OLEARY! FLAG AND MOCKING THE DEAD

Dudess

doleman2010 wrote: »

I wonder how many of people who responded to this thread and thought it was funny to insult our flag and traditions depend on this state for their dole money , free housing or the highly paid public service job. Its ok for yee shower to grab and scrounge of this state and not repect it

Why is your username doleman? Wtf have those got to do with the flag and traditions? Why not reserve your ire for the sham government?

not my fault that ye bought houses for 5 times more than they were worth and all ye can do now is attack your own state . shame on ye.

Who said they bought such houses and it's your fault? Relax - no need to be hysterical and resort to incoherent babbling.

People don't have to be patriotic if they don't want to be. Would you advocate forcing it on them, like a dictatorship?

Not everyone is so kneejerk and hypersensitive as to view this as insulting our flag and traditions.

JayMul

I can see now why the country is in the state it is, Fianna fail are probably reading this thread and saying "See ! They really are that stupid".

Aldebaran

doleman2010 wrote: »

I wonder how many of people who responded to this thread and thought it was funny to insult our flag and traditions depend on this state for their dole money , free housing or the highly paid public service job,
Its ok for yee shower to grab and scrounge of this state and not repect it , not my fault that ye bought houses for 5 times more than they were worth and all ye can do now is attack your own state . shame on ye.

Who are you arguing with? Nobody on this thread said they bought a house for 5 times more than it was worth.

thebullkf

Helix wrote: »

how exactly?

where youre from is nothing to be proud of

really, tell that to native americans,aborigines,

be proud of things you actually achieved yourself

patriotism is a thinly veiled excuse for xenophobia in most cases

so loving your country means hating others???

i was born in ireland, my passport says im irish, but i wouldnt consider myself any nationality tbh. i dont see the point in it. we all live on the same rock in space, thats good enough for me

so you're an earthling....

doleman2010

A name is a name dude , Are you a dude ?
The only reason people are pissed off with FF is because of the property crash , only a few years ago Bertie was patron saint of the wasters in the PS

Misanthrope

thebullkf wrote: »

well people here thought it ws funny.


just curious as to why you've no pride in your country of birth?

i suppose it depends on one's view of being Irish
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'Pride comes before a fall' as the saying goes.When I hear some yob in a foreign country going on about how proud he is to be Irish it makes me not want to be Irish.Why?Here's why.

Usually the type of people who deal in Oirish Pride aren't very well educated and have no idea of how the world at large perceives them............as "Tick Micks".

What are you so proud of exactly?Is it something you did?Or something someone else did.Too often I hear fellas being proud of the men of 1916.Do you think the Pearses and co sacrificed their lives so you could indulge yourself in the sins of vanity.

I have tremendous respect for what those guys did.I am not proud though.Walking around going on about my pride would be a disservice to them.

Who likes a person who is full of pride?It is a cheap emotion for motivating the weak minded.

The Waltzing Consumer

Dudess wrote: »

What's so amazing or unusual about people not being proud of their nationality? That's not to say I think it's a negative thing either though, just don't see what there is to be proud (or ashamed) of. I don't make a conscious decision to not be proud of it, it's just how I happen to roll.

Of course you are making a conscious decision, whatever you choose.

thebullkf

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If O'Leary had a real stiff in a real coffin on the tarmac I would have been be mortified, but he didn't. It was just another one of his good humored publicity stunts.

good humoured

he's a one trick pony..sensationalism./diversionary tactics.


he's using the price hikes as an excuse to cut costs himself.
he's cutting 48 routes and blaming T2. if he owned a fookin terminal we'd all know about it... paying for public toilets.paying for executive lifts,window seats, you name it the money hungry guy will suck it out of us.

I have also great respect for this man speaking out about this monstrosity that will inevitably hike up airfares across the nation to pay off its high price tag.

really... have you voiced your own concern?..written to the DAA,IAA et al?

Dudess

JayMul wrote: »

I can see now why the country is in the state it is, Fianna fail are probably reading this thread and saying "See ! They really are that stupid".

Who are that stupid?

thebullkf wrote: »

really, tell that to native americans,aborigines

I think it's a different thing to embrace your identity if you're repressed.

so loving your country means hating others???

Can do, yeah - but not always.

It really should be a personal preference, open to interpretation etc. It's only by fate I'm born here - could have been born in France... That said, I would object to anti Irishness.

Kinetic^

doleman2010 wrote: »

why are people not outraged by this

Because he's right.

Sonnenblumen

Dudess wrote: »

Doubtful she'd even notice.

And yeah, it is just a piece of fabric - if you choose to imbue it with importance, fair play to you, but people are allowed to make or not make of it what they prefer. Not everyone's proud of their nationality - it's not an accomplishment.

... especially the treacherous riff raff:eek:

Dudess

doleman2010 wrote: »

A name is a name dude , Are you a dude ?
The only reason people are pissed off with FF is because of the property crash , only a few years ago Bertie was patron saint of the wasters in the PS

So you ARE on the dole, I see. No, plenty of people would never have voted FF - ever.

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Of course you are making a conscious decision, whatever you choose.

How? My view just defaults that way. I didn't sit down one day and decide "Right, I'm gonna not be proud to be Irish".

doleman2010

Yep onthe the dole dude , corpo house 3 bed semi for 14.50 pw , got a big plasma tv ,

thebullkf

Misanthrope wrote: »

'Pride comes before a fall' as the saying goes.When I hear some yob in a foreign country going on about how proud he is to be Irish it makes me not want to be Irish.Why?Here's why.

YOB????


wheres the yob here??

Usually the type of people who deal in Oirish Pride aren't very well educated and have no idea of how the world at large perceives them............as "Tick Micks".

so everyone thinks every irish person is a Thick mick??
if you think this,then you're not very well educated.sweeping statement of the week.(though i assume its the jersey wearing,anti-english gob****es you're referring to?

What are you so proud of exactly?Is it something you did?Or something someone else did.Too often I hear fellas being proud of the men of 1916.Do you think the Pearses and co sacrificed their lives so you could indulge yourself in the sins of vanity.

my direct ancestors were involved,and were murdered.
thats the real sin. ....Vanity

are you trolling deliberately?

where are you from?

I have tremendous respect for what those guys did.I am not proud though.Walking around going on about my pride would be a disservice to them.

walking around like what exactly??? your ideas seem skewed to me.

Who likes a person who is full of pride?It is a cheap emotion for motivating the weak minded.

who said full? ..edit: enough:rolleyes:

JayMul

It saddens me that patriotism is being debased, its no more than having pride in your nation in the same way you would be proud of the neighbourhood you live in. It doesn't mean you should preach intolerance, nor should you open the doors freely to every passerby.

The Waltzing Consumer

Dudess wrote: »

How? My view just defaults that way. I didn't sit down one day and decide "Right, I'm gonna not be proud to be Irish".

Well no, you obviously did sit down one day and form whatever view you have, and there is nothing wrong with that, you ain't any less special because of that

Misanthrope

pride

  <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/P07/P0776400&quot; target="_blank"><img src="http://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/g/d/speaker.gif&quot; border="0" alt="pride pronunciation" /></a> /praɪd/ Show Spelled [prahyd] Show IPA noun, verb, prid·ed, prid·ing.
–noun 1. a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.

2. the state or feeling of being proud.

3. a becoming or dignified sense of what is due to oneself or one's position or character; self-respect; self-esteem.

4. pleasure or satisfaction taken in something done by or belonging to oneself or believed to reflect credit upon oneself: civic pride.

5. something that causes a person or persons to be proud: His art collection was the pride of the family.

The Waltzing Consumer

Misanthrope wrote: »

'Pride comes before a fall' as the saying goes.When I hear some yob in a foreign country going on about how proud he is to be Irish it makes me not want to be Irish.Why?Here's why.

Usually the type of people who deal in Oirish Pride aren't very well educated and have no idea of how the world at large perceives them............as "Tick Micks".

What are you so proud of exactly?Is it something you did?Or something someone else did.Too often I hear fellas being proud of the men of 1916.Do you think the Pearses and co sacrificed their lives so you could indulge yourself in the sins of vanity.

I have tremendous respect for what those guys did.I am not proud though.Walking around going on about my pride would be a disservice to them.

Who likes a person who is full of pride?It is a cheap emotion for motivating the weak minded.

You are just talking about examples of people you don't like. You should not be influenced so easily

ShamoBuc

Helix wrote: »

how exactly?

where youre from is nothing to be proud of

be proud of things you actually achieved yourself

patriotism is a thinly veiled excuse for xenophobia in most cases

i was born in ireland, my passport says im irish, but i wouldnt consider myself any nationality tbh. i dont see the point in it. we all live on the same rock in space, thats good enough for me

Nothing to be proud of? You consider yourself a non-nationality(?)

You wouldn't feel any pride when Irl beat Eng at Croker? When Ray 'stuck it in the net' in Stuttgart in '88. If we managed to win tomorrow against the All Blacks- you'd feel nothing, not a hint of pride in being Irish? If your county won the All Ireland - nothing? I could go on .....

IMVHO you are fúcked, proper fúcked!

Dudess

The Waltzing Conumser, as you well know, people don't just sit down and decide what views they have. Sometimes you just go with your feelings - being Irish doesn't particularly stir any emotions for me, but if it does stir emotions for someone, their business. You keep your Irishness in your way, I'll keep it in mine.

JayMul wrote: »

It saddens me that patriotism is being debased, its no more than having pride in your nation in the same way you would be proud of the neighbourhood you live in. It doesn't mean you should preach intolerance, nor should you open the doors freely to every passerby.

I don't debase it, just never felt any inclination towards it personally. I don't have pride in my neighbourhood either, other than keeping it litter-free, being pleasant to my neighbours, etc. If that's a form of "micro-patriotism", well, I'm all for that.

Absurdum

Patriotism and what it represents is still hugely important to me, notwithstanding what the people we somehow elected to run the place have done to this country. It saddens me to read some of the comments here, hopefully someday they will realise what so many gave up in the name of Ireland. Some probably won't, because being PC and the fear of offending someone is more important than pride. Their loss.

Dudess

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Nothing to be proud of? You consider yourself a non-nationality(?)

What (s)he means is: what's the accomplishment/achievement?

You wouldn't feel any pride when Irl beat Eng at Croker? When Ray 'stuck it in the net' in Stuttgart in '88. If we managed to win tomorrow against the All Blacks- you'd feel nothing, not a hint of pride in being Irish? If your county won the All Ireland - nothing? I could go on .....

National identity in a sporting context is different to pride re simply where you were born.

IMVHO you are fúcked, proper fúcked!

Eh... how?

thebullkf

Dudess wrote: »

I think it's a different thing to embrace your identity if you're repressed.

we were

Can do, yeah - but not always.

helix said mostly, thats why i posted what i did.

Dudess

Absurdum wrote: »

It saddens me to read some of the comments here, hopefully someday they will realise what so many gave up in the name of Ireland. Some probably won't, because being PC and the fear of offending someone is more important than pride. Their loss.

Who said anything about being PC? What's so saddening about people genuinely not being able to see what there is to be proud of? I'd agree it's wanky for people to be ashamed of it though, and I hate the "We Irish are sh1te" constant threads... but you can't force people to feel something they don't feel.

Dudess

thebullkf wrote: »

we were

And we're not now. It's been a LONG time.

thebullkf

Dudess wrote: »

And we're not now. It's been a LONG time.

if we were , would you be proud..?

just curious.

Dudess

I would be more defensive of my national identity if I was the target of abuse on the mere basis of it, like e.g. the Palestinians, but I don't know whether that's the same as pride.

The Waltzing Consumer

Dudess wrote: »

The Waltzing Conumser, as you well know, people don't just sit down and decide what views they have. Sometimes you just go with your feelings - being Irish doesn't particularly stir any emotions for me, but if it does stir emotions for someone, their business. You keep your Irishness in your way, I'll keep it in mine.

Eh I don't buy it, ha.

Not very convincing. Feelings are based on experience and information and yep, in a way, people sit down and decide what views they have. do you think views just fly down and are dropped into your lap? I don't care if you like or dislike nationality, it is just simply incorrect to say that you are like that default.

partyatmygaff

Why would anyone be proud of something they have no control of? Nationalism and patriotism are fine in very small measures (And I mean almost negligible) but from history all that excessive nationalism has achieved is war and conflict.

Dudess

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Eh I don't buy it, ha.

Not very convincing. Feelings are based on experience and information and yep, in a way, people sit down and decide what views they have. do you think views just fly down and are dropped into your lap? I don't care if you like or dislike nationality, it is just simply incorrect to say that you are like that default.

Can't see how it is, but anyway...