We Deserve Everything Coming to Us

Augmerson

I've spent the past few hours reading news websites, going over the multitude of threads and posts in politics, after hours, the Irish economy and tbh I'm probably not in the best head to be writing this but I have come to the awful conclusion that we deserve the awful end we are about to recieve. Yes, politicans screwed us, developers and bankers rode us.

But ultimately, we let ourselves down. Politicians will do whatever they can get away with, and for a long time now, politicians in Ireland have realised they can get away with almost anything. Democracy is only healthy if it's citizens engage in it, if they care about what happens to their country. I am not saying we have have not cared about the state of the country, on the contrary, plenty of us, and I do mean PLENTY of us care and still do care, but we didn't make our vote and our voice count, and now it is too late. It is far too late. Our economic sovereignty is gone. Soon enough Brussels is going to decide what we should be doing. There's no use denying it, we are completely and utterly ****ed. I'm not man for economic theory, but the writing is on the wall for whoever wants to read it.

Seriously boys and girls, what the **** are we going to do?

Suggestions are greatly appreciated. Am about to book a ticket out of here for next year.

Midnight_EG

You're only resigning yourself to this fact now...?

Atlantic Dawn

Two thirds of people didn't vote for the current government. The IMF coming in will sort out the public service and vested interests.

phasers

Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

Augmerson

phasers wrote: »

Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

I'll send you a postcard. Runied state on the edge of Europe is still the address right?

dambarude

Define 'we'.

Most of the population under 25 had little or nothing to do with voting in Fianna Fáil, committing their lives to massive mortgages, and living it up to any great extent.

I'll be leaving college at probably one of the worst times possible, the worst in quite a while, and tbh I don't think that that's my fault.

Saying that I do realise that massive cuts and changes will be made, but I'm not prepared to say I 'deserve' it.

fonecrusher1

Hold on a second its the governments job to avoid or limit financial recession. Not the population. They've failed, its as simple as that. Bring on the post budget unrest.

MistyCheese

Woohoo! Coke and hookers for all!

General General

Augmerson wrote: »

I've spent the past few hours reading news websites, going over the multitude of threads and posts in politics, after hours, the Irish economy and tbh I'm probably not in the best head to be writing this but I have come to the awful conclusion that we deserve the awful end we are about to recieve. Yes, politicans screwed us, developers and bankers rode us.

But ultimately, we let ourselves down. Politicians will do whatever they can get away with, and for a long time now, politicians in Ireland have realised they can get away with almost anything. Democracy is only healthy if it's citizens engage in it, if they care about what happens to their country. I am not saying we have have not cared about the state of the country, on the contrary, plenty of us, and I do mean PLENTY of us care and still do care, but we didn't make our vote and our voice count, and now it is too late. It is far too late. Our economic sovereignty is gone. Soon enough Brussels is going to decide what we should be doing. There's no use denying it, we are completely and utterly ****ed. I'm not man for economic theory, but the writing is on the wall for whoever wants to read it.

Seriously boys and girls, what the **** are we going to do?

Suggestions are greatly appreciated. Am about to book a ticket out of here for next year.

Plenty either wasn't/isn't enough or that plenty didn't care enough.

Our economic sovereignty got us where we are today.

starbelgrade

The OP is right. I'm going to shoot myself in the head now.

PeterIanStaker

dambarude wrote: »

Define 'we'.

Most of the population under 25 had little or nothing to do with voting in Fianna Fáil, committing their lives to massive mortgages, and living it up to any great extent.

I'll be leaving college at probably one of the worst times possible in quite a while, and tbh I don't think that that's my fault.

Saying that I do realise that massive cuts and changes will be made, but I'm not prepared to say I 'deserve' it.

Well said. I did the same. Went back to college to get professionally qualified in the hope it would increase my prospects. I never voted for the shower who ran it into the ground. I don't have a mortgage or even a loan.
This collective guilt is a media invention, and we know whose side they're on. I dont deserve it either.

Biggins

starbelgrade wrote: »

The OP is right. I'm going to shoot myself in the head now.

Your shooting yourself in the toilet? :eek:

The Waltzing Consumer

That Irish Times fellow in the other thread is right, there are a lot of people who sound like the Irish equivilant of the Tea Party.

OP, frankly, f**k off then, we will be fine without you.

That_Guy

What are you talking about. We've turned a corner. Cheese for all. We'll be alright. Chin up.

easyeason3

If we continue to let threads like this be posted then yes, we deserve everything coming to us.

montane

Funny to see people denying their links with their FF past. Majority of people I know were FF supporters, of course they dont speak of that now.

The FF 2007 election slogan was "But are you happy?". Are you happy now that an EMF representative is in government buildings tonight ? :pac:

Andy-Pandy

Great stuff, I deserve dancing girls and good time's. Let's go. But in fairness, people should try get on with there day to day lives a bit more instead of making themselves depressed overthinking everything. Live your life, it is what ya make it.

PeterIanStaker

Biggins wrote: »

Your shooting yourself in the toilet? :eek:

Private Pile, you will place that weapon on the deck!!

Misanthrope

What exactly did we do to deserve all this free cheese though.That's what I need to know?

fonecrusher1

In all fairness the free cheese does kind of ease my concerns.

Ya can't beat-a-bitta-chedda. Happy days. lol.

That_Guy

montane wrote: »

Funny to see people denying their links with their FF past. Majority of people I know were FF supporters, of course they dont speak of that now.

The FF 2007 election slogan was "But are you happy?". Are you happy now that an EMF representative is in government buildings tonight ? :pac:

Oi, don't be tarring us all with that brush. I drew cocks on my ballot paper.

Augmerson

dambarude wrote: »

Define 'we'.

Most of the population under 25 had little or nothing to do with voting in Fianna Fáil, committing their lives to massive mortgages, and living it up to any great extent.

I'll be leaving college at probably one of the worst times possible, the worst in quite a while, and tbh I don't think that that's my fault.

Saying that I do realise that massive cuts and changes will be made, but I'm not prepared to say I 'deserve' it.

I was under 25 when the **** started to hit the fan. I never voted Fianna Fail. Never borrowed money and never lived beyond my means. I've had a job since leaving school except for a period of about 6 months which was ****. I do feel for you tbh, it's like this country is in some awful time warp to the 50s again when everybody had to leave.

If the electorate had of stood up more often, things might have been different. Of course, alot of good saying that in hindsight is, but it's the truth.

Rabble Rabble

A very catholic position. Guilt and self-blame. Lets slef-flagelate for a few decades.


No, we dont deserve it. i dont and I dont even live there, but if I did live there I would not "deserve" anything. Paid my taxes. Didnt buy property. and so on.

Personally, I blame the OP.Get the tourches. And pitchforks.

Augmerson

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

A very catholic position. Guilt and self-blame. Lets slef-flagelate for a few decades.

I'm actually Protestant. But this talk of self-flagellation...it's kinky. Continue *rubs self in oil*

easyeason3

Augmerson wrote: »

I was under 25 when the **** started to hit the fan. I never voted Fianna Fail. Never borrowed money and never lived beyond my means. I've had a job since leaving school except for a period of about 6 months which was ****. I do feel for you tbh, it's like this country is in some awful time warp to the 50s again when everybody had to leave.

If the electorate had of stood up more often, things might have been different. Of course, alot of good saying that in hindsight is, but it's the truth.

So is it a clap on the back you want OP? Plenty of people did those things too. Plenty of people scratched their holes. And plenty of people spent money they didn't have.
So mistakes were made. What do you think you are going to achieve here exactly?
What happened in the past has happened but seriously, get the fcuk over it & move on as best you can. Otherwise you might just go a bit do lally.




EDIT: ''What happened in the past has happened'' sounds like a line from George Bush. I apologise, I'm having a very blonde day today.

Doom

I was working with a young apprentice back during the last election, I asked him who he would vote for, he said ff, I asked why?
He said because his family always did.. WTF..I nearly hit him, I ****ed him out of it, and told him to cop on.

That is what's wrong with this country, people like him who are dumb enough to do this cause the family said so.
In a way I'm gald he is getting a hard lesson in life for wasting his vote.

Ronin247

Start our own political party.Enter 4 or 5 candidates in the major cities.Use technology to push hard and get them elected.Control the Dail by having the few votes needed to elect a government.Blackmail whatever party we line up with.

Would it be possible to put 2 or 3 TD's from the Boards party in?? Possibly.If we do not start the revolution now it will never happen.Now is the time because so many people are disillusioned with the current crop of greedy lazy bast*rds.Labour are only doing well in polls because so many die hard FF supporters refuse to vote for FG and so they say they will vote Labour when in truth it is really a protest vote.

Would it be worth throwing a candidate into the Donegal by-election to test the water ???


Biggins for taoiseach!!!!

sesna

easyeason3 wrote: »

What happened in the past has happened but seriously, get the fcuk over it & move on as best you can. Otherwise you might just go a bit do lally.

That's what I plan on doing after FF are forever banished. Until then, I'll just laugh at them stewing in their own juice, so that I may not cry.

bnt

That_Guy wrote: »

What are you talking about. We've turned a corner. Cheese for all. We'll be alright. Chin up.

Cowen: "Éamon de Valera, in the main foyer at Farmleigh, had a two-ton block of cheese."
Harney: "And a Ryvita the size of Lough Neagh!"

Me? I blew in to Ireland 11 years ago, worked (& paid tax) for 8 years, saw trouble coming by 2007 and decided to go to university. No mortgage, no debts, and if I don't find work here after graduation in 2012, I'll leave as quietly as I arrived. A functioning economy, with employment that pays a living wage, is not too much to ask, is it?

OPENROAD

sesna wrote: »

That's what I plan on doing after FF are forever banished. Until then, I'll just laugh at them stewing in their own juice, so that I may not cry.

Wish they were all banished imo

OPENROAD

Ronin247 wrote: »

Start our own political party.Enter 4 or 5 candidates in the major cities.Use technology to push hard and get them elected.Control the Dail by having the few votes needed to elect a government.Blackmail whatever party we line up with.

Would it be possible to put 2 or 3 TD's from the Boards party in?? Possibly.If we do not start the revolution now it will never happen.Now is the time because so many people are disillusioned with the current crop of greedy lazy bast*rds.Labour are only doing well in polls because so many die hard FF supporters refuse to vote for FG and so they say they will vote Labour when in truth it is really a protest vote.

Would it be worth throwing a candidate into the Donegal by-election to test the water ???


Biggins for taoiseach!!!!

No,don't think that would be a good idea

That_Guy

"This country is in the sh*t"

Blah blah blah. Yeah we are all aware of this. But honestly OP, just because you go to a different country do you honestly think everything will just automatically be better? That you'll walk into a well paid job?

Reality check OP. I'm aware that things aren't good in this country but despite that my whole life is here. My job is here. My friends are here and despite all the sh*t that's going down, I like it here.

I'm sick of reading threads/listening to people saying that they're gonna get out because the country is fcuked.

You know what, seriously... Just fcuk off. Stop posting and stop talking and just leave. Nobody cares you're leaving, we know the facts about the country.

Stop posting and actually do something about it FFS.

bryaner

starbelgrade wrote: »

The OP is right. I'm going to shoot myself in the head now.

Can I stand beside you, save a bullet!

starbelgrade

dambarude wrote: »

Define 'we'.

Most of the population under 25 had little or nothing to do with voting in Fianna Fáil, committing their lives to massive mortgages, and living it up to any great extent.

I'll be leaving college at probably one of the worst times possible, the worst in quite a while, and tbh I don't think that that's my fault.

Saying that I do realise that massive cuts and changes will be made, but I'm not prepared to say I 'deserve' it.

Whilst I understand that the under 25's were mostly not in a position to have a say at the ballot boxes to any great extent, you should also note that the majority of people in the country didn't actually vote for Fianna Fail & they only managed to form the last three governments by forming coalitions with other parties.

In fact, less than half the people in the country voted for them.

Also, even when times were good, not everybody benefited & not everyone was living it up. It is true that many people got caught in the property trap & whilst there always has to be a certain amount of personal responsibility attached to this, most of these people did not do so out of any form of greed, but simply to buy houses in which to lay down roots & raise families.

The systems which should have protected them - ie., the banks, politicians & financial regulator, seriously let these people down & out of all these people the only ones who will actually pay any real price are the ones who bought the houses. This to me seems highly unfair. Yes - there is personal responsibility, but the other players in the property game also have responsibilities which they are allowed to walk away from, scott free.

You are leaving college now & facing into an uncertain future, but you are actually one of the lucky ones as you have options.... there are literally thousands of people who are now out of work, in debt & may never work again, or at least not for a long time.

You're young enough to take a year or two to work abroad & to be honest - having done it myself for a few years - it's probably the best thing any young person can do, in terms of discovering new things & fending for yourself, away from the safety of home & family.

No - you don't "deserve" it, as you say, but equally, you are also not entitled to walk out of college & straight into a job. The last 10 years or so were probably the only time in Irish history when that kind of thing happened. Everyone else before that actually had to work hard to find a job & get experience and a lot of them are the ones who are still working now as they always had a work ethic, as opposed to younger people who got handed jobs on a plate & who are now bitching & whining about having the plate removed from the table, instead of putting the heads down & finding or working their way through what is, essentially, just an economic slump and not the end of the entire world.

charlemont

Doom wrote: »

I was working with a young apprentice back during the last election, I asked him who he would vote for, he said ff, I asked why?
He said because his family always did.. WTF..I nearly hit him, I ****ed him out of it, and told him to cop on.

That is what's wrong with this country, people like him who are dumb enough to do this cause the family said so.
In a way I'm gald he is getting a hard lesson in life for wasting his vote.

Same thing happened in 2007 to me as well, this lad just gone 18 said he will vote FF ,i asked why ? "sure im not voting for losers" was his response. Same guy have nothing now, his parents business are closed too.. Iv always had an interest in history so theres no way i ever voted for them muppets, or the greens or PDs, just the same old crap with them, now were done for again..

bryaner

easyeason3 wrote: »

So is it a clap on the back you want OP? Plenty of people did those things too. Plenty of people scratched their holes. And plenty of people spent money they didn't have.
So mistakes were made. What do you think you are going to achieve here exactly?
What happened in the past has happened but seriously, get the fcuk over it & move on as best you can. Otherwise you might just go a bit do lally.




EDIT: ''What happened in the past has happened'' sounds like a line from George Bush. I apologise, I'm having a very blonde day today.

War is a dangerous place!

yoshytoshy

A lot of people work best under pressure ,it's the backseaters that will suffer the most.

Thats the best I can come up with

Wolfe Tone

Posting ignorance and stupidity since 2001!

Hmmm

dambarude

starbelgrade wrote: »

Whilst I understand that the under 25's were mostly not in a position to have a say at the ballot boxes to any great extent, you should also note that the majority of people in the country didn't actually vote for Fianna Fail & they only managed to form the last three governments by forming coalitions with other parties. etc.

I agree with everything you say starbelgrade.

I most certainly do not feel that I should walk into a job, and I know more than anyone that I won't walk into a job. The last 10 years were totally unrealistic. But that doesn't mean that the next 10 years will just be a return to normality, it'll be much farther south of what would be considered 'normal' in any other sustainably developed country. I'm not angry that the bubble and all that came with isn't continuing, I'm angry that the aftermath that comes with the popping of the bubble leaves the country in a much worse position than if we had never the bubble in the first place.

And I'm also very aware of the fact that more people didn't vote for FF and everything they stood for than who actually did vote for them.

orourkeda

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Two thirds of people didn't vote for the current government. The IMF coming in will sort out the public service and vested interests.

One third did that's the problem

orourkeda

The whole celtic tiger now seems like such a con.

It was either completely mismanaged, was built on borrowed money or never really existed as it was portrayed.

Either way the people who made little or nothing from it will have to carry the can for the failings and mistakes of the so called elite who have ridden us all in the sphinc.

montane

orourkeda wrote: »

One third did that's the problem

FF have infested every level of society. From FF stuffing the judicial system with their own appointeses, right down through a huge majority of people in civil service, etc who can attribute their livelihood not to merit, but to having support for FF. It's little wonder FF still have a core support of 20% despite wrecking the country.

FF are too deeply imbedded into the DNA of the most inbred and gobsh*te element of our population. As for the obsequiousness of the rest of their supporters, maybe its some form Stockholm syndrome.

orourkeda

montane wrote: »

FF have infested every level of society. From FF stuffing the judicial system with their own appointeses, right down through a huge majority of people in civil service, etc who can attribute their livelihood not to merit, but to having support for FF. It's little wonder FF still have a core support of 20% despite wrecking the country. FF are too deeply imbedded into the DNA of the most inbred and gobsh*te element of our population. As for the rest of their support, maybe its obsequiousness resulting from Stockholm syndrome.

Hence we may have to suffer them for more time to come. Maybe not at the next election but at some stage in the future.

Mr Benevolent

Augmerson wrote: »

I'll send you a postcard. Runied state on the edge of Europe is still the address right?

No, that's Portugal. You're way off.

punchdrunk

My vote goes to turning the whole fecking joint into a tax free zone,like a giant Bermuda

punchdrunk

orourkeda wrote: »

The whole celtic tiger now seems like such a con.

It was either completely mismanaged, was built on borrowed money or never really existed as it was portrayed.

Either way the people who made little or nothing from it will have to carry the can for the failings and mistakes of the so called elite who have ridden us all in the sphinc.

the celtic tiger was a sandcastle built on a big greedy block of ice-cream in the middle of july

orourkeda

punchdrunk wrote: »

My vote goes to turning the whole fecking joint into a tax free zone,like a giant Bermuda

Bermuda Triangle more like

Misanthrope

Augmerson wrote: »

I'm actually Protestant. But this talk of self-flagellation...it's kinky. Continue *rubs self in oil*

A real Protestant or CoI?;)

yoshytoshy

From a tiger to a pussy ,fu*k that.

punchdrunk

orourkeda wrote: »

Bermuda Triangle more like

I believe that when we go looking for them alot of Irish financial records & files will have been "lost"

montane

punchdrunk wrote: »

I believe that when we go looking for them alot of Irish financial records & files will have been "lost"

Amazing the amount of floods and fires that occured in various banks and institutions when various tribunals looked for documents of vital importance.