What would happen if everyone signed on the doll Monday?

chem

Folks what you think would happen? If everyone signed on as a form of protest and signed off an hour later, would it put the country into a tail spin? Or what if everyone with a job, called in sick? Like the Gardai and the Blue flu, afew years back.

The government dont care about the 50,000 on the streets yesterday. All they care about is money and saving face infront of the EU.

Just trying to think of some mass action, that everyone could do, that would send the message to the government :mad:

krudler

would need to be a pretty big doll..

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTDk6wkromLv6e7gAYwf0mKVEz_AeUbozwCY_yWIFxtWTdgOGY1 ?

domkk

Whats the world record for the most number of signatures on a doll?

St._Andalou

We were forced to take an 85-billion-euro bailout by the IMF, all of which goes to our banks who played a significant part in getting us into this mess in the first place.

In return, we punish the poor and the middle classes. Cut min. wage, cut welfare, raise taxes, slash jobs and services.

We also get to pay a hefty interest on that bailout, something like 15% of our tax revenue. The IMF and ECB sharks are loving it, paying themselves millions in bonuses and becoming very wealthy.

There should be anarchy on our streets, really, when you think about it, but not much happens. That march yesterday should have been attended by 500,000 not 50,000.

Max Power1

St._Andalou wrote: »

We were forced to take an 85-billion-euro bailout by the IMF, all of which goes to our banks who play a significant part in getting us into this mess in the first place.

In return, we punish the poor and the middle classes. Cut min. wage, cut welfare, slash jobs and services.

We also get to pay a hefty interest on that bailout, something like 15% of our tax revenue. The IMF and ECB sharks are loving it, paying themselves millions in bonuses and becoming very wealthy.

There should be anarchy on our streets, really, when you think about it, but not much happens. That march yesterday should have been attended by 500,000 not 50,000.

Whats all that got to do with an autographed barbie?


(there are too many recession threads here already lets not turn this into another)

Gary4279

chem wrote: »

Just trying to think of some mass action, that everyone could do, that would send the message to the government :mad:

We'll get our chance in the new year. Lets not **** it up.

xzanti

chem wrote: »

Folks what you think would happen? If everyone signed on as a form of protest and signed off an hour later, :

Sounds like a great idea, I'm sure people would be delighted to queue for hours in the snow..

Pompey Magnus

Gary4279 wrote: »

We'll get our chance in the new year. Lets not **** it up.

It will be a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted, too many numbnuts in this country gave FF free reign to fcuk the place up over the last 15 or so years, its far too late to do anything now except accepting the inevitable.

gaz wac

I bagsy the left boobie...(thats usually the bigger one, yea? )

FlutterinBantam

What would happen if all the wasters and liggards who dole scrounge, whilst doing 'odd-jobs' on the side were forced to look for work and actually attend courses and interviews.?

there's one for ya:rolleyes:

theteal

We could probably fit all the signatures on a stretch armstrong!

Wicklowrider

chem wrote: »

The government dont care about the 50,000 on the streets yesterday. All they care about is money and saving face infront of the EU.

Just trying to think of some mass action, that everyone could do, that would send the message to the government :mad:

I would have liked the leaders of the protest to finish it with an ultimatum to Cowen. Something on the lines of " Meet us before Wednesday or we'll have a quarter of our members walk off the job on Thursday for 24 hours." Follow that with escalations if needed.
Its late in the day - IMO stoppages would have solved a lot 2 years ago. at least we'd have been taken seriously. Better late than never and if my family and I need to suffer I'd rather have some say and action in it.

highlydebased

You cant just go sign on just like that. If anything, it would just cause a massive queue.

mikemac

Wicklowrider wrote: »

I would have liked the leaders of the protest to finish it with an ultimatum to Cowen. Something on the lines of " Meet us before Wednesday or we'll have a quarter of our members walk off the job on Thursday for 24 hours." Follow that with escalations if needed.
.

"What do we want?"
"General strike"
That was the call from the crowd when David Begg was on stage

I wonder if the unions have enough money set aside for strike pay though

chem

I can tell you as a fact, that the government has bought tear gas as it expects that the Gardai will have to use it.:(

Poor Uncle Tom

Dempo1

krudler wrote: »

would need to be a pretty big doll..

LOL:D

ejmaztec

chem wrote: »

I can tell you as a fact, that the government has bought tear gas as it expects that the Gardai will have to use it.:(

That's another waste as we've all been crying non-stop for the last two or three years anyway.

Mark200

Wicklowrider wrote: »

I would have liked the leaders of the protest to finish it with an ultimatum to Cowen. Something on the lines of " Meet us before Wednesday or we'll have a quarter of our members walk off the job on Thursday for 24 hours." Follow that with escalations if needed.
Its late in the day - IMO stoppages would have solved a lot 2 years ago. at least we'd have been taken seriously. Better late than never and if my family and I need to suffer I'd rather have some say and action in it.

Well if I was in Government at the moment and some union guys said that to me, the first thing I'd say would be "If you strike then we're no longer abiding by the Croke Park agreement".

Bill G

Please point to the spot on the doll where Cowen touched you...

amdublin

ooh I want to sign on the doll.

Barbie or sindy?

Poor Uncle Tom

amdublin wrote: »

ooh I want to sign on the doll.

Barbie or sindy?

Wendy...:p

javaboy

amdublin wrote: »

ooh I want to sign on the doll.

Barbie or sindy?

A rag doll actually. Everyone sign it as a form of protest.

Come on people. I'm on the rag. Are you?

mickydoomsux

ejmaztec wrote: »

That's another waste as we've all been crying non-stop for the last two or three years anyway.

Have "we all"?

I for one haven't been what with getting a new job and buying a house and whatnot. Not everyone was hit by this recession.

Also not everyone would be able to sign on because a million plus of us actually have jobs to go to on Monday. More uninformed rabble-rabble bull**** in AH.

Dempo1

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

What would happen if all the wasters and liggards who dole scrounge, whilst doing 'odd-jobs' on the side were forced to look for work and actually attend courses and interviews.?

there's one for ya:rolleyes:

Interesting Question but of course nonsensical, here we go again "Wasters, Liggards (not sure what they are), Odd Jobbers & Dole Scroungers.

So here goes my sunday morning rant!

When are people going to stop apportioning Blame in the wrong direction. Some people seem to be living in a different Planet and indeed era. Can we remind ourselves 300k are NEWLY unemployed, from all walks of life. Many professionals, many with young families and many certainly not happy abut being in a situation through no fault of their own.

I am particularly annoyed at this factually incorrect assertion that some how forcing Dole claimants onto courses is some how going rescue us all from the abyss. Lets examine what is actually on offer.

Fas currently have a wide range of courses available but sadly most are as about as much use as a three legged hamster.

Training center locations exclude a vast portion of the population, some impossible to get too unless the claimants have transport or can actually access pretty poor public transport. These not withstanding the cost of getting to centers with little or no allowances available.

Take one example, I volunteered for a particular course last year, arrived to find a tutor who was barely shaving and completely out of their depth. 12 attendees for the course, 11 with not a word of English, absenteeism ran at 80% and 2 lasted for the entire course. It was farcical in the extreme.

Lets look at the companies paid vast sums to run these courses. There has been well documented examples of questionable practices which include fraud, poor if any accreditation, Results fixed Etc etc. Not withstanding these issues WTF would encourage any self respecting candidate to consider a single course at FAS until these and others matters are addressed.

Further to the above, I am personally aware a number of these third party training companies who took it upon themselves to dock students benefit entitlements, in particular the docking of pay for B/Holidays based on the fact the courses did not take place. On investigation it transpired correctly these companies had no authority to deduct any benefit with the exception of No shows. It further transpired some of these companies had being doing this UN be known to FAS or the department of social welfare for years. One can only surmise where these deductions were going.

I am not apportioning blame to Fas apart from disgraceful oversight issues.

Finally, some people think its a very easy thing to suddenly apply and get one of these illustrious courses, sadly its the opposite with very limited places available, God knows how the government are going to implement this new ridiculous ultimatum re forcing claimants to do training courses or else. Are they suddenly going to employ hundreds of Tutors and build lots more training centers? I think not. Finally but of critical importance is the not to often published issue about penalizing claimants who actually and genuinely want to educate further. There is absolutely no incentive, in fact its the opposite and claimants can faced enormous if not full penalties if they even suggest going back to further education.

I say cop on to anyone who thinks the situation is as black and white re the notion of forcing claimants onto ludicrous courses that only benefit the Private training companies, most of which are vultures.

I am all for Community based employment schemes, real experience that is beneficial, I am indeed all for further education but only if it is relevant and offers candidates some, any prospects. Whats on offer now offers nothing but further depression.

O i almost forgot the Interview point, Perhaps it is not entirely clear but dole recipients are in fact required to prove occasionally they are actively seeking employment. I would however suggest that some are entitled to get a little demoralized after 100's of applications with little or no responses. Just recently a case involving a family about to loose their home highlighted the fact the husband at made 1,760 job applications in less than 12 month.

Lets get real here, there are few if any Jobs out there.

cml387

How is signing a doll going to help?

Sorry I've just woken up.

ItsAWindUp

chem wrote: »

I can tell you as a fact, that the government has bought tear gas as it expects that the Gardai will have to use it.:(

Source?

maxfresh

everybodys signature would have to be as small as possible so the could all fit on the doll

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

What would happen if all the wasters and liggards who dole scrounge, whilst doing 'odd-jobs' on the side were forced to look for work and actually attend courses and interviews.?

there's one for ya:rolleyes:

Is this your monthly shíte talk entry?

cyrusdvirus

if we were using pencils would the doll get lead poisoning??

PeterIanStaker

krudler wrote: »

would need to be a pretty big doll..

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Kfn-NB-b1Jk/TOEsRnbdnXI/AAAAAAAABEg/P6N5k0iqWTE/s1600/60Ft-Dolls-Joya-Magica-491576.jpg

Pookah

gatecrash wrote: »

if we were using pencils would the doll get lead poisoning??

The doll's health will not be affected, as most pencils these days are made with graphite.

cyrusdvirus

Pookah wrote: »

The doll's health will not be affected, as most pencils these days are made with graphite.

Well once the doll isn't in any danger, count me in

alwaysadub

Once it's not one of them dolls that goes for a piss!
It'd wipe the signatures away.

alwaysadub

alwaysadub wrote: »

Once it's not one of them dolls that goes for a piss!
It'd wipe the signatures away.

MissyP!ssy

FlutterinBantam

Milana Fit Warhead wrote: »

Is this your monthly shíte talk entry?

No Sir ,indeed it is not.

However, despite the fact that there are a lot of totally genuine job-seekers out there, are you telling me Sir, that there isn't quite a rump of people who use the dole system long term, and do odd stuff on the side.

Do you seriously not think there is reasonably widespread misuse and abuse of the welfare system?

Those are the people I refer to, and cracking down on them frees up more resources for the genuine person who is seeking work.

I have no difficulty helping those people, but helping people who make a career out of welfare misuse and black economy,no way Sir.

Dempo1

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

No Sir ,indeed it is not.

However, despite the fact that there are a lot of totally genuine job-seekers out there, are you telling me Sir, that there isn't quite a rump of people who use the dole system long term, and do odd stuff on the side.

Do you seriously not think there is reasonably widespread misuse and abuse of the welfare system?

Those are the people I refer to, and cracking down on them frees up more resources for the genuine person who is seeking work.

I have no difficulty helping those people, but helping people who make a career out of welfare misuse and black economy,no way Sir.

With all due respect, your OP certainly did not make any allowance for those genuinely caught in the social welfare trap. In fact your post seemed to hint at a very limited and simplistic solution.

To many people appear to have a very narrow minded view on what is actually going on in the real world.

Certainly everyone suddenly signing on the dole is not the answer and I do agree there are abuses, all i suggest is a little more objectivity. I more annoyed at this nonsensical approach suggesting one solution is to force dole recipients onto courses when it is clear FAS is not fit for purpose and the government seem incapable of offering a coherent and sensible approach to getting people back to work.

Doublin

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Do you seriously not think there is reasonably widespread misuse and abuse of the welfare system?

Those are the people I refer to, and cracking down on them frees up more resources for the genuine person who is seeking work.

I have no difficulty helping those people, but helping people who make a career out of welfare misuse and black economy,no way Sir.

Do you realise you will now have to help the top tier in this country & the EU get out of the mess they (largely) made and keep them in the lifestyle to which they are accustumed to. To do this you must suffer financial hardship. Does this not bother you?

People throughout history who have been robbed by their 'leaders' (e.g Communist Eastern Europe, USSR) have used the black market to provide for themselves and theirs, so they do not go hungry while the fat cats get fatter. If makes sense to use the resources you have in the best possible way.

Joey the lips

4 words....

Yes.....!


Sign that....!

Next....

FlutterinBantam

Dempo1 wrote: »

With all due respect, your OP certainly did not make any allowance for those genuinely caught in the social welfare trap. In fact your post seemed to hint at a very limited and simplistic solution.

To many people appear to have a very narrow minded view on what is actually going on in the real world.

Certainly everyone suddenly signing on the dole is not the answer and I do agree there are abuses, all i suggest is a little more objectivity. I more annoyed at this nonsensical approach suggesting one solution is to force dole recipients onto courses when it is clear FAS is not fit for purpose and the government seem incapable of offering a coherent and sensible approach to getting people back to work.

I'm afraid I cannot agree with you there.

What I referred to was those who misused the system.

If you inferred that by that, I encompassed everyone on the dole, well I did not.

I would put it out that there are a lot of people genuinely seeking work,and of course they should get every help,but,and it's a big 'but' there are quite a good number of people who are in no way looking for work or even more important, make no effort to help themselves, none at all.

These are the people who should be targeted to help them get back into the workforce and cut the number of career welfare recipients.

Wicklowrider

Mark200 wrote: »

Well if I was in Government at the moment and some union guys said that to me, the first thing I'd say would be "If you strike then we're no longer abiding by the Croke Park agreement".

Remind me not to vote for you so

And what then?
Should we all crawl away?
Most of us learned basic Irish history in school. Do you remember reading about the lock outs?
Who won then?

Soby

Alas none of us can afford the doll itself ..Damm so close :P

clived2

Soby wrote: »

Alas none of us can afford the doll itself ..Damm so close :P

We could err emm get a loan,

I hear the banks are going to be flooded with cash,

celtic tiger the sequel??

jackiebaron

clived2 wrote: »

We could err emm get a loan,

I hear the banks are going to be flooded with cash,

celtic tiger the sequel??

Celtic Leper

Celly Smunt

ya know,i wonder if anyone would auction for a book signed by everyone in ireland...

Jamiekelly

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

What would happen if all the wasters and liggards who dole scrounge, whilst doing 'odd-jobs' on the side were forced to look for work and actually attend courses and interviews.?

there's one for ya:rolleyes:

Look for work? Where have you been the last 2 years?
I've been looking for work for the past 5 months non stop and I can't even find anything part time.
Courses? Yeah because we all know there are courses everywhere with plenty of vacancies. Tried searching for a few myself. 90% are full or require an obscene amount of fee's and the other 10% are foreign language courses (no thanks I don't need to learn Russian)

Maybe you can get off your high horse and realise that people have bills to pay and are actually trying to find work.

I hate the type of people who think everyone on the dole are just riding the system. Its a dumb stereotype that was invented by people who have their heads so far up their own arses they can't even smell their own bullsh!t anymore.



/Rant

Dempo1

Jamiekelly wrote: »

Look for work? Where have you been the last 2 years?
I've been looking for work for the past 5 months non stop and I can't even find anything part time.
Courses? Yeah because we all know there are courses everywhere with plenty of vacancies. Tried searching for a few myself. 90% are full or require an obscene amount of fee's and the other 10% are foreign language courses (no thanks I don't need to learn Russian)

Maybe you can get off your high horse and realise that people have bills to pay and are actually trying to find work.

I hate the type of people who think everyone on the dole are just riding the system. Its a dumb stereotype that was invented by people who have their heads so far up their own arses they can't even smell their own bullsh!t anymore.



/Rant

Well done, I have already offered my lecture! time these narrow minded people realised what is going on in the real world! Chin up, as i always say, it can't get any worse? can it? O ****, just remembered our wonder governments ansewer to all out problems! Hammer the worst off in society!

Jamiekelly

Dempo1 wrote: »

Well done, I have already offered my lecture! time these narrow minded people realised what is going on in the real world! Chin up, as i always say, it can't get any worse? can it? O ****, just remembered our wonder governments ansewer to all out problems! Hammer the worst off in society!

Sorry I know I was basically just repeating what he has already heard but I couldn't resist

Dempo1

Jamiekelly wrote: »

Sorry I know I was basically just repeating what he has already heard but I couldn't resist

Jeez no need to apologize, i am also sick of these arguments blaming people on the dole for the countries woes. I do accept there are abuses but people need to understand there are almost 300k newly unemployed since this economic crisis started, most of these had worked hard for many years, made commitments, had families and had hoped for a better future and the very least deserve a little respect and not to be categorized in such an offensive manner.:rolleyes:

Monty Burnz

What would happen if everyone signed on the doll Monday?

Did you hear the one about our smart, young, educated workforce?