North Korea Shells South, South Retaliates

artanevilla

All kicking off down there.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AM0TZ20101123

4zn76tysfajdxp

Dunno if I should take this seriously, Kim Jong Il has made a Korea out of sabre-rattling.

Overheal

60 years on the edge and theyve had plenty of "incidents" to piss both of them off, many instigated by the north. I doubt this will amount to anything more than a hiccup.

I imagine DPRK will tell the entirely brainwashed populace about how they punished the south koreans but chose to show mercy, etc.

Royal Irish

Here is a more indept report from the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11818005

North Korea has fired artillery shells across its western maritime border, prompting return fire from South Korea, officials say.


Dozens of the shells landed on a South Korean island, from which plumes of smoke are rising. At least four soldiers are said to have been hurt.


South Korea has issued its highest non-wartime alert in response.
A BBC correspondent says this is one of the most serious incidents between the two Koreas since the end of the war.


Top leaders are meeting in an underground bunker in Seoul over the incident, Reuters news agency reported.


The incident comes days after North Korea revealed it had a modern uranium enrichment plant - potentially giving it a second route to a nuclear weapon.


Earlier, the US ruled out more denuclearisation talks while Pyongyang continued to work on the facility.


South Korean officials said artillery rounds landed on Yeonpyeong island, near the disputed inter-Korean maritime border to the west of the Korean Peninsula.


"A North Korean artillery unit staged an illegal firing provocation at 1434 PM (0534 GMT) and South Korean troops fired back immediately in self-defence," a defence ministry spokesman told AFP.


A resident on the island told the agency that dozens of houses were damaged, while television pictures reportedly showed plumes of smoke rising above the island.


"Houses and mountains are on fire and people are evacuating. You can't see very well because of plumes of smoke," a witness on the island told YTN television station.


"People are frightened to death and shelling continues as we speak," the witness said.


South Korea had deployed fighter jets to the island, Yonhap news agency said.


This western maritime border has been the scene of numerous clashes between the two Koreas in the past.


In March, a South Korean warship went down near the border with the loss of 46 lives. International investigators say a North Korean torpedo sank the ship, although Pyongyang denies any role in the incident.


Since then relations between the two neighbours - who have not signed a peace treaty since the 1950-53 Korean War - have been very tense.

Rabies

"A North Korean artillery unit staged an illegal firing provocation at 1434 PM (0534 GMT) and South Korean troops fired back immediately in self-defence," a defence ministry spokesman told AFP.

Is it ever legal?

dlofnep

This sort of malarky happens all the time.

ReacherCreature

dlofnep wrote: »

This sort of malarky happens all the time.

Incidents do happen but North Korea's after firing around 200 artillery rounds at the south. One Marine's dead and houses are ablaze. This is a worrying sign especially with the rise of Kim's son of whom very little is known about.

dlofnep

The only thing that will change North Korea is an internal revolution. But at what cost will it come?

FearDark

North Korea is best Korea.

Trampas

At least it will take the news headlines away from Ireland

MagicMarker

Daniella Repulsive Jack wrote: »

Dunno if I should take this seriously, Kim Jong Il has made a Korea out of sabre-rattling.

Ah leave him alone, he's just ronery.

syklops

And we think we have problems.

Mister men

Gulp. Nuclear war is bad.

dlofnep

Mister men wrote: »

Gulp. Nuclear war is bad.

Not going to happen mon frere!

Mister men

dlofnep wrote: »

Not going to happen mon frere!

Source?

Biggins

Nothing will happen.
The rest of the world will do the usual cowardly "tut-tut" bit and say little else to placate China - North Korea's mate.

Minstrel27

Mister men wrote: »

Source?

Where is your source of impending nuclear war?

lemansky

Mister men wrote: »

Source?

You'd imagine that North Korea sees itself as a lot of things, but not as a glowing crater.

Guill

artanevilla wrote: »

All kicking off down there.

When was Korea moved down there?

Biggins

North Korean shells hit disputed border island

North Korea appears to have shelled a South Korean village with artillery today killing at least one person and injuring several others in one of the most serious incidents since the Korean war.

South Korea scrambled F-16 jets to the scene after the surprise bombardment earlier this morning on an island close to the countries’ disputed maritime border.

At least one South Korean soldier was killed and around 13 others injured. Two civilians were also hurt and dozens of buildings damaged by the attack on Yeonpyeong Island in the Yellow Sea.

According to the South Korean media at least 50 shells landed on Yeonpyeong Island, provoking return fire from troops stationed there.

YTN television quoted a witness as saying 60 to 70 houses were on fire after the shelling and TV footage showed plumes of smoke coming from the island.

“Houses and mountains are on fire and people are evacuating. You can’t see very well because of plumes of smoke,” a witness on the island told YTN.

“People are frightened to death.”

A witness said residents had been evacuated during the shelling, which lasted for about an hour and then stopped abruptly.

The island is about 3 km (1.8 miles) south of the sea border and 75 miles west of Seoul.

China, the closest the isolated state of North Korea has to an ally, expressed concern about the incident.

“A North Korean artillery unit staged an illegal firing provocation at 2:34pm [local time] and South Korean troops fired back immediately in self-defence,” a spokesman for Seoul’s defence ministry told AFP.

Photographs taken from a boat offshore showed black smoke rising from the small town on the island which is hard up against the Northern Limit Line which separates the maritime territory of the two countries.

One resident of the island, Lee Jong Sik, told South Korea’s YTN television : “At least ten houses are burning. I can’t see clearly for the smoke. The hillsides are also on fire. We were told by loudspeakers to flee our homes.”

The area has been the site of repeated clashes since the Korean War. It was close to there in April that the Cheonan, the South Korean naval corvette, was sunk in what appears to have been a North Korean attack, with the loss of 46 lives.

Three times before, in the past decade, there have been naval battles between North and South off Yeonpyeong Island – often in June during the peak fishing season for blue crab, when North Korean commercial boats sometimes flout the boundary in search of better fishing grounds.

The attack comes just as a US envoy is travelling to the region after revelations that the North is moving ahead with uranium enrichment, a possible second path to manufacture material for atomic weapons.

North Korea has said it wants to restart six-party nuclear disarmament talks it abandoned two years ago. But Seoul and Washington have said the North must move forward with previous pledges to curtail its nuclear programme.

newmug

Is this the start of WW3? NK is chinas puppet, SK is Americas puppet. So basically china has seriously attacked America. china has bees shneakily buying up metal reserves in Africa over the last few years, and is involved in the IMF. The dollar is fcuked, they're printing it faster than they ever have, the Eurozone is fcuked, china is the only place doing well. Perfect timing to start a war:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: Thoughts?

Biggins

newmug wrote: »

Is this the start of WW3? NK is chinas puppet, SK is Americas puppet. So basically china has seriously attacked America. china has bees shneakily buying up metal reserves in Africa over the last few years, and is involved in the IMF. The dollar is fcuked, they're printing it faster than they ever have, the Eurozone is fcuked, china is the only place doing well. Perfect timing to start a war:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: Thoughts?

* America is over stretched and tired of fighting on too many fronts directly.
They will do the usual political blustering.
* China will back-up North Korea with a possible claim that South Korea started it
* The European countries will say/do feck all because they are basically owned by China and/or have so much money invested there (potential opening market too) that they will cower into silence.

In other words - NOTHING will come of it.
After a few days, it will be old news ...till the next time of similar stupidity yet again, and again, and again...

whiskeyman

newmug wrote: »

Is this the start of WW3? NK is chinas puppet, SK is Americas puppet. So basically china has seriously attacked America. china has bees shneakily buying up metal reserves in Africa over the last few years, and is involved in the IMF. The dollar is fcuked, they're printing it faster than they ever have, the Eurozone is fcuked, china is the only place doing well. Perfect timing to start a war:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: Thoughts?

I like cake

Darksaga87

"All right lads calm down calm down!"

- China.

dlofnep

Darksaga87 wrote: »

"All right lads calm down calm down!"

- China.

Liverpool, China?

dlofnep

Seems like a bit of a smacking the Island took.

Wompa1

Biggins wrote: »

* America is over stretched and tired of fighting on too many fronts directly.

You're right there, plus the North Koreans are fanatics. Completely brain washed and devoted to Kim Jong. The only way to approach a war with North Korea is Hiroshima style

squod

Can't even talk about N. Korea without mentioning Irish bailout........ FFS

Shares fall on fears over North Korean attack and Irish bailout

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/nov/23/shares-fall-korea-ireland-fears

Ghandee

It all started over Kims undercooked dog burger!

(apparently)

Darksaga87

dlofnep wrote: »

Liverpool, China?

所有正確的小伙子，鎮定下來鎮定下來! 「
-中國

Better?

Ghandee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4ag7ZhvaEU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

listermint

Its all kicking off folks


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/South-Korea-Says-North-Korea-Fired-Artillery-Onto-An-Island-And-Into-The-Sea/Article/201011415822829?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15822829_South_Korea_Says_North_Korea_Fired_Artillery_Onto_An_Island_And_Into_The_Sea


this is the start

chin_grin

........and an end for this thread.


http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056098302

Please search first.

listermint

scanned the first page of AH, wast there presumed it would be big news

prinz

Déjà Wu.

dr.bollocko

Merge.

Duggy747

Fackin' Awec Bawldwin!!

North Korea saying the South fired first according to Sky News. Such knackers.

cherryghost

India is also lining up almost 40,000 troops on their border against China. I call double team shenanigans

Einhard

Wompa1 wrote: »

You're right there, plus the North Koreans are fanatics. Completely brain washed and devoted to Kim Jong.

Sounds like your typical Fianna Failers.

The only way to approach a war with North Korea is Hiroshima style

Can we press the nuclear button with FF?

Lirange

newmug wrote: »

Is this the start of WW3? NK is chinas puppet

China has about as much control over North Korea as Ash had of his right hand in Evil Dead II.

Iwasfrozen

Lirange wrote: »

China has about as much control over North Korea as Ash had of his right hand in Evil Dead II.

Well I know pikachu wouldn;t go into his pokéball and all. But it's hardly fair to call him a dead hand.

Biggins

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

North Korea saying the South fired first according to Sky News. Such knackers.

Well there's a surprise! :rolleyes:
Would anyone with a decent working sane brain really believe that?

....Aaa... NO!

North Korea - still a land led by an idiot.

emo72

why is china so interested in nk? china dont need a war to take over the world, their economy is gonna do that anyway.

Gillo

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

North Korea saying the South fired first according to Sky News. Such knackers.

That's it, sending my mam over any time my bro and I kicked off with "he started it first" and few good clatters and no TV normally shut us up.

ScumLord

This is serious, just look at the photos on the OPs link!

diarmuid05

Has the potential to be serious but i doubt it'll lead to anything...
All the news stations will soon be back on the irish situation....

FrostyJack

Kim is just rattling his sabre as he transfers power to his soon, keeping the populace to believe they need him and he has great power, that is all it is. If something does come of this I will be amazed. China will drop support for NK as soon as they become a liability. The last thing they want is a war with the West. They are assuming the role like Russia are to Iran or America to Israel. They are just a means to an end.

pwd

FrostyJack wrote: »

Kim is just rattling his sabre as he transfers power to his soon, keeping the populace to believe they need him and he has great power, that is all it is. If something does come of this I will be amazed. China will drop support for NK as soon as they become a liability. The last thing they want is a war with the West. They are assuming the role like Russia are to Iran or America to Israel. They are just a means to an end.

They [China] could even go one step further and invade NK themselves, if they are too concerned about NK stirring things up on their doorstep.

steddyeddy

dlofnep wrote: »

Not going to happen mon frere!

Not as plain cut as that Im afraid, north korea as an entity is as stable as me with a hangover. It made the news recently that north koreas nuclear capabilities are far in advance of what was once thought!

http://www.newsy.com/videos/advanced-nuclear-facility-discovered-in-north-korea/

So they fired 200shells but only killed 2 people? Man - bad aim!