highway?'


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Overheal wrote: »
    I presume 600 users registered, and that really is the point, taking into account the Medium and the Format. Message boards are old in their design and while they're scalable to a great degree it's hard to say they were really designed for threads that can literally go 30 posts per minute sometimes. Boards is much more active than that, it regularly has 3 to 4 times that number of people actively posting on the site in unison. It's like comparing a country road in Montana to the Jersey Turnpike and saying 'gosh, why are there so many cops on this highway?'
    +1

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭Fionn MacCool


    That's fair enough. I can see how some people might rationalise that.

    I wasn't asking for something to be done about it btw, I was just wondering if anyone else found it pathetic. Perhaps though, this wasn't the best area of the site to ask!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I was just wondering if anyone else found it pathetic.
    No. And I only assume you find it that way because you are misinterpreting the intent behind it as self-gratifying.
    Perhaps though, this wasn't the best area of the site to ask!
    Only place to ask, to be fair. This is why this section is set up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 79 ✭✭Carl.Gustav


    Overheal wrote: »
    But, Boards is much more active than that, it regularly has 3 to 4 times that number of people actively posting on the site in unison. It's like comparing a country road in Montana to the Jersey Turnpike and saying 'gosh, why are there so many cops on this highway?'

    There are far bigger sites out there with far less moderation, and any moderation that takes place is invisible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    There are far bigger sites out there with far less moderation, and any moderation that takes place is invisible.
    Yes, like /b/ and the Steampowered Forums, or Battle.net - None of which are really shining examples of places I want to spend my time. On those sites the level of civility is certainly very diminished from what it is here. Lots of back and forth insults, spam, vulgarity, etc.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 79 ✭✭Carl.Gustav


    Overheal wrote: »
    Yes, like /b/ and the Steampowered Forums, or Battle.net - None of which are really shining examples of places I want to spend my time. On those sites the level of civility is certainly very diminished from what it is here. Lots of back and forth insults, spam, vulgarity, etc.

    Indeed so you come here, most other people don't though.

    If whoever runs the site is fine with that and aren't looking for more visitors

    then there isn't an issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Indeed so you come here, most other people don't though.

    If whoever runs the site is fine with that and aren't looking for more visitors

    then there isn't an issue.

    most other? boards.ie moderate the forums to cater for existing members. I regard moderation as a service, one which improves my experience on this site.

    There are alot of new members joining every day and the member community is growing.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    I guess the place is modded tightly in comparison with many discussion sites. However that's the wonder of choice. There are many alternatives available and I use many of them myself from time to time. That said the more hands on moderatorial approach used on boards is more often a positive than it is a negative from my POV.
    Some people choose to post here because of the mods. Some despite the mods. Some people don't give a feck who the mods are or what they do. Perhaps the more loosely moderated forums on boards might suit you better. Or maybe the conduct expected of people who post here is not something you want to partake in. Either way, realistically, I wouldn't expect and kind of drastic changes in how boards works. It's been here a while and is changing all the time however think evolution rather than revolution.
    However usually I find that people stop posting or continue to post based on whether they click with people and the culture here and not because the mods are frequently all up in their grill.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    I actually find it very annoying when mods discuss the mod gig archly on-thread, especially with each other.

    I wouldn't agree, however, that there is an mod conspiracy or that parts of boards don't need a strict hand as they clearly do. From what I can see ( at least in the forums I frequent) the mods do a good job.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    stovelid wrote: »
    I actually find it very annoying when mods discuss the mod gig archly on-thread, especially with each other.
    Ditto.
    I wouldn't agree, however, that there is an mod conspiracy or that parts of boards don't need a strict hand as they clearly do. From what I can see ( at least in the forums I frequent) the mods do a good job.
    Ditto again. Most are really good peeps. Just users in their communities, who like, have an interest in and want to help grow that community and with extra options that can help that. And that's all they should be. It's not a rank or a medal, nor again should be. Mods are here to serve the user experience. Fullstop or Period if one is of an American hue. A couple Ive dealt with over the years I personally think are/were banhammer junkies with notions about themselves and their importance and are/were dug in like ticks by dint of time served, rather than actual quality over time, but they're very much in the minority IME and IMHO. Which considering the amount of mods on this site is pretty bloody good going.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 79 ✭✭Carl.Gustav


    snyper wrote: »
    I regard moderation as a service, one which improves my experience on this site.

    It's a fine line, aparantly others experiences would be improved if references to molesting children was moderated.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It's a fine line,
    And judging by the sites growth a middle has been reached in the majority of cases. Don't get me wrong, I will usually call BS on the "well we're popular, so there" line of thinking. Most times all it means is that critical mass has been reached and people pile on after. Just as much luck as judgement in most cases. But I have to say, having seen it on both sides, having had some issues with some of the guff that can go on that I didn't agree with, I still have faith in the general tenet of this place and still have faith in the vast majority of users, mods, admins and company guys and gals.
    aparantly others experiences would be improved if references to molesting children was moderated.
    Yea I see what you did there.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    I just find it incredibly sad and pathetic that anyone would feel the need to 'sign off' their posts with yet another reminded that they're a mod.
    It would be - if it existed.

    I find it's far more some posters who draw attention to mods being mods, rather than mods doing so themselves. I agree with Wibbs that there has been the occasional mod who got silly notions about themselves (and given the amount of mods site-wide, that's surely inevitable) but other than that, they just seem to do what they're charged with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9



    If whoever runs the site is fine with that and aren't looking for more visitors

    then there isn't an issue.

    Thing is, they are looking for more visitors and the site is growing year on year.

    The site seems to be an issue for you, yet it is a very popular Irish one.

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  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    It doesn't really matter if I can provide examples. If you reckon it doesn't happen that's great, I just wanted opinions on if it did happen. Now I can refer to this thread if it ever does!


    You could post in the Help board.
    Sorry but it DOES matter.

    Reread the subject line of the thread you started.

    IMHO, you should apologise but I won't hold my breath.

    DeV.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    Ending posts with /MOD YEH IM A MOD BTW DID I MENTION IM A MOD!!

    Either link me to examples of what you are talking about or I will consider this nothing more than a rant with no substance.

    As of this morning, we are on our 410,693 member.
    If this place didn't have Mods, the site would be an utter mess.
    Mods do sterling work in keeping the site a pleasure to use.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Fionn, just to give you a little idea of scale and background;

    When you look in terms of traffic - boards.ie has nearly 100,000 people visit the site every day. That kind of sustained (and growing) traffic is testament to the quality of the information on the site, which in turn points to quality moderation. You can look at some other major sites, huge ones, and they're practically unreadable because 90% of their contents are people posting images or "lol" or other irreverant stuff. That does happen here too, but it's much more tightly controlled and largely frowned upon by the members. This provides much higher readability and active moderation is essential to that - new visitors know that things are being looked after and that they're not at the mercy of the wolves.
    I've posted as a newbie on many other forums, and it's easily 50:50 as to whether you'll get a helpful response or a tirade of abuse. Boards.ie is firmly in the former 50% and that's all down to the moderation.

    Background - why do we make moderators so visible? Well, when you've 100,000 people looking at the site every day, you want to direct as few of them as possible to the help desk. Even if 0.1% of visitors had a problem every day, that would be 100 new threads on the helpdesk every day, which would require 2-3 people working full time to address. Or 10-20 part-time administrators, doing nothing else but helpdesk. Instead, we want visitors to figure out themselves what went wrong, or at the very least go directly to the source. If you've a problem with a moderation decision, posting on the helpdesk simply means that the admin has to PM the mod in question. So why not just get the users to PM the mods directly and cut out the middleman?

    No, it wasn't always like that of course. Boards.ie was small too at one stage. It was recognised early on that moderators having a tag under their name is useful. When someone is being told to "Please stay on-topic" on a thread, it's useful for them to see that the person saying it is a moderator, otherwise they're likely to respond with, "Fnck off and mind your own business".

    As boards grew, there were 20 or 30 moderators, but they only moderated particular forums. So when a thread started in AH where you had 10 moderators posting on it, non-mods started feeling a bit oppressed - "I can't argue with the mods, they'll just ban me". So it was recognised that we needed to make it clear to people that moderators only moderated certain fora, and not the entire site. Hence the tags in our profiles saying "Mod: After Hours". This is still a battle we're fighting today, though most people seem to understand the setup now.

    As I posted above, further growth in the site meant that threads could go from 0 to 100 posts in a matter of minutes, which made moderator directions on-thread easy to miss, so Wibbs came up with the idea above, which most of us have adopted.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    seamus wrote: »
    You can look at some other major sites, huge ones, and they're practically unreadable because 90% of their contents are people posting images or "lol" or other irreverant stuff.
    This. The anything goes brigade miss this entirely. "Freedom of speech" BS. Yea great except all it does is drag every single topic down to the ground. You can get away with that freedom on small single focus sites. On big general ones? Forget about it. You even see that here. You rarely see moderation on the small forums with a narrow focus. Somwhere like AH it goes up considerably.
    I've posted as a newbie on many other forums, and it's easily 50:50 as to whether you'll get a helpful response or a tirade of abuse. Boards.ie is firmly in the former 50% and that's all down to the moderation.
    +1 and watch other big forums around the world follow the Boards way rather than the 4chan way. The Wild West phase of the web is passing.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,608 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    irish-stew wrote: »
    I can honestly say I have hardly ever seen any mod on boards sign off their posts stating that they are a mod.
    I frequently put a /mod at the end of posts that are made in a moderator capacity. The reason I do that is that Politics (in particular) attracts a lot of new users who don't know who the forum mods are. Obviously the "Mod: Politics" is there on the left of the post but it's a bit much to expect new users to read the user tags every time they read a post just in case. I started doing it to distinguish the mod posts from the non-mod posts.

    The /mod is there purely to let them know that it's a request there for a reason and it'd be appreciated if they took heed of it. It also tends to avoid extra yellow and red cards being issued. Lately I've been putting some of the mod notices in bold as well as it's more obvious to people in fast-moving threads. Where I put the post in bold or add the /mod line, it's for the benefit of the people posting, nothing more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    sceptre wrote: »
    I frequently put a /mod at the end of posts that are made in a moderator capacity. The reason I do that is that Politics (in particular) attracts a lot of new users who don't know who the forum mods are. Obviously the "Mod: Politics" is there on the left of the post but it's a bit much to expect new users to read the user tags every time they read a post just in case. I started doing it to distinguish the mod posts from the non-mod posts.

    The /mod is there purely to let them know that it's a request there for a reason and it'd be appreciated if they took heed of it. It also tends to avoid extra yellow and red cards being issued. Lately I've been putting some of the mod notices in bold as well as it's more obvious to people in fast-moving threads. Where I put the post in bold or add the /mod line, it's for the benefit of the people posting, nothing more.

    I would do that my self, mod post/warning/edit, but only on a post/theard where there has a been a breech of charter, all the rest of the day I'm a normal poster, weather that be in my own forum, AH, etc etc, and the only thing that identifys me is under my username.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭Fionn MacCool


    lol, that didn't take long http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69493075&postcount=105

    But of course this never happens does it :rolleyes:

    Regardless of whether a moderator is right to intervene (personally I see it as compeltely unneccessary and pathetic that a mod thinks he has to announce himself *in case* someone breaks the rules, rather than when they actually do), all the moderators here have user titles so what is the need to sign off posts with it? Again, I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed, just that it is incredibly sad.

    edit: as if to prove my point, that mod has now banned me from the forum for calling him out on it. Banned for person attacks, despite there being none - or at least none any worse than this moderator calling us "children".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Would you have preferred he just banned you or gave you an infraction straight away? It was a very simple warning, and he added "mod" to clarify that it was a moderator instruction, not him in a user capacity. What's the problem? Do you really think he added mod to make himself feel all-powerful? Without the 'mod' clarification, it can easily be read as just another post, not a warning.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    TBH you'll get banned from nearly every forum here for arguing with a mod instruction on-thread.

    All that post proves is that this mod uses the sign off "Mod" to show they're issuing an instruction (which you questioned) rather than using the non-bold/bold system.

    Hardly lording it over you or being pretentious in any way. I'm struggling to see your point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    edit: as if to prove my point, that mod has now banned me from the forum for calling him out on it. Banned for person attacks, despite there being none - or at least none any worse than this moderator calling us "children".
    Banned for questioning mod decisions on-thread actually, will get you a ban on any forum on boards

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭Fionn MacCool


    I didn't argue, I literally asked which part of the charter we had violated.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭Fionn MacCool


    28064212 wrote: »
    Without the 'mod' clarification, it can easily be read as just another post, not a warning.

    Except it was posted by a moderator, so it clearly was a warning.


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