KPMG's sexism scandal.

LegacyUser

The title of this thread should really be PwC's Sexism Scandal ... the KPMG e-mail was harmless and taken completely out of context! Basically the lad thought it would be funny to write a series of e-mails between himself and another guy discussing one of the girls, and then send it on to her. The whole "whispering" thing was a bit of an in-joke, and the other stuff was just messing. He sent it to her and two a couple of others, she thought it was hilarious and even forwarded it on herself. And then it just ended up being sent outside the firm and around the country ... management took it very seriously and dealt with it at the time - although there was nothing sexist or nasty about the e-mail, it still obviously reflects badly on the firm. But of course it never hit the media at the time, because it's a total non-story! It's only surfacing now because the media saw the common threads - an e-mail "scandal" in a Big Four firm - and decided to make it into something it's clearly not.

Just thought I'd make that point, as I think it's unfair to tar both firms with the same brush as such - the PwC e-mail was clearly very sexist and very disrespecful to the girls involved, whereas the KPMG one was just an in-joke between the people involved, including the girl, which unfortunately got blown out of proportion and deliberately misconstrued by the press. It was silly, and of course the guy was wrong to be doing stuff like that on company time, but there was absolutely nothing nasty or sexist about it.

Fuinseog

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

I'm male. Many moons ago I was approached by a female member of staff, in a National Newspaper I was working in at the time, and was told that the girls "had voted me as having the best arse" in the office. She said it straight to my face, in those words. I felt embarrassed but I also very complimented (I stress it was 1999!!).

I didn't 'do' anything about it, as it didn't bother me that much at all. What I'm trying to illustrate is that this happens "everywhere", both males and females are objectified and categorized by their peers.

What would have been an issue, is if somebody had approached me and said, "we voted you the insert insulting comment x in the office" and that's the difference. I feel really sorry for the girls who had less than complimentary things said about them, and it must be embarrassing for them, but I don't think sacking people is the answer. Discipline them, educate them, and tighten up your I.T. infrastructure. But also, lets not kid ourselves that it doesn't happen.

its only sexist if its against women. only men can be sexist, just like only whites can be racist.

educate them. men and women are equal bull.

safe to say that both men and women check each other out. something the journos in the past week neglected to mention.

LegacyUser

Agreed about the KPMG email, was pretty funny given the girl knew.

The PwC email happens in most other big offices. We've had male versions in a rival firm each year and we've seen the female versions too, it's just a bit of harmless fun. We're just not dumb enough to send it external. The three guys who commented on the mail will be gone along with the sender. The other guys who received will probably receive a slap on the wrist, although I do feel sorry for most of the guys who only received the email. They've been tarred with the same brush although for all we know there's more comments internally.

The girls initially laughed it off apparently but some are now quite rightly annoyed at having their pics splashed across gutter press. I imagine they'll receive some form of compensation for having to endure what they went through.

The majority of the "media" in this country has shown themselves up over the last few days. The absolute cheek of them to take the moral highground over the whole incident yet go ahead and print the pictures anyway to let people view and rate the said girls is disgusting.

Suppose the lesson to come out of all of this is to be more vigilant when clicking the send button on work emails. If it's anyway personal take it to private mail!

AnnyHallsal

Batiste wrote: »

women who engage in porn as an idle watcher is also very rare,today(unless their menfolk encourage them to do so)..

This isn't true. Oprah herself did a special on women's changing attitudes to porn. It certainly isn't 'very rare.'