AH Modding vs Cowan

ch750536

Seems trying to hide all the facts is a catching disease. Surely its a case of if you don't want to see don't look. What possible harm can there be in 10 threads of a similar nature all well populated with responses vs one thread with multiple conversations making it impossible to follow.

Poor show AH mods, who made this ****e decision for us (not the bank bail out, the heavy handed modding)

Let the people of AH decide. If there are too many discussions about the economy then they will soon die off, just like in a real pub.

AlmightyCushion

It's not 10 threads it's dozens of them and the reason we did it is taking over the whole forum. We're trying to get the forum back to some sort of normality.

alwaysadub

It was the people of AH who asked for it in the 1st place!
I'm happy with the locks and merged threads-don't need it shoved down our throats every bloody thread.

GLaDOS

Seperate threads for big developments yeah, but otherwise it can all be dumped into the one I think

ch750536

They would only be taking over if people post in them. People only post in them if they have comment to add. There were lots of them as lots of people wanted to discuss it. Well done in helping people not discuss a vital topic in difficult times.

<slow handclaps>

ch750536

alwaysadub wrote: »

It was the people of AH who asked for it in the 1st place!
I'm happy with the locks and merged threads-don't need it shoved down our throats every bloody thread.

Source?
You dont have to read the threads, thats why you get a title and mouseover.

AlmightyCushion

ch750536 wrote: »

They would only be taking over if people post in them. People only post in them if they have comment to add. There were lots of them as lots of people wanted to discuss it. Well done in helping people not discuss a vital topic in difficult times.

<slow handclaps>

If only they had an Irish Economy forum to discuss it in. Oh wait they do.

<slow handclaps>

ch750536

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

We're trying to get the forum back to some sort of normality.

Is it there to be what you want it to be or is it there to be what the users make it?

You're forcing your own agenda on what content should be on AH. Wrong.

alwaysadub

It is being discussed! There's just not 10threads about the same subject clogging up the place.

The mods are doing a great job of keeping the place tidy and uncluttered.

AlmightyCushion

ch750536 wrote: »

Is it there to be what you want it to be or is it there to be what the users make it?

You're forcing your own agenda on what content should be on AH. Wrong.

People in the forum asked for it. Everytime a thread popped up people complained about it ruining to forum and making it depressing. We're listening to the people and like I said if you want you are free to use the Irish Economy forum.

ch750536

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

If only they had an Irish Economy forum to discuss it in. Oh wait they do.

<slow handclaps>

90% of the threads have a more relevant forum they could be in. Its not the point of AH. AH is a place where you can go for alternative discussion about anything.

Its like walking into a bar and saying 'Good game last night' and being told the sports club is down the road, go there if I want to talk about sports.

I don't need to be telling you this, you already know it but choose to ignore it as it does not suit what you want.

ch750536

alwaysadub wrote: »

The mods are doing a great job of keeping the place tidy and uncluttered.

Its the internet. There is no more tidy as there is untidy. If people join in the conversation the thread stays on the first page. If not it doesn't. What makes you think you need to tinker with this natural order?

DOC09UNAM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

If only they had an Irish Economy forum to discuss it in. Oh wait they do.

<slow handclaps>

Wait, do they have a politics forum aswell?

Sounds like something that should be discussed in there aswell...

alwaysadub

ch750536 wrote: »

Source?
You dont have to read the threads, thats why you get a title and mouseover.

I'm on my mobile at the minute, so can't link them, but off the top of my head, there,s two threads here in Feedback, the charter and feedback thread in AH, and numerous threads started either complaining about the amount of political threads, or asking for it not to be discussed in their thread cos they're sick of it.

ch750536

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Some People in the forum asked for it.

Fixed that for you. Wasn't aware some people had that power.

AlmightyCushion

ch750536 wrote: »

90% of the threads have a more relevant forum they could be in. Its not the point of AH. AH is a place where you can go for alternative discussion about anything.

Its like walking into a bar and saying 'Good game last night' and being told the sports club is down the road, go there if I want to talk about sports.

I don't need to be telling you this, you already know it but choose to ignore it as it does not suit what you want.

Poor analogy, we don't allow discussion of football in after hours. You are correct though after hours is kinda for discussing a wide range of topics. When those topics start pissing most of the people who use after hours off or start to dominate the forum to the point where every second thread is about that topic then we start cracking down on it.

ch750536

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Wait, do they have a politics forum aswell?

Sounds like something that should be discussed in there aswell...

Of the current top 22 threads 18 have a much more suitable place to be, by your standards.

By my standards I realise that there is more than one audience for a discussion.

alwaysadub

ch750536 wrote: »

Its the internet. There is no more tidy as there is untidy. If people join in the conversation the thread stays on the first page. If not it doesn't. What makes you think you need to tinker with this natural order?

So if 10people started a thread on sausages it'd be ok? The point of the mods is to keep order in their forum-no forum is gonna leave 10 threads on exactly the same thing without merging them. Specially if as you say no one's gonna post in them.

ch750536

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Poor analogy, we don't allow discussion of football in after hours. You are correct though after hours is kinda for discussing a wide range of topics. When those topics start pissing most some of the people who use after hours off or start to dominate the forum to the point where every second thread is about that topic then we start cracking down on it.

fixed that for you.

So some people get pissed off and this means discussion stops. Note that the pissed off people could just not click on the threads. How hard is it to not do something....

But now I cant discuss something with the people I would like to. Have you tried having a discusssion about 12 things at the same time (albeit related).

AlmightyCushion

ch750536 wrote: »

Fixed that for you. Wasn't aware some people had that power.

Yes some people. Did you really think I meant every single person who has used the forum?

To be honest I'm kinda in your camp. I don't really visit forums any more. I use my followed thread page (so this shows threads that I specifically said I want updates on and nothing more) and the followed forums page. From the followed forum page I find more threads I want to follow and quickly scan over the crap that doesn't interest me. So like you if I didn't like these threads I'd just skip over them.

Leaving the threads be is much better for me. It doesn't affect my browsing habits and it means I'm not locking and merging threads every five minutes. If I catering for me, I'd leave the threads were they are. Less work for me and I'd just ignore the threads.

ch750536

alwaysadub wrote: »

So if 10people started a thread on sausages it'd be ok? The point of the mods is to keep order in their forum-no forum is gonna leave 10 threads on exactly the same thing without merging them. Specially if as you say no one's gonna post in them.

If 10 people start 10 threads about different discussions about sausages yes, of course that is fine. This isn't spamming, it is a massive and complex subject that people discuss at many different levels and perspectives.

If people dont want it and are not interested, they dont have to click on it and it will soon drop off the first page.

AlmightyCushion

ch750536 wrote: »

If 10 people start 10 threads about different discussions about sausages yes, of course that is fine. This isn't spamming, it is a massive and complex subject that people discuss at many different levels and perspectives.

If people dont want it and are not interested, they dont have to click on it and it will soon drop off the first page.

Lots of people don't want 10 separate threads about very similar topics.

Xavi6

The problem is that there are folk who create a new thread to push their own opinion or agenda rather than have it in the middle of another thread.

These people shouldn't be allowed use AH as a soap box when they feel like so similar topics get merged to keep all the discussions together.

Good job from all involved.

ch750536

Closing statement.

I have had some fantastic & eye opening discussions in AH on politics, economics and why my dog eats snow when it pisses on it. I have these discussions with people just like me, some smarter, some older, some younger and more green.

If I discuss these items in Politics or Economics or Dog Behavior I get a discussion with a lecturer, a professor or a dog trainer. Probably far more accurate but far less enlightening and far less fun.

This is the essence of AH. You can & should discuss anything with the normal people, the people I would meet in the street. You have removed this for me.

ch750536

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Lots of people don't want 10 separate threads about very similar topics.

Upgrade to the latest vbulletin, 1 click ignore on threads....

AlmightyCushion

ch750536 wrote: »

Closing statement.

I have had some fantastic & eye opening discussions in AH on politics, economics and why my dog eats snow when it pisses on it. I have these discussions with people just like me, some smarter, some older, some younger and more green.

If I discuss these items in Politics or Economics or Dog Behavior I get a discussion with a lecturer, a professor or a dog trainer. Probably far more accurate but far less enlightening and far less fun.

This is the essence of AH. You can & should discuss anything with the normal people, the people I would meet in the street. You have removed this for me.

I've been reading the Irish Economics forum (never have before) and I find it very laid back. I thought it would be very like politics but it seems to be half way between politics and after hours. Seriously you should try it out.

ch750536 wrote: »

Upgrade to the latest vbulletin, 1 click ignore on threads....

Sounds pretty cool. Unfortunately it's not something the after hours mods can do and I think the developers are staying away from the latest Vbulletin for performance reasons.

AskMyChocolate

Can see both sides of the argument but would tend to side with the OP. AH is supposed to be like a pub and at the moment politics and economics and social justice are the hot talking points for many people who wouldn't normally take a huge interest in these matters (as evidenced by the amount of people who have posted in and viewed these threads).What is happening in the country at the moment is going to affect the life and welfare of every citizen of this country for years to come, and to force all the different discussions into one thread is to effectively derail all those important discussions.

I wonder would it help if the Mods established maybe three or four stickies for the next few months along the lines of The AH politics thread, The AH budget thread, The AH social justice thread, The AH four year plan thread, etc and then merged new threads to the sticky they felt best covered it; thus keeping the front page relatively clear.

Just a suggestion.

AMC

ch750536

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

I wonder would it help if the Mods established maybe three or four stickies for the next few months along the lines of The AH politics thread, The AH budget thread, The AH social justice thread, The AH four year plan thread, etc and then merged new threads to the sticky they felt best covered it; thus keeping the front page relatively clear.

A good halfway house I think.

Adam

i tend to agree with you OP, but the argument is coming across like you think it's your right, and your After Hours that people are tinkering with without your consent. it's making me focus less on the point and more on the attitude...

dr.bollocko

Sometimes you just can't ****ing win tbh.

dr.bollocko

The threads are there to discuss the topics. The problem which posters complained about, which was a problem I observed also, was that AH was turning into the politics forum because people were starting threads on every little thing they had an opinion about re: the economy / bailout / cowen / FF / whatever. It was annoying. There was soapboxing and navel gazing galore. That crap can't take over completely. Not in After Hours.
There is always threads opening every day for discussion as things change in these areas. Anyone who even takes a cursory glance at after hours can see that. But there's one or two now. Not twenty or thirty as there was before we started doing this.
There is always a place for having the discussion in AH. If there weren't it wouldn't be an initiative I'd back at all.
Your claims are both wrong and unfair. Ridiculous tbh.

Rabies

I miss the Harney/hospitals/polish/swans/Nigerians/scumbag threads

Earthhorse

Can we get the IMF in to oversee moderation of After Hours during this transitional phase?

Rabies

Earthhorse wrote: »

Can we get the IMF in to oversee moderation of After Hours during this transitional phase?

Jesus no!
They'll all move their rants to Oz/Nz forums.
Enough of them over here already.

Go home! You're taking me jobs

AckwelFoley

This was a decision by popular demand.


Apparently there was a bribe of cheese

AskMyChocolate

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Sometimes you just can't ****ing win tbh.

Yup. I wouldn't be an AH mod for all the tea and hookers and coke in China.

Cabaal

Whilst Idon't post in AH much I have to say lately I gave up even reading it due to the nonsense amount of threads about politics, I for one I'm glad they are being banished especially as most of them had some sort of agenda.

If I want to read politics I'll goto the politics forum

ch750536

dr.bollocko wrote: »

The threads are there to discuss the topics. The problem which posters complained about, which was a problem I observed also, was that AH was turning into the politics forum because people were starting threads on every little thing they had an opinion about re: the economy / bailout / cowen / FF / whatever.

I agree there was some OTT thread starting where the same discussion was being had in 2 threads, a merge or delete would have solved this.
AH is mirroring the real world just now, I had a night out last night and the kind of chat you are not allowing took about 20% of the night, probably about the same proportion in AH. Fact is people were involved and wanted to talk about it and had their opinions. It was brilliant.

dr.bollocko wrote: »

It was annoying.

Was it annoying personally or as a mod?

dr.bollocko wrote: »

There was soapboxing and navel gazing galore. That crap can't take over completely. Not in After Hours.
There is always threads opening every day for discussion as things change in these areas. Anyone who even takes a cursory glance at after hours can see that. But there's one or two now. Not twenty or thirty as there was before we started doing this.

Makes discussion impossible. Although 10 people may be having a related discussion it becomes incoherent noise when all done together.

dr.bollocko wrote: »

There is always a place for having the discussion in AH. If there weren't it wouldn't be an initiative I'd back at all.
Your claims are both wrong and unfair. Ridiculous tbh.

Ridicule is your response eh...
I don't think they are wrong, is it for you to decide if what I believe is right or wrong? It is your role to bring moderation to after hours. In my opinion forcing all threads into one is in no way a definition of moderate behaviour.

ch750536

Cabaal wrote: »

Whilst Idon't post in AH much I have to say lately I gave up even reading it due to the nonsense amount of threads about politics, I for one I'm glad they are being banished especially as most of them had some sort of agenda.

If I want to read politics I'll goto the politics forum

Why would you not just not click on the politics threads?

Adam

did op have a thread deleted or is he just moaning at the mods for funsies?

aidan_walsh

ch750536 wrote: »

Why would you not just not click on the politics threads?

Why would you not just go to the Politics or Irish Economy forums?

Cabaal

ch750536 wrote: »

Why would you not just not click on the politics threads?

Oh here's an idea,
Since swamping AH with politics seems to be ok how about we also post computer problems in it, TV reviews, film reviews etc

After all these are all issues everyonewants info on and if they are not interested they can just not click on the threads....simple!

I think we should scrap boards.ie in its current form and just have one big massive forum with everything in it.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:


We have seperate forums for a very very good reason, if people are too lazy or stupid to use the correct forums then repeated offenders should be dealt with imho

ch750536

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Why would you not just go to the Politics or Irish Economy forums?

read this thread

ch750536

Cabaal wrote: »

Oh here's an idea,
Since swamping AH with politics seems to be ok how about we also post computer problems in it, TV reviews, film reviews etc

After all these are all issues everyonewants info on and if they are not interested they can just not click on the threads....simple!

I think we should scrap boards.ie in its current form and just have one big massive forum with everything in it.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:


We have seperate forums for a very very good reason, if people are too lazy or stupid to use the correct forums then repeated offenders should be dealt with imho

Funnily enough I just looked and there is 2 threads about computers & one about a film. Are you going to 'deal with' the 'stupid offenders'. :rolleyes:

Or maybe they were non technical pub like discussions and correctly placed in AH.

ch750536

Amusingly 2 people have responded to
Why would you not just not click on the politics threads?
Without actually answering the question.

ch750536

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ch750536

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OutlawPete

ch750536 wrote: »

Amusingly 2 people have responded to
Why would you not just not click on the politics threads?
Without actually answering the question.

Sometimes you can't even tell that they are politics threads until you open them and read the OP, which - the past few months, tend to then be all soapboxing on the same topic.

90% of those threads did not even need be started in the first place (which is why my vote would go to locking them if the Politics / Economy forums didn't want them) as there are dozens and dozens of those threads already were the jist of said threads would have fitted in like a glove to any of the many others, had the OPs bothered to use the 'search forum function' and found them.

It is only threads with no originality and that are the usual rant about Cowen, Nama, IMF etc that are being thrown into that merge thread and so in fact, I think it should be called the 'Unoriginal Cowen / IMF / Nama Soapboxing' thread just to drive home the point of why some threads are ending up in there.

Your comments would only be fair if there were no complaints about how After Hours was becoming of late and also if ALL the political threads were being merged with that thread, but they are not.

If the political threads being started are original and/or have a purpose other than to soapbox or just the latest ranting, they are being left alone, as is clear from just glancing at the front page:

People Are Still Voting For Fianna Fail
Abandon Ship or Stay and Struggle
Protest March 27th / 11/ 2010
Have you ever voted FF?
.. etc.

I applaud the Mods on what they have done here as without question, it needed to be done.

ch750536

OutlawPete wrote: »

It is only threads with no originality and the usual rant about Cowen, Nama, IMF etc that are all being thrown into that thread.

Oh, didn't appear to be the case but I'll try it & see. It seemed to be that all threads related to doom & gloom were merged, if I'm wrong my apologies for starting a useless thread.

Hopefully this is the last you will hear from me on the matter.

Dudess

ch750536 wrote: »

I don't need to be telling you this, you already know it but choose to ignore it as it does not suit what you want.

What do you think they want/their agenda is?

ch750536 wrote: »

IRidicule is your response eh...

Oh well, when you throw out unfounded, paranoid accusations and resort to passive-aggressiveness, you'll obviously be met with defensiveness.

aidan_walsh

ch750536 wrote: »

read this thread

I have, and haven't seen a satisfactory answer to why you want AH to become one of the two forums mentioned when they already exist.