Scientology-should it be destroyed?

Capt'n Midnight

General Zod wrote: »

Actually, Hubbard does explain this in one of the lectures he gave where he mentions the subject.

Why a DC8 was the shape of a DC8 was because the designers were influenced by their thetans memories of the flight, so lots of things on Earth were designed as a result of these memories. He had a specific word for these things which I can't remember.

Almost all jet airliners follow the same pattern

a pressurised tube with hemispherical ends
at the front add a bump for the radar
at the tail add a cone for aerodynamics, angle the cone upwards so it don't scrape on the ground
wings - about 30 degrees of sweep back because you are cruising at Mach 0.8 - 0.9
engines stick two engines 1/3 of the way along the wings - if the engines aren't big enough add more at 2/3 of the way

space planes tend to travel above Mach 1
above Mach 1 you have to follow the area rule , at higher speeds this rule needs to be modified to follow shock waves
put simply you can't use a cylinder as a fuselage above Mach 1 unless you modify the wings a lot or use lots of power

supersonic jet fighters normally don't fly above the speed of sound and so aren't optimised for it - the fourteen concordes that entered commercial service between them have more supersonic hours than ALL other manned aircraft put together


in short if it looks like a DC8 it's not a space plane

(though in fairness one DC8 did go supersonic in a dive , but it has to be admitted that so did a flying boat)

yes I have read Battlefield Earth and the science stuff in it was awful , ignoring little things like entropy and the way elements are generated in supernova - stuff that if true would require a universe uninhabitable by ourselves. yes it is a work of fiction, but if you can't get the basics right ...

Capt'n Midnight

Scientology is a pyramid scheme. The money flows upwards.

themadhair

Funglegunk wrote: »

Thats not strictly true. The methods they use to indoctrinate people are specifically designed for people with an above average IQ. They can be EXTREMELY persuasive apparently, which is why I will never, ever take a Scientology personality test.

I can tell you a story that illustrates just how effective this can be. When we got out hands on an e-meter we were doing mock stress tests and the like, to illustrate to the public how the scam worked. When we got word that the CoS were doing stress tests up in Nutt’s Corner we popped down for the day to do our own mock stress tests. Most people were up for it so we weren’t going to be short of volunteers. One woman volunteered and, it went horribly wrong.

One of the tricks used in the test is to ask the person to think of different people in their lives. You then wait for the e-meter to register a reaction. The trick is to then use the e-meter as if it were a ‘scientific’ tool that had registered stress regarding whom the person had though of. This can be quite effective if the person buys into your patter. Unfortunately, on this day in Nutt’s Corner this was a little too true. The woman in question had recently lost her mother a few weeks before. When she though of her mother, and still being in grief over her loss, she clutched the e-meter tins tightly which caused the e-meter needle to have a spasm. In that moment the woman believed that the e-meter had detected this and that it was capable of helping her grief. I tried my best to explain what was going on without much success. Her friend understood what was happening but even she couldn’t make this woman see the scam.

Even though we were only doing mock stress tests, it was more than enough to completely break this poor woman. Had I been part of the CoS I could have sold practically anything such was the state this woman was in. Here was a woman who was quite bright but, due to having had a recent bereavement, was completely vulnerable to this type of test.

Ever since that day we have not done any more mock stress tests. No matter how much you tell someone it is a scam and not matter how much you explain it, if you find their ‘ruin’ you will still end up breaking them. No matter who you are you are still human, and ergo have hopes, wants, dreams, insecurities, failures and all the other traits that humanity brings. The very things that make you human are also the very thing a stress test tries to use against you.

It is very easy to brush off things like this and tell yourself that only ‘weak minded’ people fall for it. When you look at this for long enough and start to understand how it works then you begin to see just how false the ‘weak minded’ thesis really is.

General Zod wrote: »

…so lots of things on Earth were designed as a result of these memories. He had a specific word for these things which I can't remember.

He called them ‘R6 implants’. According to Hubbard pretty much every design and fashion and device is due to us dramatising these R6 memories. This is the big secret of OT3. You can get a taste of it here from one of the promo videos:
COS WEBSITE LINKED
http://www.aosheurope.eu/videos/flashvideo/ot3eng.html

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

in short if it looks like a DC8 it's not a space plane
…
yes I have read Battlefield Earth and the science stuff in it was awful , ignoring little things like entropy and the way elements are generated in supernova - stuff that if true would require a universe uninhabitable by ourselves. yes it is a work of fiction, but if you can't get the basics right ...

You are applying logic and scientific reasoning to a person who was a scientific illiterate. Just sayin':
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7733/hubbardschoolresults.jpg

Seaneh

themadhair,

were in the world are you?
Would it be possible for me to get a look at that e-meter you have at some stage?
Maybe take a few photos/videos of it?

Misanthrope

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Almost all jet airliners follow the same pattern

a pressurised tube with hemispherical ends
at the front add a bump for the radar
at the tail add a cone for aerodynamics, angle the cone upwards so it don't scrape on the ground
wings - about 30 degrees of sweep back because you are cruising at Mach 0.8 - 0.9
engines stick two engines 1/3 of the way along the wings - if the engines aren't big enough add more at 2/3 of the way

space planes tend to travel above Mach 1
above Mach 1 you have to follow the area rule , at higher speeds this rule needs to be modified to follow shock waves
put simply you can't use a cylinder as a fuselage above Mach 1 unless you modify the wings a lot or use lots of power

supersonic jet fighters normally don't fly above the speed of sound and so aren't optimised for it - the fourteen concordes that entered commercial service between them have more supersonic hours than ALL other manned aircraft put together


in short if it looks like a DC8 it's not a space plane

(though in fairness one DC8 did go supersonic in a dive , but it has to be admitted that so did a flying boat)

yes I have read Battlefield Earth and the science stuff in it was awful , ignoring little things like entropy and the way elements are generated in supernova - stuff that if true would require a universe uninhabitable by ourselves. yes it is a work of fiction, but if you can't get the basics right ...

Also you'd have to wonder , if a DC8 is a spaceworthy ride,why didn't Ron forget the SeaCorp nonsense and buy a DC8 , a few rocket engines, a packed lunch and go off into space to sort out this Xenu chap once and for all?SpaceCorp.Who wouldn't sign up for that?

Misanthrope

You are applying logic and scientific reasoning to a person who was a scientific illiterate. Just sayin':
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7733/hubbardschoolresults.jpg

LMAO
That pretty much sums LRH up.His best grades were PE, Storytelling and English Rhetoric and Mech Drawing.In everything else he is at or beyond the point of failure.

Misanthrope

General Zod wrote: »

Actually, Hubbard does explain this in one of the lectures he gave where he mentions the subject.

Why a DC8 was the shape of a DC8 was because the designers were influenced by their thetans memories of the flight, so lots of things on Earth were designed as a result of these memories. He had a specific word for these things which I can't remember.

McDonnell Douglas made many aircraft before the DC 8.It wasn't a bolt from the blue.It was high tech for the time and had an unusual engine configuration.LRH took state of the art and embellished it to fit in his fantasy story

It was similar enough to its competitor the Boeing 707 to be able to adopt the same engine scheme.So were Boeing engineers influenced by thetans too?

It is notable that a man with LRHs scientific and mathematical abilities or lack thereof,would instinctively veer away from the notion that maybe years of development ,trial and error,and the laws of gravity might have been responsible for the plane's evolution all the way from Kitty Hawke and onto the DC-9 and 10 and so on.

If you look at their planes on a timeline basis the passage of evolution is clear and smooth.There is no sign of extra-galactical interjection in their design flow.

I sometimes wonder if Scientology is a club for people who persistently failed at math,physics, chemistry and biology and who always will.You would have to be out of your mind to believe that tripe.

It's just another cult based on guilt and atonement,just like Christianity and all that other rubbish.Religions are cults.There is no distinction.

Nailz

fulhamfanincork wrote: »

Will Smith and Tom Cruise are Scientologists...;)

You're wrong, Will Smith isn't a Scientologist, he studied Scientology, but his religion is Christianity. Just because I might have studied Greek mythology doesn't mean I worship Zeus now, does it?

Anyway, **** religion.

InTheTrees

Scientologist's are creepy and weird.

themadhair

Seaneh wrote: »

Would it be possible for me to get a look at that e-meter you have at some stage?
Maybe take a few photos/videos of it?

Should be possible. It is looking like our next protest will be the 27th on Abbey Street. Thing isn’t charging at moment though.

Nailz wrote: »

You're wrong, Will Smith isn't a Scientologist

He really is. Someone who studies it briefly doesn’t pick up the shibboleths he has done. That only comes from more hardcore involvement. Then there is the small matter that he has opened and funded a Scientology school. Sorry to break your image of the fresh prince, but he has swallowed the flavour aid:
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/06/30/2008-06-30_report_will_smiths_new_village_academy_a.html

Irish Guitarist

If people want to hand over their money it's their choice. No one is forcing them to join.

I don't really get why this particular cult is so popular though. What is it about it that makes so many film stars and celebrities follow it?

themadhair

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

If people want to hand over their money it's their choice.

That word ‘choice’ is an interesting one. Let’s take come examples of ‘choices’ and see if it breaks shall we?

- A couple have been saving up for years for their retirement. They weren’t well off but, by careful and diligent planning, they have managed to acquire themselves a decent nest egg. Unfortunately for them the bank they were with went belly up and they lost all their money. Of course there was nothing wrong with this since it was their ‘choice’ to have handed over their hard-earned money.

- Tourist is visiting Dublin and gets mugged. The muggers offer him a simple ‘choice’. Either he hands over his money or they cut his balls off. He ‘chooses’ to hand over his money. Since it was his ‘choice’ there is no problem right?

- Business man is approached with an investment opportunity. He decides to invest but, unfortunately for him, he was investing in a non-existent company which promptly made off with all his cash. But he voluntarily handed over his money. So if it was his ‘choice’ there is no problem right?

The word ‘choice’ assumes a few things. It assumes the chooser has full information about what they are choosing. It also assumes that they are not being subjected to coercion when they make their choice. If these factors are indeed present then is it really a ‘choice’?

What is it about it that makes so many film stars and celebrities follow it?

For the CoS to get their claws into someone they have to find their ‘ruin’. This is the insecurity that can be used to recruit a given person. For many celebrities the isolation from the wider world combined with the pressures of public life can leave them with very obvious, and very exploitable, ‘ruins’. From as far back as 1955 when Hubbard first put ‘Project Celebrity’ into place the CoS have specifically targeted such. Tapping into the obvious ‘ruins’, combined with suitable pampering at the CoS ‘Celebrity Centres’, is a very powerful combination.

General Zod

Misanthrope wrote: »

McDonnell Douglas made many aircraft before the DC 8.It wasn't a bolt from the blue.It was high tech for the time and had an unusual engine configuration.LRH took state of the art and embellished it to fit in his fantasy story

It was similar enough to its competitor the Boeing 707 to be able to adopt the same engine scheme.So were Boeing engineers influenced by thetans too?

It is notable that a man with LRHs scientific and mathematical abilities or lack thereof,would instinctively veer away from the notion that maybe years of development ,trial and error,and the laws of gravity might have been responsible for the plane's evolution all the way from Kitty Hawke and onto the DC-9 and 10 and so on.

I 100% agree with you, I only mentioned it as an example of Hubbards nonsense.

Capt'n Midnight

themadhair wrote: »

You are applying logic and scientific reasoning to a person who was a scientific illiterate. Just sayin':
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7733/hubbardschoolresults.jpg

LOL

I'm just saying that for someone who claimed to have to have echos of an advanced civilization it don't seem to be that advanced.

Back in the twenties and thirties everyone knew that Altantis and Lemuria had airships (not sure about Mu). Because they looked like the technology of the future.

keano_afc

biko wrote: »

All religions must be destroyed.

Welcome to boards.ie, Kim Jong-Il.