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g'em

..'RE BRAENZ.

I've been thinking for a while that the Fitness Basics Sticky has become quite outdated and I think it's time it was updated.

So, everyone, what should stay, what needs to go, what new information needs to be there?

If anyone would like to put themselves forward to write new topics that would be awesome.

I'll leave it open to you all for discussion

Parsley

starting strength is all anyone needs..? :pac:

i think will's post on nutrition should be highlighted in a special way. i liek it.

Hanley

When you say "outdated" what do you mean?!

Like if the information that's stickied was correct 3 years ago or whatever, what's changed since then?! Or is it just cos the people who wrote them up aren't posting anymore!?

g'em

Maybe 'outdated' is the wrong word - on need of a revamp perhaps? If nothing needs to be done to it then that's cool, I just wanted to provide the option of giving it an overhaul

Inspector Coptoor

I think the idea of having the stickies at the top is good but new posters dont read them, they ask questions in a new thread that has been asked/answered before in the vast majority of cases.

My idea would be that the main fitness forum would have the stickies and general discussions on fitness and these questions on where do i get cheap protein/weights/barbells etc could be put in a sub folder called Questions under fitness logs

This would encourage me to read the main forum more as at the moment, all I see are stupid arguments and questions that have been asked before with answers in the stickies, and this doesnt encourage me to read or post anything except in the fitness logs section.

hagbard

As a newcomer to all this, I'd like to see a sticky with a lit of the common acronyms and abbreviations used by fitness enthusiasts. It could make read this forum, and other similiar ones, a lot easier.

An Citeog

How about highlighting the Fitness; The Basics (Incl Diet & Nutrition) thread title in red? If possible, adding in a subtitle like "Everything You Need to Get Started" or something along those lines might help.

Blatter

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No sleazing or "pics or gtfo" posts.
Treat your fellow posters with courtesy and respect. It's fine to disagree with a post strongly, but be polite about it. We all make mistakes. There's no need to call people or their posts names. Calling something "ghey" (or its equivalents) is not acceptable and will be considered abusive.
We are aware that a lot of people know each other in real life and that can create an atmosphere of familiarity but keep the in-jokes to a minimum. When you call someone you know in RL a name it might look hilarious to you but may come across as abusive or hostile to other members and we will Moderate appropriately.
This forum does not belong to any one poster/ group of posters. It's not your personal playground, you are subject to the same rules as everyone else.

Maybe move this up in the forum charter or highlight it in red, because some posters don't seem to be able to get this message.

I know it's not in the Fitness basics sticky, but I just think highlighting it more would make the forum a much more friendlier place where people feel comfortable asking questions.

grimloch

The layout of the main sticky is the biggest issue. It's somewhat messy and realistically new posters aren't going to be patient enough to trawl through it. I know it's only 3 pages but it's not very readable.

I don't know but maybe something like this could be the first post in the sticky:
The bullet points could be links to individual posts/articles that outline the basics and are easy to understand.

Diet

• Fat Loss
• Bulking
• Healthy Eating

Weights Routines

• Starting Strength
• 5/3/1

Throw in some links here to either the wiki pages or user write ups

Cardio Routines

• Couch to 5k etc

Exercises

• How do I squat?
• How do I bench?

Instructional links here


Then obviously links to the supplements threads etc, I think presenting things like this would make the information here much more accessible.

Scuba Ste

Not a big fan of the sticky either, it is a bit messy and in a way over specific, most people seem to come here looking for general info, how do I lose weight, gain weight etc.

I like Liam and Grimloch's suggestions or maybe rename it FAQ and have some basic oft asked Q's in there.

I know Will Heffernan started a thread a while back on the perfect program, putting something like a basic program in there might work too as lots of Q's come up about how my program looks.

All the protein and supp stuff should be in the supp thread anyway.

dartstothesea

I might be remembering this incorrectly and haven't gone back to check (sorry) but I seem to recall seeing two contradicting posts about counting macros (i.e. with another stating counting macros or macro ratios is totally pointless). Something to simplify, maybe.

eroo

I would like to see the importance of Anatomical Adaptation highlighted. Too many newcomers arrive here and ask about getting bigger and/or stronger. They are simply told 'starting strength', without having any previous weightlifting experience.

It is ridiculous to expect newcomers to start squats, deadlifts, cleans, OH press' etc without instruction on proper form. But also, how can they be expected to undertake such a rigorous programme without having prepared the body to do so?(i.e. anatomical adaptation)

I think it should be highlighted.

dartstothesea

Bit of apostrophe adaption might be needed too.

I'd have thought when people were referred to Starting Strength as you say, it's to the book of Starting Strength, which gives a pretty good guide for beginners in terms of form and other things.

Frogdog

dartstothesea wrote: »

I'd have thought when people were referred to Starting Strength as you say, it's to the book of Starting Strength, which gives a pretty good guide for beginners in terms of form and other things.

Agreed, added to the line of thinking that if someone needed to be shown how to perform an exercise in a gym that a member of the gym staff should be able to show it to them to a decent level (granted, in an ideal world with good gym staff).

Also, the last post on the second page from a user "Co Co". I have an issue with their second point, as I'm sure most others here would, and which contradicts previous advice on the thread, that of consuming fat in your diet. Maybe it should be removed/reviewed? Here it is:

2. Cut Fat
Avoid the obvious such as fried foods, burgers and other fatty meats (i.e. pork, bacon, ham, salami, ribs and sausage). Dairy products such as cheese, cottage cheese, milk and cream should be eaten in low fat versions. Nuts and sandwich meats, mayonnaise, margarine, butter and sauces should be eaten in limited amounts. Most are available in lower fat versions such as substitute butter, fat free cheeses and mayonnaise. Thought for the day: Lean, mean, fat-burning machine…. Then be one!

corkcomp

few things.. firstly the existing sticky is pretty good IMO but as another poster mentioned people dont tend to read it.. it might be a good idea to split into sub sections though?
one issue with re-writing it is that it could end up biased towards certain methods of training and / or nutritional guidelines so not sure how this could be avoided?
would agree with soccer4life's comment also.

Transform

keeping it way more simple would be a good start i.e. single thread with 7-10points and thats it.

Most people say they need more info but acutally just need to do the basics more

Hanley

Transform wrote: »

keeping it way more simple would be a good start i.e. single thread with 7-10points and thats it.

Most people say they need more info but acutally just need to do the basics more

People need the 7-10 points, and then 7-10 pages to convince them as to why the 7-10 points are enough.

eroo

dartstothesea wrote: »

Bit of apostrophe adaption might be needed too.

Bit of spelling adaptation would not go astray!:rolleyes:

I'd have thought when people were referred to Starting Strength as you say, it's to the book of Starting Strength, which gives a pretty good guide for beginners in terms of form and other things.

If you learn your form and technique, as well as correct ROM, from a book then it will not be right. Simple as. You cannot beat person to person coaching for the minor tips. A book will not be able to tell you if you are functionally competent in the first place either.

eroo

Frogdog wrote: »

Agreed, added to the line of thinking that if someone needed to be shown how to perform an exercise in a gym that a member of the gym staff should be able to show it to them to a decent level (granted, in an ideal world with good gym staff).

Most gym staff have no knowledge of the Olympic lifts, and even more are not qualified to instruct them.

dartstothesea

eroo wrote: »

Bit of spelling adaptation would not go astray!:rolleyes:

Meh, inadvertent typo vs horrific, repeated, intentional abuse of apostrophes.

wrote:

If you learn your form and technique, as well as correct ROM, from a book then it will not be right. Simple as.

Well this is some horseshіt anyway, since all the coaching I've ever had for my squat (and probably most other basic lifts) was reading Starting Strength. Since then, and with zero coaching from anyone else, I've roughly doubled what I was able to lift before reading it. And I didn't double 10 or 20kg or anything so small.
Nothing even close to an injury or even a mishap so far.

It's not like someone's not going to be able to also youtube a single instructional squat video anyway, not that I'd even necessarily say they must do that.

wrote:

You cannot beat person to person coaching for the minor tips.

Highly depends on the person doing the coaching, really, doesn't it?

wrote:

A book will not be able to tell you if you are functionally competent in the first place either.

Uh, okay. I barely know exactly you even mean by functionally competent but I'm pretty sure that was something I was able to figure out for myself, I'm guessing same goes for everyone else.

Mellor

I think G'em's post on maintenaqnce calories needs to be fixed, it was copied from the nutrition forum and the part where it mentions that lean mass should be used in missing, so people prob over estimate their needs

cmyk

Transform wrote: »

keeping it way more simple would be a good start i.e. single thread with 7-10points and thats it.

Definitely far too much information in there now, some of that information is completely untrue and some posts contradict eachother (eg never eat a meal containing all 3 macros, a post 2 down from it dispels this myth).

It's also the middle of page 2 before you get to probably the most useful information there...discussing calories/establishing rmr etc.

Transform

cmyk wrote: »

Definitely far too much information in there now, some of that information is completely untrue and some posts contradict eachother (eg never eat a meal containing all 3 macros, a post 2 down from it dispels this myth).

It's also the middle of page 2 before you get to probably the most useful information there...discussing calories/establishing rmr etc.

agreed,

My suggestion -

7-10 points for beginners to focus on (diet, training, etc)
7-10 points for injury prevention/mobility
7-10 points for building muscle
7-10 points on fat loss
7-10 points in motivation/goal setting etc (many many people do NOT need more training and nutrition articles when they have not got the tools to keep the flippin program on track).

The ones beyond all those other points will most likely post up a question or go elsewhere for further advice e.g. other sites or to a trainer.

Basics, abreviated and done consistently. Its not more info thats needed its practical understanding.

pinkypinky

Another general point - and I really don't want to start another debate on it here but what about separate sub-forum for Weight Watchers? There's a heap of people using it and a heap of nay-sayers on this forum. The nay-sayers are not likely to convince the WWers to give it up or vice versa - so why not give them their own forum?

I agree the stickies are unwieldy. One clear topic for each sticky and locked so it can't get to ridiculous length - that's what puts me off reading stickies.

g'em

WW is discussed at length in a dedicated thread on the Nutrition and Diet forum

d'Oracle

dartstothesea wrote: »

Well this is some horseshіt anyway, since all the coaching I've ever had for my squat (and probably most other basic lifts) was reading Starting Strength. Since then, and with zero coaching from anyone else, I've roughly doubled what I was able to lift before reading it. And I didn't double 10 or 20kg or anything so small.
Nothing even close to an injury or even a mishap so far.

Its far from horse****.
You are one person.
As such your experience can not be accepted as the norm.

Maybe you are some sort of Squat savant, tbh you seem to be doing really well on the linear progression, so fair play to you......but that doesn't mean that every punter who picks up Starting Strength will automatically be a wizard with the Low Bar Back squat.

A quick look around Rippetoes Q&A forum will show you a number of threads along the lines of:

Poster: "Hey Rip, my <exercise> is broke, here is a video <video of exercies> I cannot get <insert some element of exercise> right despite reading and re-reading the book."

Rip: "This is a coaching issue. You will need a coach."

kevpants

d'Oracle wrote: »

Its far from horse****.
You are one person.
As such your experience can not be accepted as the norm.

Maybe you are some sort of Squat savant, tbh you seem to be doing really well on the linear progression, so fair play to you......but that doesn't mean that every punter who picks up Starting Strength will automatically be a wizard with the Low Bar Back squat.

A quick look around Rippetoes Q&A forum will show you a number of threads along the lines of:

Poster: "Hey Rip, my <exercise> is broke, here is a video <video of exercies> I cannot get <insert some element of exercise> right despite reading and re-reading the book."

Rip: "This is a coaching issue. You will need a coach."

On Rip's forum alot of the issues with squatting are to do with his unbending view of how it should be performed.

I disagree that you need one to one coaching. I reckon in a "Squat Sticky" I (and others) could get someone from quivering mess to decent form in a few posts. They'd need to have an interest in reading a varied array of info on how to get it right but it could be done.

I think it would be a better resource than telling people they need a coach, someone who trains in Total Fitness and can't squat 60k probably isn't moving in the kinds of circles that would make finding a good coach feasible.

I know this isn't a powerlifting forum but if there were specific threads on certain lifts it might result in a good back catalogue of info being built up. Or it might be a sh1tstorm

d'Oracle

kevpants wrote: »

On Rip's forum alot of the issues with squatting are to do with his unbending view of how it should be performed.

I disagree that you need one to one coaching. I reckon in a "Squat Sticky" I (and others) could get someone from quivering mess to decent form in a few posts. They'd need to have an interest in reading a varied array of info on how to get it right but it could be done.

I think it would be a better resource than telling people they need a coach, someone who trains in Total Fitness and can't squat 60k probably isn't moving in the kinds of circles that would make finding a good coach feasible.

I never said you "needed a coach" or "one to one coaching".
You have taken my post out of context.
I mean if Rips forum falls over because of his unbending view, then surely his book also does?

I have been coached, formally, once.
And while it was of great benefit, the most important and influential resource I have used to date is Starting Strength. That in itself doesn't count for much, but should be said to underline where I'm coming from.

But my point is some people are going to need some form of coaching to get it right. So maybe dartstothesea is right is saying eroos post is hore****, in so far as eroo was very black and white about saying you cant learn from a book, it is also wrong to say everyone can learn from a book based on his own experience.

kevpants

d'Oracle wrote: »

I never said you "needed a coach" or "one to one coaching".
You have taken my post out of context.
I mean if Rips forum falls over because of his unbending view, then surely his book also does?

I have been coached, formally, once.
And while it was of great benefit, the most important and influential resource I have used to date is Starting Strength. That in itself doesn't count for much, but should be said to underline where I'm coming from.

But my point is some people are going to need some form of coaching to get it right. So maybe dartstothesea is right is saying eroos post is hore****, in so far as eroo was very black and white about saying you cant learn from a book, it is also wrong to say everyone can learn from a book based on his own experience.

In a nutshell what I was referring to was the "head down" stuff which I see causing problems with his disciples but never does he say "Try it with your head up".

I know what you're saying though and yeah a session in a gym with someone would always be prefereable and in some cases essential but a squat thread would probbaly sort out issues 75%+ of the time.

There aren't that many cues to remember when squatting. It's really a bit like memorizing a poem for your LC. There's debate around certain cues as well but that would contribute so long as it didn't get out of hand.

d'Oracle

kevpants wrote: »

In a nutshell what I was referring to was the "head down" stuff which I see causing problems with his disciples but never does he say "Try it with your head up".

I know what you're saying though and yeah a session in a gym with someone would always be prefereable and in some cases essential but a squat thread would probbaly sort out issues 75%+ of the time.

There aren't that many cues to remember when squatting. It's really a bit like memorizing a poem for your LC. There's debate around certain cues as well but that would contribute so long as it didn't get out of hand.

Pulling my head back and up is one of the best changes I ever made to my squat. And I got it from a Dave Tate article.:)

I agree on the movements thread idea.
Maybe a post in the basics thread for each lift, and the mods can add or remove links videos or tips as they get suggested/approved.
Kind of like the old records thread.

lastlaugh

grimloch wrote: »

The layout of the main sticky is the biggest issue. It's somewhat messy and realistically new posters aren't going to be patient enough to trawl through it. I know it's only 3 pages but it's not very readable.

I don't know but maybe something like this could be the first post in the sticky:
The bullet points could be links to individual posts/articles that outline the basics and are easy to understand.




Diet

• Fat Loss
• Bulking
• Healthy Eating

Weights Routines

• Starting Strength
• 5/3/1

Throw in some links here to either the wiki pages or user write ups



Cardio Routines

• Couch to 5k etc

Exercises

• How do I squat?
• How do I bench?

Instructional links here

Then obviously links to the supplements threads etc, I think presenting things like this would make the information here much more accessible.

Good idea grimloch, but, rather than have lots & lots of information contained in a single sticky, it might be better to have the forum 'compartmentalised'. This might make it more intuitive and easier to find the answer to what you're looking for.
A possible way of doing this would be to create more sub-forums off the main Fitness forum.

Ex, if someone wanted to know the best way to lose/gain weight they could go to the main Fitness forum and then select the sub forum, 'Diet & Nutrition' where there would be stickies with everything you need to know.
OR
If someone wanted to know what Programme would best suit them & what the Programme is aimed at, they could go to Fitness forum -> Exercise Programmes -> Starting Strenght etc. Each sub forum would have a sticky with useful links and advice. Each sub-forum could have specific, relevant threads.

This would reduce the amount of people posting questions that have already been answed in detail on some other thread.

As a relative newbie here I too am guilty of not reading through all the
stickies, this is partly my bad, but also some of them go on too long and if it's not what I want to know about at the time, I'll just leave. Transform had a good suggestion with the 7-10 points.

I'm not sure how practical/difficult it is to create these sub forums... I reckon the 'Membership Offers', 'Gym Reviews' & 'Supplements' should have a sub forum each with the main Fitness forum just having the Charter and general fitness threads...

Maybe this is a bit of a radical change all the same!

g'em

lastlaugh wrote: »

I'm not sure how practical/difficult it is to create these sub forums...

not very/ very unfortunately

lastlaugh wrote:

I reckon the 'Membership Offers', 'Gym Reviews' & 'Supplements' should have a sub forum each

It's easily arguable that all three of these threads create free advertising for the companies involved and I can't see the site allowing dedicated fora for them.

I'm not ignoring the other ideas on this thread btw, I'm reading with great interest, I just need to say which ones definitely can't go ahead!

eroo

d'Oracle wrote: »

I never said you "needed a coach" or "one to one coaching".
You have taken my post out of context.
I mean if Rips forum falls over because of his unbending view, then surely his book also does?

I have been coached, formally, once.
And while it was of great benefit, the most important and influential resource I have used to date is Starting Strength. That in itself doesn't count for much, but should be said to underline where I'm coming from.

But my point is some people are going to need some form of coaching to get it right. So maybe dartstothesea is right is saying eroos post is hore****, in so far as eroo was very black and white about saying you cant learn from a book, it is also wrong to say everyone can learn from a book based on his own experience.

My whole point regarding learning from a book is that it cannot tell you if your right hip is tilting as you push up in the squat, or if your knees are buckling in, if only slightly. Books are great.. but they can't speak to you or observe you!

@ the poster having a go about my use of commas:p

You not knowing anything about functional competence proves my point.. people rushing into programmes when they are not able to get full ROM etc in the lifts(not saying you aren't competent). You can squat heavy and still have terrible form, seen it many times!

Anyway, as I said I would like to see these issues addressed!:)

d'Oracle

eroo wrote: »

My whole point regarding learning from a book is that it cannot tell you if your right hip is tilting as you push up in the squat, or if your knees are buckling in, if only slightly. Books are great.. but they can't speak to you or observe you!

Just shove your knees out everytime you squat.....

Chet Zar

Alrighty Fitness Forumers,

Haven't been posting on here in a while, but been browsing threads the past week or so. Thought I'd take the time to lob in my 2 cents as I've always loved this forum.

I actually think the Stickies are overrated as a resource and I'm not sure that anyone ever reads them! (could be completely wrong there though). The main reason is pretty obvious I reckon - you can get the kind of info you find in the stickies pretty much anywhere!

What people want when they come on here is a mix of the following I reckon:

-Answers and input into their particular question or situation. Telling someone to go read the stickies for anything other than the most basic questions (e.g. someone who really hasn't a clue) just doesn't cut it for most people. And why should it? People like to get a tailored response because even though the questions might be very similar to the one asked yesterday, nobody's situation is ever the same. This is a forum - a place to exchange opinions, to discuss and to share experiences. Which brings me to my next point...

-To learn from others, to be inspired and to emulate others. A forum such as this one is only as good as it's top posters. By 'top posters', I don't mean thread/post count - I mean those who clearly have lots of experience, who have achieved a tonne in the area of fitness, who have taught/educated and inspired others and who people generally look up to for tips/advice/wise words/benefit of experience. Apologies if I leave anyone out, but for me over the years these are the likes of (in no particular order mind) Hanley, g'em, Barry, Will, Transform, kevpants. So, I reckon that there should be a better way of promoting the knowledge shared by these kinda people - what I'm thinking of in particular here, and what came to mind as soon as I saw this thread - are the 'in the well' threads that popped up a good long while back. Maybe if there was a way to surface and merge all those threads into one sticky, it would be a fantastic resource.

Anyway that's my cupla words, time for me to hit a freezing cold gym as it happens!

Hanley

Chet Zar wrote: »

-To learn from others, to be inspired and to emulate others. A forum such as this one is only as good as it's top posters. By 'top posters', I don't mean thread/post count - I mean those who clearly have lots of experience, who have achieved a tonne in the area of fitness, who have taught/educated and inspired others and who people generally look up to for tips/advice/wise words/benefit of experience. Apologies if I leave anyone out, but for me over the years these are the likes of (in no particular order mind) Hanley, g'em, Barry, Will, Transform, kevpants. So, I reckon that there should be a better way of promoting the knowledge shared by these kinda people - what I'm thinking of in particular here, and what came to mind as soon as I saw this thread - are the 'in the well' threads that popped up a good long while back. Maybe if there was a way to surface and merge all those threads into one sticky, it would be a fantastic resource.

Anyway that's my cupla words, time for me to hit a freezing cold gym as it happens!

And of those people who is actually bothered posting anymore? Because pretty much any time anyone you listed posts, they get attacked and people try to pick their posts apart on a pedantic w*nker line by line basis.

The incumbents aren't the problem. It's the people with a little knowledge and a lot of attitude hoping to establish themselves as some sort of expert that cause the trouble.

Chet Zar

Hanley wrote: »

And of those people who is actually bothered posting anymore? Because pretty much any time anyone you listed posts, they get attacked and people try to pick their posts apart on a pedantic w*nker line by line basis.

The incumbents aren't the problem. It's the people with a little knowledge and a lot of attitude hoping to establish themselves as some sort of expert that cause the trouble.

I didn't bring it up - but have to say looks like the forum has gone downhill of late...?!? Was checking it out last week and seemed to be a lot of nonsense going on....prob all I can say is that they tend to get found out and that I wouldn't worry too much - I think the majority of lurkers/posters can see who the spoofers are when they pop up.

d'Oracle

Hanley wrote: »

And of those people who is actually bothered posting anymore? Because pretty much any time anyone you listed posts, they get attacked and people try to pick their posts apart on a pedantic w*nker line by line basis.

The incumbents aren't the problem. It's the people with a little knowledge and a lot of attitude hoping to establish themselves as some sort of expert that cause the trouble.

Is that not basically the problem on every public fitness forum everywhere though?

Zamboni

g'em wrote: »

So, everyone, what should stay, what needs to go, what new information needs to be there?

Some real Clarity on whats an acceptable recommendation would be great and is not really covered in the Charter.
It appears there is no cohesion between the various mods and what they consider acceptable (not a complaint, an observation).

For anyone that comes onto this forum there are about 5 product/service providers that continuously get recommended by folks attached/members of/buddies with the various business and its a complete pain at this stage.
You'd swear there was only 2 gyms and one pt in Dublin.

I can't think of any mod abusing powers but a declaration of any conflicting interests would help. Again, just a suggestion...

Hanley

Chet Zar wrote: »

I didn't bring it up - but have to say looks like the forum has gone downhill of late...?!? Was checking it out last week and seemed to be a lot of nonsense going on....prob all I can say is that they tend to get found out and that I wouldn't worry too much - I think the majority of lurkers/posters can see who the spoofers are when they pop up.

It's getting to the point where there's no point posting because people just want to argue. There's so much info on the net that you can find something which contradicts pretty much anything. And people seem to LOVE to go hunting for it.

d'Oracle wrote: »

Is that not basically the problem on every public fitness forum everywhere though?

Thanks for proving my point there... :D

There's been a lot of targeted modding recently at the more knowledgable incumbent posters because they're getting more short and less tolerable of bullsh!t and peoples feelings are getting hurt. Hardly the way to foster a positive attitude when it comes to contributing is it?

d'Oracle

Hanley wrote: »

Thanks for proving my point there... :D

There's been a lot of targeted modding recently at the more knowledgable incumbent posters because they're getting more short and less tolerable of bullsh!t and peoples feelings are getting hurt. Hardly the way to foster a positive attitude when it comes to contributing is it?

I was going to multiquote you but I decided that might be taken the wrong way in the circumstances.

g'em

Zamboni wrote: »

Some real Clarity on whats an acceptable recommendation would be great and is not really covered in the Charter.
It appears there is no cohesion between the various mods and what they consider acceptable (not a complaint, an observation).

it's a fair observation

This is something we struggle with ourselves tbh - where do you draw the line between helpful recommendations and blatant shilling or advertising? We do try and be as fair and transparent as possible but I can see how it doesn't look like we're singing from the same hymn sheet all the time. It's generally looked at on a case by case basis but personally I'm fine with recommendations - when given in a reasonable volume and not every second post!

Hanley

d'Oracle wrote: »

I was going to multiquote you but I decided that might be taken the wrong way in the circumstances.

For f*ck sake. This is exactly the sort of sh!t I'm talking about.

g'em

Hanley wrote: »

There's been a lot of targeted modding recently at the more knowledgable incumbent posters because they're getting more short and less tolerable of bullsh!t and peoples feelings are getting hurt. Hardly the way to foster a positive attitude when it comes to contributing is it?

When you're a well-known poster you're more likely to get given shít unfortunately, it's the down side to fame To my mind though - and I'm speaking here as a poster not a Mod - when you know that you're someone who people listen to you need to rise above the shíte because it will happen with absolute certainty. Although I really do hear what you're saying, and I understand completely - it's certainly contributed towards my selective contributions of late.

g'em

Hanley wrote: »

For f*ck sake. This is exactly the sort of sh!t I'm talking about.

Ah I don't think it was meant maliciously... I think

d'Oracle

Hanley wrote: »

For f*ck sake. This is exactly the sort of sh!t I'm talking about.

Jesus dude.

I was joking.

Hanley

d'Oracle wrote: »

Jesus dude.

I was joking.

Grrrrrrr see that's the OTHER problem... there's a time for being serious and I was trying to be there in my earlier posts and the jokes started. Andn ow I'm just not arsed anymore.

Tevez101

I've been a lurker here for the past while and I must admit that there is a definite change in atmosphere in the forum.

I wouldn't feel comfortable starting a thread to ask a question here at the moment in fear of posters shooting me down or cracking jokes at my expence. There's been far too many short, snappy and downright ignorant posts here of late.

I've received some fantastic advice here before. The advice was excellent but importanly, the majority of posters were friendly and respectfull.

I think the obvious solution would be to look back at several threads from 6 months ago and compare them to the threads over the last couple of months and see what the major differences are and cut them out. Although as I said, I think the problem is the ignorant posts and cracking jokes at other posters' expence seems to be the main issue.

Just thought you might like to see what this forum has looked to an outsider over the past while.

thanks.

LaHaine

First time poster but I follow the fitness forum quite closely and enjoy a lot of the discussions here.

A lot of the problem, as far as I can see it, is that some people think that they own the place. Just because you post a lot doesnt give you the right to be condescending towards other posters.

The attitude towards new posters is just nasty sometimes and there's no need for it.

I do question the moderation sometimes also. It seems like certain regular posters get away with an awful lot more than others would.

As regards the stickies, I agree with a lot of what has already been said. They need to be streamlined and made more user friendly, but theres some great stuff there well worth keeping

Just my two cents worth, not looking to offend anyone. I enjoy the forum and there is some great info here sometimes. Thats why the other crap annoys me.

Chet Zar

g'em wrote: »

it's a fair observation

This is something we struggle with ourselves tbh - where do you draw the line between helpful recommendations and blatant shilling or advertising? We do try and be as fair and transparent as possible but I can see how it doesn't look like we're singing from the same hymn sheet all the time. It's generally looked at on a case by case basis but personally I'm fine with recommendations - when given in a reasonable volume and not every second post!

Took the words outta my mouth....got to rise above it because it's obvious who the trolls/pedantic ones are and sure today's nuisance is the bane of some other forum tomorrow

As regards shilling/promotion, I've noticed some get their gym/club in more often than others but fair enough as long as they are contributing valuable content at the same time.

Remmy

Its been said before but I think its a real shame that regardless of whose fault it is some of the more experienced hands on here have got sick of posting.I know people might get offended if someone is a bit short or whatever but I wouldnt go up to these people irl ,ask them a question about training and then not listen to what they have to say.Its on a similar lines to asking a ceo about advice about setting up a buisness and then getting all offended if he thinks my buisness plan is flawed..He is the one with the experience and to a certain extent I should just shut up and listen..Ok random rant over..