Scientology , chiropractor connection

MingulayJohnny

Hello , I had a session with a chiropractor recently and it was my first session. While I was waiting for him to process x-rays I noticed charts on the wall. One of the charts was a 'tone scale' with cartoon characters ranging from dark and depressed looking to vibrant and healthy. There was also a psychology chart with L Ron Hubbard's name on it. I'm very wary of Scientology and I checked the charts out online when I got home. Turns out that the Scientology group allegedly targets Chiropractors. I canceled future appointments in case he started hassling me to join up or ask me to do a stress test or something. Has anybody else ever seen these charts on a chiropractor's or alternative therapists wall?.

chin_grin

Funny you should mention this but a certain Chiropractor <I'm not going to mention the area> is giving "stress tests" preceding any/all physical work on the body! I find this extremely weird to be honest.

Pompey Magnus

You were surprised to see a nonsense peddler peddling nonsense?

chin_grin

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

You were surprised to see a nonsense peddler peddling nonsense?

Kind of hit a nerve when while dressed as a woodchuck he chucked some wood very far. Not sure how far though.

fontanalis

Don't go to woo merchants in future.
http://scienceblogs.com/whitecoatunderground/2008/01/why_chiropractic_is_patently_r.php

yeppydeppy

Send me €500 now and I'll fix all your ills with homeopathy and read your stars!

Captain Darling

chin_grin wrote: »

Kind of hit a nerve when while dressed as a woodchuck he chucked some wood very far. Not sure how far though.

I hate to admit i'm not a pheasant plucker, but a pheasant pluckers son.

chin_grin

yeppydeppy wrote: »

Send me €500 now and I'll fix all your ills with homeopathy and read your stars!

PM sent!

dirtyghettokid

YES! i knew a chiropractor in a certain area of dublin that got a bit friendly with a guy i used to know and then tried to get him into scientology. weird!

Lumen

I can understand why chiropractic is increasingly popular in Ireland. It involves the kind of hands-on spiritual healing that is no longer available from the Catholic church.

sink

Chiropractic medicine is an alternate medicine, i.e medicine that either has not been proved to work or proved not to work.

Chiropractics is at the same level as Dianetics (the pshycobabble behind Scientology), it is therefor totally unsurprising to find a practitioner of one also practices the other.

I suggest you go see a qualified Medical doctor such as an orthopedic surgeon.

ScumLord

Lumen wrote: »

I can understand why chiropractic is increasingly popular in Ireland. It involves the kind of hands-on spiritual healing that is no longer available from the Catholic church.

Are you confusing healing with rape?

Dave!

Where did all these skeptics come from?! Randomers using the term 'woo' etc! :eek: I love it!

fontanalis

Dave! wrote: »

Where did all these skeptics come from?! Randomers using the term 'woo' etc! :eek: I love it!

Wonderful term, isn't it? Sometimes I double up and go with woo woo.

El Weirdo

I know of a chiropractor who is, or at least used to be into scientology.

Hardly surprising tbh.

Deus Ex Machina

MingulayJohnny wrote: »

Hello , I had a session with a chiropractor recently and it was my first session. While I was waiting for him to process x-rays I noticed charts on the wall. One of the charts was a 'tone scale' with cartoon characters ranging from dark and depressed looking to vibrant and healthy. There was also a psychology chart with L Ron Hubbard's name on it. I'm very wary of Scientology and I checked the charts out online when I got home. Turns out that the Scientology group allegedly targets Chiropractors. I canceled future appointments in case he started hassling me to join up or ask me to do a stress test or something. Has anybody else ever seen these charts on a chiropractor's or alternative therapists wall?.

He sounds like a quack to me, everyone knows you need to sort out your vertebral subluxations, then and only then can you tackle the thetans ffs.

AnonoBoy

I knew an Egyptian back specialist once but he insisted on being called a Cairopractor.





















Sorry.

Orando Broom

fontanalis wrote: »

Wonderful term, isn't it? Sometimes I double up and go with woo woo.

Careful Dr. Bollocko may misconstrue this word. I go with Juju man myself.

Orando Broom

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I knew an Egyptian back specialist once but he insisted on being called a Cairopractor.























Sorry.

Pharaoh nuff.

Coriolanus

Chiropractors rank somewhere alongside aromatherapists tbh.

Orando Broom

Toothiologists.

Ghost Buster

Whats every ones issue with chiropractors? I went to one last week and he sorted my in -growing toe nail nicely.

spirityboy

MingulayJohnny wrote: »

Has anybody else ever seen these charts on a chiropractor's or alternative therapists wall?.

yep it was in Dublin. was at the gym years ago and there was a one there and as i was having back problems i went and spoke to him and arranged an appointment. Turned up at his office and paid no attention to the posters at first, after appointment 3 or 4 i noticed hubbards name and cancelled any other appointements and when they phoned i told them where to go.

pickarooney

What's the difference between a chiropractor and an osteopath? I googled them but was too lazy to read entire pages of possibly incorrect information so I'd prefer a few lines of more than likely erroneous answers.

Coriolanus

Osteopaths, in the us at least are something analogous to an md. Chiropractors recieve their certification after a weekend course at a hotel conference.

AnonoBoy

What's the ratio of happy endings to chiropractor visits?

Is it close to the level you'd get visiting a masseuse?


This is eh.... for research?

seamus

pickarooney wrote: »

What's the difference between a chiropractor and an osteopath? I googled them but was too lazy to read entire pages of possibly incorrect information so I'd prefer a few lines of more than likely erroneous answers.

Osteopathy is a newish but fairly well respected musculoskeletal treatment discipline which enjoys protected status in the UK. The underlying principle is that treating and taking care of the musculoskelatal system will have an overall benefit on the person's physical and mental well-being. Which I think is a fairly obvious conclusion.

Chiropractic "medicine" on the other hand was founded on the principle that problems with your back are the source of all illness and disease in the body. In other words, "I am the only person who can completely cure you". Another form of voodoo, for all intents and purposes. Anyone can call themselves a chiropractor, it is not a protected term in the UK.

The line is a little blurred these days because most people calling themselves chiropractors have realised the patent nonsense that the discipline was founded upon, so consider it a "therapy". But they still work off the general basis that manipulating someone's spine can fight off colds or ease their cancer suffering.

Nolanger

MingulayJohnny wrote: »

Hello , I had a session with a chiropractor recently and it was my first session.

Is this in Herbert Street?

MingulayJohnny

How may of the people who are skeptical of Chiropractors have actually had any adjustments?. Or tried homeopathy for themselves? , I've challenged two friends to try homeopathy ( my shout ) and they wouldn't do it. Even though there is no possibility of adverse effects. The same people would trust an allopathic doctor with whatever pills he prescribed and take them for years without researching them online or keeping abreast or better treatments whether they be allopathic or 'Alternative'. I've got a big gripe with drugs that are supposed to treat illnesses actually worsening somebody's health because of side effects. I'm not completely anti allopathic medicine but I'd rather maintain my health now with diet and alternative treatments than be reliant on statins and whatever else when I get to my fifties.

I've used homeopathy on a cat with asthma who was on deaths door and it brought her back from the brink. I don't think a cat can register the placebo effect. Maybe I'm wrong.

If you consider yourself a scientific person then you should try it out as an experiment. Go to a registered homeopath , the worse that can happen is nothing!!. But then again most professional skeptics I've ever met are as tight as a frogs a**e and it's more the thought of handing over money that aggravates them :rolleyes:. "Why are you giving money to that quack for? it's just distilled water" , "he's just crunching your bones" etc , etc .I can understand why people would be angry at people making big claims to cure cancer with potions and whatever else. I would suggest that if you are skeptical that you go to a reputable therapist and try whatever your skeptical about out. Experiment. There are dodgy alternative health practitioners out there the same as there are dodgy mechanics and plumbers. News reports often use homeopathy as an umbrella term when something goes wrong when it's usually dodgy herbalists who are acting in ignorance. I remember a story from about 3-4 yrs ago where a person was being treated for cancer by some quack and the news report stated that the treatment was coming from a homeopath when they weren't a homeopath at all.

The chiropractor seemed pretty competent and the information I got from the x-ray has helped me out. The adjustments that he did cleared up some persistent lower back pain. Having looked into it more I'm going to go for rolfing instead as I think it's more subtle and effective than 'hard' adjustments.

In relation to homeopathy the link below is to an article about the challenge put up by the arch debunker James Randi to George Vithoulkas . Make what you will of it. I know it works for me and has improved my health far too much to be a placebo effect.

seamus

MingulayJohnny wrote: »

Even though there is no possibility of adverse effects.

By that logic then, there is no possibility of any effects whatsoever and therefore there's no point in trying it out since it does nothing. A treatment cannot be said to either cure you or do nothing. If it can cure you, then it can also potentially damage you. That's the complexity of biochemistry for you.

I've used homeopathy on a cat with asthma who was on deaths door and it brought her back from the brink. I don't think a cat can register the placebo effect. Maybe I'm wrong.

"Regression to the mean" is the effect you're looking for here. It's what makes people think that homeopathy in particular actually works.

You also have to consider confirmation biase. How many other occassions do you recall you, your cat or another relative taking a homeopathic treatment and seeing no difference whatsoever - or no discernable difference than having done nothing?

If you consider yourself a scientific person then you should try it out as an experiment.

Any person who considers themself "scientific" would conduct a proper experiment rather than some uncontrolled scenario where they buy water off some shyster in a funny-smelling shop. But thankfully others have done that for us, and not only has homeopathy been proven to be snake oil, but there are actual mathematics proving that homeopathic "medicine" is nothing but water.

I'm wary about chiropractic because its fundamental belief (that illness and disease can be traced back to problems with the spine) is based upon a juvenile and plain incorrect understanding of human biochemistry dating from the 19th century.

If chiropractic services had merit, they would stand up to scientific scrutiny and be able to point to a large body of evidence proving that what they do is beneficial to the body and would therefore be able to obtain a protected and registered status.

sensibleken

You think theyre bad. I was at an organic fair a few months ago (yes it was ****) where they were selling lamps that claimed because our brains operate at a different frequency than computer screens and teles our bodys absorb lots of extra....stuff. And the only way to get rid of this stuff was to buy their lamps.

It was one of the only times i laughed in someones face