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Amn't I?

  • 20-11-2010 05:06AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 355 ✭✭GizAGoOfYerGee


    Today, an American corrected me for saying "Amn't I?", as it is "bad English", apparently.

    I pondered for a second and then told the American to feck off as "amn't" is in common usage in Ireland. Just as "Y'all" and "Ain't" are in use in America. And yes, I have heard this American saying "Y'all" before. Feckin' hypocrite!

    Anyway, I'm right, amn't I? I know it should be "aren't", but from time to time, I say "amn't".

    Does any one here say "amn't"? Maybe I'm just old.

    And FECK the crisis. This is a very important issue!
    Wiki wrote:
    Amn't is a standard contraction of am not in some dialects of mainly Hiberno-English and Scottish English. It is formed in the same manner as other negative contractions: the negative particle not reduces to n't, a clitic or suffix which fuses to the preceding verb form am.[11][12]

    In Hiberno-English the question form ("amn't I?") is frequently used, while the declarative form ("I amn't")[10] is less frequent. The Standard English form "I'm not" is available as an alternative to "I amn't" in both Scottish English and Hiberno-English. In Scots and Scottish English, amn't is generally used only when inverted as a question (i.e. "amn't I?"), often a tag question.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,944 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    "Aren't I" man here.

    Does it really matter?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭cc-offe


    Another amn't I user here
    My personal worst would be betteren't I and betteren't I not.....have no idea where I got them from


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 884 ✭✭✭ya-ba-da-ba-doo


    Today, an American corrected me for saying "Amn't I?", as it is "bad English", apparently.

    I pondered for a second and then told the American to feck off as "amn't" is in common usage in Ireland. Just as "Y'all" and "Ain't" are in use in America. And yes, I have heard this American saying "Y'all" before. Feckin' hypocrite!

    Anyway, I'm right, amn't I? I know it should be "aren't", but from time to time, I say "amn't".

    Does any one here say "amn't"? Maybe I'm just old.

    And FECK the crisis. This is a very important issue!


    Aren't = Are not

    Amn't = Am not


    :confused:




    Correct word for "amn't" is "ain't" but that's not really used over here.

    I say amn't all the time!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭PanchoVilla


    I amn't doing anything.
    I am not doing anything.

    Ok, that's fair enough but it'd be better to say "I'm not doing anything.

    I'm right, amn't I?
    I'm right, am not I?

    "Amn't I" just doesn't work. It's be more like amIn't which is just stupid. "Y'all" is acceptable because it's short for you all. "Ain't" is just weird and not sure where it came from.

    Edit: Ok, so "aren't I" wouldn't really work either with that example but it just sounds better that "amn't I".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Correct word for "amn't" is "ain't" but that's not really used over here.
    Neither are actually correct! >.<


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭larchielads


    my friend from mayo is adamant the term is amn't i as it means am i not as in im going too am i not? (amn't)

    now i always say aren't i, but it sounds wrong when you say it like this im going too are not i cos(aren't i) thats essentially what your saying:confused::pac:

    so to sum up amn't i sounds wrong but is correct and aren't i sounds right but is incorrect.........................i think:confused:

    she's always right ,dont tell her i said that:D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    cc-offe wrote: »
    Another amn't I user here
    My personal worst would be betteren't I and betteren't I not.....have no idea where I got them from

    I always just presumed they had snuck in From the Gaelige -Tá'm- or some sort of hangeron from the Modh Coinniolach


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭PanchoVilla


    Amn't is a standard contraction of am not in some dialects of mainly Hiberno-English and Scottish English. It is formed in the same manner as other negative contractions: the negative particle not reduces to n't, a clitic or suffix which fuses to the preceding verb form am.

    In Hiberno-English the question form ("amn't I?") is frequently used, while the declarative form ("I amn't") is less frequent. The Standard English form "I'm not" is available as an alternative to "I amn't" in both Scottish English and Hiberno-English. In Scots and Scottish English, amn't is generally used only when inverted as a question (i.e. "amn't I?"), often a tag question.

    There is no undisputed standard equivalent of "amn't I": "am I not", "aren't I", and "ain't I" may respectively be considered stilted, affected, and substandard.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contractions_of_negated_auxiliary_verbs_in_English#Amn.27t
    Ain't is a colloquialism and contraction for "am not", "is not", "are not", "has not", and "have not" in the common vernacular. In some dialects ain't is also used as a contraction of "do not", "does not", and "did not". The usage of ain't is a perennial issue in English. Widely used by many people, its use is nevertheless commonly considered to be improper.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contractions_of_negated_auxiliary_verbs_in_English#Ain.27t

    "Ain't" is more versatile than "amn't". ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,554 ✭✭✭✭alwaysadub


    I say 'amn't' a fair bit. "I amn't going out tonight" Never really thought about it much to be honest


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 14,324 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Master


    Today, an American corrected me for saying "Amn't I?", as it is "bad English", apparently.

    An American correcting bad English?

    1) Ask him to say Soldering and Aluminium out loud
    2) Laugh
    3) Profit*




    *There may be no profit


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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Originally Posted by Wiki
    Amn't is a standard contraction of am not in some dialects of mainly Hiberno-English and Scottish English. It is formed in the same manner as other negative contractions: the negative particle not reduces to n't, a clitic or suffix which fuses to the preceding verb form am.

    I found the clit!

    Amn't I observant


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    It didn't bad English, it's a perfectly acceptable wordmash unique to here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    He's a tool.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭bluenose1956


    Not sure of his name, but the man who owns the Korky's shoe shop chain said amn't on BBC World yesterday, so it must be right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭kincsem


    Neither are actually correct! >.<

    Neither are actually is correct!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,992 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Search youtube for someone who has a decent grab of the english language - david norris, stephen fry, will self etc

    Do any of these people use amn't i..........case closed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Fcuk! That Yank has little to worry about.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "Amn't" person here. I would only ever start taking advice on English from an American when they learn how to spell colour, yoghurt, doughnut and the like correctly.


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Ellie Jolly Schoolroom


    I use it now and then, but I would never consider it good English.

    Edit: Ok, so "aren't I" wouldn't really work either with that example but it just sounds better that "amn't I".
    Now try expanding "don't" in a normal sentence :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,160 ✭✭✭Kimono-Girl


    just call him a grammar nazi! :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    Anyone who corrects someones English in normal conversion is a tosser. Point him towards this post so he knows it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Is you is or is you ain't my amn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    kincsem wrote: »
    Neither are actually is correct!
    True! :p

    The result of insomniac posting in the dead hours of night! :rolleyes:
    Paparazzo wrote: »
    Anyone who corrects someones English in normal conversion is a tosser.
    Yep.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,305 ✭✭✭Chuchoter


    They come from a country that jumped into proper spelling and took out all the hard parts (like the u in colour! Or spelling dreamt as dreamed):mad:
    They have no say in grammatical matters.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    The phrase "Amn't I" has been around longer than the USA.
    Tell him to swivel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    "Amn't I?" is like the short way to say "Am not I?", which used in this context is grammatically incorrect. "Aren't I?" or "Are I not", is also incorrect because you're referring to yourself in the plural. "Isn't I?" or "Is I not" funnily enough is actually a little more (but not totally) correct than "Aren't I".

    "Ain't I?" or "Am I not?" (here the 'm' is dropped) is correct in terms of its consideration of syntax. "Y'all" is also syntactically correct as it basically just mean "You all".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    "Amn't I?" is "Am not I?" without the contraction. Technically speaking that's not proper English and it seems archaic. The correct phrasing would be "Am I not?". Generally speaking you shouldn't use amn't or ain't when you're asking a question with a verb inversion.
    I.e.
    Amn't I? - Wrong
    I amn't? - Right


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 415 ✭✭Holybejaysus


    kincsem wrote: »
    Neither are actually is correct!

    I say, old chap, would you mind telling me how you perform that strike though effect? Thanks awfully. Toodle pip, tip of the hat etc....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    [NoParse][/NoParse] each side of what you want to be crossed out ...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Today, an American corrected me for saying "Amn't I?", as it is "bad English", apparently.
    He should've said 'Don't be doin' da'.


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