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Irish Media Is A Joke

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  • 14-11-2010 2:04pm
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    RockinRolla
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    Until now, I never realised what it was like to be in some banana republic where the media was controlled by the government. Ireland in 2010 is comparable to the USSR pre 1989 where we have to depend on foreign news sources to understand whats happening in our own country!


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    Biggins
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    Welcome to reality.


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    My name is URL
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    All media is a joke.. those great foreign news sources were making unsubstantiated claims about our future yesterday


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    longshanks
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    A question, short story or depiction of a situation told with the intent of being funny, now that's a joke


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    FreudianSlippers
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    All media is a joke.. those great foreign news sources were making unsubstantiated claims about our future yesterday
    Exactly, the whole concept of MSM worldwide is about control. You are told what they want you to be told.


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    K-9
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    On another thread somebody thinks we shouldn't receive BBC either.

    American media isn't great either so it's Al Jazeera for me.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    Biggins
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    K-9 wrote: »
    ...it's Al Jazeera for me.

    ...Back in your cave Bin Laden! :p


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    RockinRolla
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    Im not in Ireland at the moment myself so all Im exposed to are international news channels (nothing from Ireland or Britain) - Its all doom and gloom on this end which I couldnt believe because Ireland would need to melt into the Atlantic for anyone over here to give even a whiff about us but its plastered everywhere....

    When I call home, nobody knows what Im talking about or understand the importance of it...RTE not reporting things etc...


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    gizmo
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    This is actually confusing me at the moment, I've been away for the last 2 years and outside of the net, hadn't seen any of the Irish papers. Now, from what I'd read around here, it seemed that all the media are simply mouth pieces for the government yet, upon returning and picking up a newspaper, all I see is article after article tearing stripes out of the government. Now, has something changed in the last month or so, are people referring to specific publications and/or shows or were people just talking ****e?


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    danbohan
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    All media is a joke.. those great foreign news sources were making unsubstantiated claims about our future yesterday


    so its all totally untrue is it ???


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    Snakeblood
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    RockinRolla wrote: »
    Im not in Ireland at the moment myself so all Im exposed to are international news channels (nothing from Ireland or Britain) - Its all doom and gloom on this end which I couldnt believe because Ireland would need to melt into the Atlantic for anyone over here to give even a whiff about us but its plastered everywhere....

    When I call home, nobody knows what Im talking about or understand the importance of it...RTE not reporting things etc...

    Everyone I know in Ireland knows about it, it's heavily reported in the news, and on current affairs problems. Everyone is pissed off and angry.

    I think you need more informed friends.


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    Biggins
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    gizmo wrote: »
    This is actually confusing me at the moment, I've been away for the last 2 years and outside of the net, hadn't seen any of the Irish papers. Now, from what I'd read around here, it seemed that all the media are simply mouth pieces for the government yet, upon returning and picking up a newspaper, all I see is article after article tearing stripes out of the government. Now, has something changed in the last month or so, are people referring to specific publications and/or shows or were people just talking ****e?
    In general, RTE I've found (...and I could be wrong) tends to side BIG time with FF.
    Occasionally they offer up Primetime (presenters being sometimes known FF supporters, keep in mind) and other such material that appears to question our ministers and/or their policies* - but RTE news alone seems to be consistently spinning the latest FF propaganda more so than actually reporting with equal air time, the views/actions/policies of any opposition.

    The newspapers however don't have to rely on the government having the power and control of the TV licence fee for their revenue so they tend to be a bit more free in their vocalisation of opposition to the current lot!

    * Even Russia and China off political questioning programmes too like RTE but they too are done within certain boundaries of where they are allowed really go or how hard to push!


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    And some of our politicians dont approve of the internet!!
    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056088536

    From the same donkey
    http://greenparty.newsweaver.ie/c1caw0ef5s7nagng2rkjst


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    brianthebard
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    gizmo wrote: »
    This is actually confusing me at the moment, I've been away for the last 2 years and outside of the net, hadn't seen any of the Irish papers. Now, from what I'd read around here, it seemed that all the media are simply mouth pieces for the government yet, upon returning and picking up a newspaper, all I see is article after article tearing stripes out of the government. Now, has something changed in the last month or so, are people referring to specific publications and/or shows or were people just talking ****e?

    I think it depends on the journalist in some cases but some newsbodies can be clearly seen to lean one way or another. Regardless of that however they all have to criticise the government a bit, they would lose all credibility if they didn't.


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    My name is URL
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    danbohan wrote: »
    so its all totally untrue is it ???

    I don't know, and neither do they. Which is why they keep referring to it all as rumor and mentioning 'correspondents' without actually naming any of them. It's all speculation atm, and that isn't good journalism.


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    PCros
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    danbohan wrote: »
    so its all totally untrue is it ???

    It is yeah

    IMF: Ireland are grand they can get by alone
    EU: No application for bailout received
    Cowen: We didnt apply for a bailout

    BBC: Ireland are fúcked
    Sky: Ireland are fúcked
    Bloomberg: Ireland are fúcked etc etc

    Who do we believe the media or the actually parties involved?


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    RockinRolla
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    PCros wrote: »
    It is yeah

    IMF: Ireland are grand they can get by alone
    EU: No application for bailout received
    Cowen: We didnt apply for a bailout

    BBC: Ireland are fúcked
    Sky: Ireland are fúcked
    Bloomberg: Ireland are fúcked etc etc

    Who do we believe the media or the actually parties involved?

    Im inclined to side with the credibility of Reuters than whatever comes out of Cowens incoherant ramblings..


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    Biggins
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    RockinRolla wrote: »
    Im inclined to side with the credibility of Reuters than whatever comes out of Cowens incoherent ramblings..
    Same here to be honest.


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    Jericho.
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    RockinRolla wrote: »
    Until now, I never realised what it was like to be in some banana republic where the media was controlled by the government. Ireland in 2010 is comparable to the USSR pre 1989 where we have to depend on foreign news sources to understand whats happening in our own country!

    This isn't news and if it was they wouldn't report it anyways!


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    PCros
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    RockinRolla wrote: »
    Im inclined to side with the credibility of Reuters than whatever comes out of Cowens incoherant ramblings..

    I know but when you have the IMF and EU backing up Cowens statement its hard not to believe.


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    Biggins
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    PCros wrote: »
    I know but when you have the IMF and EU backing up Cowens statement its hard not to believe.
    The flip side of that argument is that they are not going to admit that there is quiet talks - for the sake alone of upsetting financial markets and the forth coming new bonds possibly issued in the new year.

    Honestly? I don't know who's telling the truth - but I do know, time will tell and someone is going to have egg on their face (again?).

    Who is more used to having egg on their face!


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    RockinRolla
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    PCros wrote: »
    I know but when you have the IMF and EU backing up Cowens statement its hard not to believe.

    Well, one side is telling porkies...

    However, any kind of deal with the IMF-EU, as a matter of fact, would require a referendum laid out by the Irish constitution. Articles 1, 5 and 29 specifically, are in direct opposition to the proposed bailout with IMF interferance.


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    PCros
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Who is more used to having egg on their face!

    True...I just hope to god this time they dodge it so to speak.


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    Biggins
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    PCros wrote: »
    True...I just hope to god this time they dodge it so to speak.
    They better not take dodging lessons from Harney then! :D


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    upandcumming
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    All media is a joke.. those great foreign news sources were making unsubstantiated claims about our future yesterday

    Must have missed this? Which great foreign news source?


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    danbohan
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    PCros wrote: »
    It is yeah

    IMF: Ireland are grand they can get by alone
    EU: No application for bailout received
    Cowen: We didnt apply for a bailout

    BBC: Ireland are fúcked
    Sky: Ireland are fúcked
    Bloomberg: Ireland are fúcked etc etc

    Who do we believe the media or the actually parties involved?


    check out greece week or so before the got bailout , same story denial by everybody, i am much more inclined to believe Reuters, bbc , bloomberg , than any of the 3 options you mentioned


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    Biggins
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    upandcumming wrote: »
    Must have missed this? Which great foreign news source?
    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056089240


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    RockinRolla
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    So apparently Cowen is furious that foreign news sources are letting us in on a few details...


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    gizmo
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    Biggins wrote: »
    In general, RTE I've found (...and I could be wrong) tends to side BIG time with FF.
    This I haven't really seen so far. What I have seen is them reporting on what the government are actually saying at which point, unfortunately, they add very little opinion to it. What they could of course do is examine these statements but again, you'd have a situation whereby those doing so could put their own spin on it.
    Biggins wrote: »
    Occasionally they offer up Primetime (presenters being sometimes known FF supporters, keep in mind) and other such material that appears to question our ministers and/or their policies* - but RTE news alone seems to be consistently spinning the latest FF propaganda more so than actually reporting with equal air time, the views/actions/policies of any opposition.
    Primetime does seem overly tolerant alright but on the other hand I think Frontline come across as the other side of the spectrum.

    As for reporting on the opposition side of things, well any time FG or Labour have said anything worthwhile, and by that I mean anything more than pointless bluster, it's been reported on. This in turn is usually presented in the same manner as the government's announcements so I don't really see the problem.

    Overall I guess it boils down to how you take the news in general, personally I don't take any of it at face value and prefer to take in a variety of sources in order to build a picture of what's really going on. If you don't subscribe to that logic of course then I can see why you'd be more miffed.
    brianthebard wrote: »
    I think it depends on the journalist in some cases but some newsbodies can be clearly seen to lean one way or another. Regardless of that however they all have to criticise the government a bit, they would lose all credibility if they didn't.
    Well that I can clearly see, at the level of the individual journalist there are some who clearly lean one way or the other.


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    RoundyMooney
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    Frontline, news at one (radio) and Morning Ireland, are excellent and impartial.

    Tubridy, Duffy, Finucane, and Miriam, are a joke in terms of their lack of impartiality.

    It boils down to this, RTE is the only semi state that has not seen major change in recent years, and is insulated from real world economics.

    It is the ruling party that hold the purse strings, and RTE know that, and are intertwined in it.

    FF do not have the moral compass to allow RTE true impartiality, they criticised Pat Kenny and his team only two weeks ago for having the temerity to criticise the government on Frontline.


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    RoundyMooney
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    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1020/1224281544135.html

    http://www.thejournal.ie/rtes-frontline-could-face-fianna-fail-boycott-2010-10/

    This is what you're up against.


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