How would make a better TD for Louth, Gerry Adams or Michael McDowell?

alex73

Since Adams is going to parachute himself in to stand for Louth, is it not time for another candidate to stand?

Who would make a better TD for Louth, Gerry Adams or Michael McDowell?

Wolfe Tone

Michael McDowell

lol

Id pick Gerry myself.

Delta Kilo

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PanchoVilla

Don't care

I reckon McDowell will go on the warpath against FF for what they did to him when he was in government. I'd get him in just to see what he does. Adams is a good politician but has too much history that people won't forget too easily.

charlemont

Michael McDowell

Gerry Adams..:cool:

policarp

Michael McDowell

Gerry Adams by a country mile.

McDowell is a quitter

PanchoVilla

Don't care

policarp wrote: »

Gerry Adams by a country mile.

McDowell is a quitter

McDowell has some integrity and wouldn't support the gombeens in FF. I have a bit of respect for the man to be honest. He could have just kept his mouth shut and collected his overly generous paycheck but decided it wasn't worth it.

Z Brannigan

Michael McDowell

Deffo Gerry.

Also regarding the "parachute" comment, Adams announced he is moving to Louth in the next few weeks so by the time he runs for the Dáil he will have been a resident there for a fair bit.

Nodin

Michael McDowell

PanchoVilla wrote: »

McDowell has some integrity and wouldn't support the gombeens in FF. I have a bit of respect for the man to be honest. He could have just kept his mouth shut and collected his overly generous paycheck but decided it wasn't worth it.

....McDowell lost an election and quit politics, he didn't resign....

brianthebard

PanchoVilla wrote: »

McDowell has some integrity and wouldn't support the gombeens in FF. I have a bit of respect for the man to be honest. He could have just kept his mouth shut and collected his overly generous paycheck but decided it wasn't worth it.

Lol what? So when McDowell wsa in government with FF, he wasn't supporting them?

wellboy76

Don't care

Hard one to call. Has McDowell a buried murdering terrorist past too?

Big Nasty

Never was this better deserved:

'Who?'

sligopark

wellboy76 wrote: »

Hard one to call. Has McDowell a buried murdering terrorist past too?

no but adams has been a murdering terrorist who buried a mother in louth too

wellboy76

Don't care

sligopark wrote: »

no but adams has been a murdering terrorist who buried a mother in louth too

But he will get votes from fools cause he looks like a teddy bear. I'm glad I live on the South coast.

angelfire9

Don't care

Not a massive fan of Mc Dowell but I'd rather canvass for Dustin The Turkey than see Gerry Adams elected

tolosenc

Don't care

Why are people voting for Adams? The guy is a terrorist!

Nodin

Michael McDowell

tolosenc wrote: »

Why are people voting for Adams? The guy is a terrorist!

Was. And what does it matter? The country was founded by 'terrorists'.

aDeener

tolosenc wrote: »

Why are people voting for Adams? The guy is a terrorist!

didn't stop people voting for mandela :rolleyes:

Rebelheart

Michael McDowell

tolosenc wrote: »

Why are people voting for Adams? The guy is a terrorist!

In part to annoy people who think as you do, I suspect.

wonderfulname

Don't care

tolosenc wrote: »

Why are people voting for Adams? The guy is a terrorist!

sh1ts and giggles me thinks, but in the real thing they'll vote him in because hes a nice yung fellar..

sollar

I'd like to see them both active in the dail - two big names

alex73

Don't care

sligopark wrote: »

no but adams has been a murdering terrorist who buried a mother in louth too

Exactly,, Lets face it, what has Sinn Fein ever really done for ROI?.. steal from Banks and Kill gardas

sligopark

angelfire9 wrote: »

Not a massive fan of Mc Dowell but I'd rather canvass for Dustin The Turkey than see Gerry Adams elected

Dustin the Turkey vs Gerry the Terrorist - sounds like an MTV battle fight

wilson10

Hypothetical question, unfortunately the fact is Adams is going to stand and going to take the seat.

Biggins

Michael McDowell

Gerry Adams in the Dail pestering Cowen with questions.

Cowen might crap himself! :pac:

K-9

Wouldn't support McDowell on many policy issues but he is brilliant up against Adams and his ilk.

Mike 1972

If I lived in Louth and it was a choice between McDowell and Adams Id spoil my vote.

A plauge on both their houses !

Ulysses Gaze

Don't care

Mmmmm...a Terrorist or a Fascist?

Neither are palatable choices....

I think I'll vote for a third candidate.

Ulysses Gaze

Don't care

Biggins wrote: »

Gerry Adams in the Dail pestering Cowen with questions.

Cowen might crap himself! :pac:

Did you see Adams at the last leaders debate before the last election?

He knows diddlysquat about the Irish economy.

So what would he pester Cowen about?

strobe

Michael McDowell

Who would make a better TD for Louth, Gerry Adams or Michael McDowell?

Would you rather be burnt alive or skinned alive?

wellboy76

Don't care

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Did you see Adams at the last leaders debate before the last election?

He knows diddlysquat about the Irish economy.

So what would he pester Cowen about?

Sure you wouldnt understand him anyway with his diddlediddlediddle SI-TU-ATION accent

Ulysses Gaze

Don't care

wellboy76 wrote: »

Sure you wouldnt understand him anyway with his diddlediddlediddle SI-TU-ATION accent

Ah sure he has a MONNNNN---DEEET from the people up North. He has no MONNNNN---DEET from the people down South though.

vonnie10

Don't care

I personally think Mcdowell was a very good politician. He certainly wasn't the most likeable chap and is perhaps a little elitist but he had integrity and principles which i think is what this country needs!! Some of his policies were slightly overboard and draconian but i think as a nation we have too much of the "look the other way" mentality which is largely why we are in the situation we are now!! I can certainly see why he might not widely appeal to voters but he is a very shrewd politican in my opinion !!

policarp

Michael McDowell

If Mary Harney and Michael McDowell got on there might still be a PD party.
Michael McDowell is a Gold Digger. No money in politics, so back to the money pot. Law.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

At least McDowell would have some sense of what an economy is, and know what economic policy is, he was the main crier for a low corporation tax which is why we attracted so mcuh foreign industry

Adams was and is about representing a tribe rather than a policy

Neither are ideal at this stage tbh

StupidLikeAFox

Gerry Adams would make a great minister for justice

policarp

Michael McDowell

Romina Mango Typewriter wrote: »

At least McDowell would have some sense of what an economy is, and know what economic policy is, he was the main crier for a low corporation tax which is why we attracted so mcuh foreign industry

Adams was and is about representing a tribe rather than a policy

Neither are ideal at this stage tbh

So was Dev...

epgc3fyqirnbsx

policarp wrote: »

So was Dev...

Yes he was. And we ended up with a constitution that explicitly endorsed the authority of the catholic church

TeddyTedson

Is McDowell that nutter who made the offos shut at 10pm? I hate that guy, in fact I think he's a creep.

Don't care

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qwertplaywert

Adams wouldn't stand a chance of getting my vote because of what he stands for; even more reason for not giving him my vote would be the fact that hes not based in Louth, nor do I imagine him relocating here or puting the interests of Louth above that of his own cause.

PanchoVilla

Don't care

Is the man who would start a row in an empty room on the way back?

What word best describes Michael McDowell during his political career – arrogant, intolerant, self-serving, brilliant, courageous, or exciting? They all applied to him at different times. Whether one liked him or loathed him, he left his mark on Irish politics.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/ryle-dwyer/is-the-man-who-would-start-a-row-in-an-empty-room-on-the-way-back-125996.html

newmug

Don't care

qwertplaywert wrote: »

Adams wouldn't stand a chance of getting my vote because of what he stands for; even more reason for not giving him my vote would be the fact that hes not based in Louth, nor do I imagine him relocating here or puting the interests of Louth above that of his own cause.

What exactly did he stand for in your view? A free, united Ireland? Thats a good thing. Equal rights? Also good. Did he use violence against the british army? He sure did, but it was a David and Goliath scenario, that took some balls! Did he eventually say "we'll stop fighting if you's do, and give us our equality"? Yes he did, and he got it! Can you imagine Clowen, bertie, or any of the rest of that nest of vipers doing ANYTHING remotely as backbone requiring as that? Not if we owed 15BN in debt. Oh wait...

qwertplaywert

newmug wrote: »

What exactly did he stand for in your view? A free, united Ireland? Thats a good thing. Equal rights? Also good. Did he use violence against the british army? He sure did, but it was a David and Goliath scenario, that took some balls! Did he eventually say "we'll stop fighting if you's do, and give us our equality"? Yes he did, and he got it! Can you imagine Clowen, bertie, or any of the rest of that nest of vipers doing ANYTHING remotely as backbone requiring as that? Not if we owed 15BN in debt. Oh wait...

The man never extended any sincere apologys or condolences about some of the violence in the north- he may have claimed it was wrong, and counter productive to the peace process, but it was morally reprehensible of him not to openly condem actions that he, by way of IRA and Sein Fein activitys, was at least partially to blame for.

Another thing that has always annoyed me is his refusal to acknowledge his past IRA membership. I would have a lot more respect for the man[not that I have much to begin with] if he would just admit it, which he won't. It really speaks of his lack of character that he sees himself as this upstanding man of the people, yet refuses to accept things he has done in his life , most likely in order to further his political career.

Dyr

vonnie10 wrote: »

politician. He certainly wasn't the most likeable chap and is perhaps a little elitist but he had integrity and principles which i think is what this country needs!! Some of his policies were slightly overboard and draconian

Sounds like adolf to me..(fock you deputy Godwin, FOCK YOU!!)

COYW

Romina Mango Typewriter wrote: »

At least McDowell would have some sense of what an economy is, and know what economic policy is, he was the main crier for a low corporation tax which is why we attracted so mcuh foreign industry

Adams was and is about representing a tribe rather than a policy

Neither are ideal at this stage tbh

Agree, SF dont have a clue about economics. In my opinion, anyone who votes for Gerry Adams needs to take a long hard look at themselves when you consider the history of the movement he represents.

Bottle_of_Smoke

COYW wrote: »

Agree, SF dont have a clue about economics. In my opinion, anyone who votes for Gerry Adams needs to take a long hard look at themselves when you consider the history of the movement he represents.

Though funnily enough if Sinn Fein had been in power for the last 12 years we would not be in the mess we are now.

Of course we wouldn't have been so rich in the boom years, but hey that's not much use now is it.

delta720

Don't care

Z Brannigan wrote: »

Deffo Gerry.

Also regarding the "parachute" comment, Adams announced he is moving to Louth in the next few weeks so by the time he runs for the Dáil he will have been a resident there for a fair bit.

Thats a joke right? Listening to his statement on the radio yesterday I noticed the man couldn't even say the word 'Louth' correctly, nevermind know anything about what the people of Louth want.

At the end of the day your local TD is ment to represent the local population in the Dail. Gerry Adams has picked Louth because he wants to be a TD and he thinks we're the most republican. He knows nothing about local politics.

Auther Morgan only ever got in because he was actually actively involved at a local level. I'd be surprised if Louth people, apart from young lads who think they're in the IRA, will vote him in. Remembering that Seamus Kirk will get his seat automatically being Ceann Comhairle.

Biggins

Michael McDowell

delta720 wrote: »

Thats a joke right? Listening to his statement on the radio yesterday I noticed the man couldn't even say the word 'Louth' correctly, nevermind know anything about what the people of Louth want.

At the end of the day your local TD is ment to represent the local population in the Dail. Gerry Adams has picked Louth because he wants to be a TD and he thinks we're the most republican. He knows nothing about local politics. .

Sorry but on that point alone I have to point out absolute glaring wrongs!

I refer back to a previous thread on this topic.

Actually, Mr Adams spends a LOT of time around Drogheda and its regions, even to Cloughterhead to aid local staff there, Danny Churchill and Ruth Tuite. Mr Adams been around this part of Louth for years.
He's a regular on the streets of Drogheda sometimes.

....And I can say that as a definite non-Sinn Fein fan.

He's always down in Drogheda. Has been for years and years (has friends/relatives/etc) there.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056089139

I, myself have fallen across him, many times on the streets of Drogheda. I know where to find him in bars, where he gets his hair cut and which local businesses and shops there he frequents.

Whatever the man is in his previous past - he is most certainly not new to the region that he will be standing in and is well known in the area indeed!
Will people please stop entering that "just parachuting in" rubbish and get their facts straight!

So he says "Louth" with an accent - whoop-de-do!
I'd rather hear him saying it - than Cowen slurring it any day!
...And he knows a hell of a lot about local politics up my way!

Lord Trollington

Michael McDowell

alex73 wrote: »

Exactly,, Lets face it, what has Sinn Fein ever really done for ROI?.. steal from Banks and Kill gardas

What has FF ever done for Ireland only help the banks steal from us and Kill Ireland in general closing hospital wards and getting rid of beds.

qwertplaywert

whycliff wrote: »

What has FF ever done for Ireland only help the banks steal from us and Kill Ireland in general closing hospital wards and getting rid of beds.

Just because your kettle filled with water isn't working doesn't mean you should replace the water with orange juice.