Left wing groups hijack protest

Yesterdays student march was hijacked by left wing protesters....why do the various left wing groups do this...

Do they think if they hijack someone else's protest it might inspire a mass uprising or something.

If they believe they have widespread support why aren't they organizing their own march.

Do they have a point or are is agitation for the sake of agitation.

Celly Smunt

mariaalice wrote: »

Yesterdays student march was hijacked by left wing protesters....why do the various left wing groups do this...

Do they think if they hijack someone else's protest it might inspire a mass uprising or something.

If they believe they have widespread support why aren't they organizing their own march.

Do they have a point or are is agitation for the sake of agitation.

they do organise their own shít stirs marches

TheZohanS

Left wing marches will inevitably hold the risk of being hijacked by left wing protesters.

20Cent

The left wing are the only ones who have been organising marches so far. Been loads of them. They don't get reported o though unless there is a bit of violence.

When is the right wing march?

melekalikimaka

left wingers... hijacking marches... what has the country come to.

gurramok

They still believe in revolution. "Uprising against the elite" lark.

Celly Smunt

gurramok wrote: »

They still believe in revolution. "Uprising against the elite" lark.

maybe they should go the right way about it,I.R.A style,car bombs and all that

Snakeblood

20Cent wrote: »

The left wing are the only ones who have been organising marches so far. Been loads of them. They don't get reported o though unless there is a bit of violence.

When is the right wing march?

Right wingers tend to have jobs.

prinz

Answer:

mariaalice wrote: »

agitation for the sake of agitation.

Gobshítes.

phasers

I hope they hijack the pensioner protests

hobochris

pmcmahon wrote: »

maybe they should go the right way about it,I.R.A style,car bombs and all that

don't give them idea's..

gurramok

Why has there been no centrist march yet? It would be the most peaceful as they are compromising

Celly Smunt

gurramok wrote: »

Why has there been no centrist march yet? It would be the most peaceful as they are compromising

you mean a facist-communist march? :eek:

orourkeda

Snakeblood wrote: »

Right wingers tend to have jobs.

Like Silvio Berlusconi.

Riamfada

gurramok wrote: »

They still believe in revolution. "Uprising against the elite" lark.

They were going to storm the winter palace but it was too cold,so they just went home to Stillorgan.

iamstop

I don't beleive violence is the way forward but some people obviously fee they have no toher way to be 'heard', so they lash out.
But in fairness I was there and the garda were way too heavy handed imo. Also to note, I've been banned from the politics thread for a month for 'posting videos and not engaging in discussion' or something. Censorship?

scientific1982

Maybe they were lending their support to the students cause. Up the reds.

orourkeda

pmcmahon wrote: »

you mean a facist-communist march? :eek:

Strikes a lovely balance. That will keep the riot squad happy too.

Celly Smunt

iamstop wrote: »

I don't beleive violence is the way forward but some people obviously fee they have no toher way to be 'heard', so they lash out.
But in fairness I was there and the garda were way too heavy handed imo. Also to note, I've been banned from the politics thread for a month for 'posting videos and not engaging in discussion' or something. Censorship?

i think the guards done a spot on job tbh.

Calibos

This kind of thing has always happened and on a grand scale too. General protests against the Shah in Iran hijacked by the Islamic Fundies and Protests against the Tsar in Russia hijacked by the communists

maglite

Does left wing mean scum bag?

They are an example of any of students who are, but should not be, in university.

Celly Smunt

maglite wrote: »

Does left wing mean scum bag?

They are an example of any of students who are, but should not be, in university.

there are a lot of people who are but should not be in university,you could be a scumbag? who knows..

Bottle_of_Smoke

Silent protests achieve nothing.

prinz

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Silent protests achieve nothing.

Throwing half empty beer cans at gardaí achieves the same.

Celly Smunt

prinz wrote: »

Throwing half empty beer cans at gardaí achieves the same.

full ones would have been a lot better,typical students though take half and complain they can't have the rest

Wolfe Tone

Presumably some of them were students too....

Healium

They "hijacked" the protest? :pac: Yeah, and the CAO website was "attacked", and Aslan had their covers album downloaded 35,726,489 times :P

The USI has some 'splainin' to do!

SeaFields

pmcmahon wrote: »

i think the guards done a spot on job tbh.

It has been speculated on here a few times that the Gardai were preparing for any upcoming civil unrest with increased riot control training. Anecdotal evidence suggested they were... I think we got our definitive answer yesterday.

stovelid

This is the regrettably logical conclusion of the constant message of violent civic disobedience and Trotskyist exhortations to storm the Dail promulgated to the students of Ireland via AH by Biggins and his communist acolytes.

I hope you're all very proud of yourselves. For shame.


:pac:

Bottle_of_Smoke

prinz wrote:

Throwing half empty beer cans at gardaí achieves the same.

They've registered their point that fee increases will lead to violence. Should the government introduce fees of 3K they'll know there''ll be a bigger protest they'll have to pay for. If there'd been a silent hippy protest the government wouldn't have to give a second thought to hiking up the fees.

I am actually pro-fees if a fair repayment plan is in place. However the government haven't even entertained this notion and have indicated an upfront fee of 3K a year is likely.

If the government do that I wouldn't condemn students for repeating the protest with petrol bombs.

Snakeblood

orourkeda wrote: »

Like Silvio Berlusconi.

Well, yes. I'm actually leftwing myself, but the people who tend to be out protesting (students, OAPs, the Unemployed) tend not to have jobs. If we cut down to each group:

1: Students tend to be quite left wing.
2: OAPs are people who had jobs but have retired and are protesting cuts. As likely to be right wing as not, but outside our target sample, as they have no claims on their time.
3: The Unemployed: quite likely to have left wing sympathies, in terms of redistribution of wealth, simply because they have less wealth.

I'd love to be Silvio, fwiw.

Diapason

I work on Merrion Square and saw some of the shenanigans yesterday. "Left wing groups" doesn't quite portray what I saw. "Scumbags acting like scumbags" would be closer to the truth, and I don't think being "left wing" had anything to do with it. They could have been neo-nazis for all anyone knows.

In other news, the number of placards with spelling mistakes was...eye-opening.

orourkeda

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Silent protests achieve nothing.

Violent protests gives a protesters opposition a metaphorical stick to bet them over the head with.

Never has the adage dont get mad get even been more true

orourkeda

Diapason wrote: »

I work on Merrion Square and saw some of the shenanigans yesterday. "Left wing groups" doesn't quite portray what I saw. "Scumbags acting like scumbags" would be closer to the truth, and I don't think being "left wing" had anything to do with it. They could have been neo-nazis for all anyone knows.

In other news, the number of placards with spelling mistakes was...eye-opening.

That's not surprising.

You dont expect third level students to articulate their ideas in well formed sentences with correctly spelt words do you?

melekalikimaka

Snakeblood wrote: »

1: Students tend to be quite left wing.

once full fees are reintroduced, i'm sure that will change

sensibleken

Its always been like this.

i remember organising marches and left wing events and having to make extra carefull that the socialist workers party didnt hear about it.

No matter what youre marching for, be it a positive or negetive thing they will turn up with lodspeakers and flags, drown out everybody else involved and imediately f*ck up whatever was being protested due to the public perception that its those whingers whinging about something again.

they seem to think protesting is the be all and end all of politics

Snakeblood

melekalikimaka wrote: »

once full fees are reintroduced, i'm sure that will change

Full fees being the full cost of the course? Is that back?

Lightshow

Left wing??

I watched some of those students being interviewed for the news that evening. They were "loike totally disgusted loike that university fees were even loike being considered".

One brat even claimed that "Daddy can probably afford to put me through college" but she wasn't sure about her younger brother.

I didn't see any lefties on the street that day. All I saw were spoilt brats living out of Daddy's (right wing) wallet, worried that college fees might just spell the end of their presumed right for a Mini convertable on their 21st birthday!

Get a job and work your way through college like thousands of us have in the past.

Riamfada

The best I heard was on the news late last night

"like parents wont be able to afford to send their children to college... well like not like ... my parents, but other parents might not be able to send their children to college"

stovelid

Lightshow wrote: »

I watched some of those students being interviewed for the news that evening. They were "loike totally disgusted loike that university fees were even loike being considered".

Most people on the Irish left talk like this?

Bottle_of_Smoke

Grimes wrote: »

The best I heard was on the news late last night

"like parents wont be able to afford to send their children to college... well like not like ... my parents, but other parents might not be able to send their children to college"

I don't see your issue with that quote. Fair play to her

Diapason

You have to be poor and talk with a salt-of-the-earth accent to be left-wing now?

prinz

Diapason wrote: »

You have to be poor and talk with a salt-of-the-earth accent to be left-wing now?

I'd hazard a guess that 80% of them wouldn't know one wing from the other. It was just a day out, nothing more.

Diapason

Agree with that. Still, most truly left-wing people I know are actually quite wealthy, or at the very least comfortable.

The best protest ....the give the dail a dirty look protest ... didn't get much publicity but made me laugh.

As for the people trotting out the myth that all student are wealthy and living off daddy's money ..about 50% of student receive the grant or part of the grant...

Standman

I don't think protests help much just on their own, they kind of just act as an exclamation point on whatever the issue may be. The bigger the protest, the bigger that mark becomes. It's up to lobby groups and such to have effects on policy, and they can use the protests as a demonstration of the public will in whatever area.

The idea that having a big protest will change anything in and of itself is naive, but its part of a bigger system to influence change and it can help the process be regarded more seriously, that's all!

sligopark

SeaFields wrote: »

It has been speculated on here a few times that the Gardai were preparing for any upcoming civil unrest with increased riot control training. Anecdotal evidence suggested they were... I think we got our definitive answer yesterday.

My M8 is a guard - and they have been 'refreshing' crowd control alot in the recent months and will be recruited toward areas away from their base and home.

pmcmahon wrote: »

i think the guards done a spot on job tbh.

remember the riots on o'connell street about the orange marches? didn't see the powers that be set dogs on protesters nor corral people with horses - wtf do they think they are to set dogs on protesters?

Nothing more likely to breed trouble than people threatened with batons, dogs and horses

Wouldn't mind but to send out guards who too are browned off with the cuts in their pay is not working toward a winner either

More guards would have been the answer rather than cheap it out - send less guards (whose kids may have been in the crowd) and send dogs in?

who made this decision deserves pulling up - shameful decision

dxhound2005

These students will be professional people in a few years "auditing" banks or helping you to fiddle your taxes if you're rich. They are just continuing a fine tradition of protest which lapsed for a while. You have to look back to a golden age of left wing student protest featuring the likes of Kevin Myers, Joe Duffy and Ruari Quinn.

evercloserunion

Grimes wrote: »

The best I heard was on the news late last night

"like parents wont be able to afford to send their children to college... well like not like ... my parents, but other parents might not be able to send their children to college"

So you think that because she can afford to go to college she is duty-bound to be as selfish as possible and sh*t on everyone else?

Don't judge us all by your standards!

evercloserunion

dxhound2005 wrote: »

These students will be professional people in a few years "auditing" banks or helping you to fiddle your taxes if you're rich. They are just continuing a fine tradition of protest which lapsed for a while. You have to look back to a golden age of left wing student protest featuring the likes of Kevin Myers, Joe Duffy and Ruari Quinn.

If you have proof that Kevin Myers, Joe Duffy and/or Ruari Quinn helped anyone to fiddle their taxes we'd love to hear it. Until then, you might do well to grow up a bit.

Dudess

I know a lot of protestors can be pains in the arse, but the "Oh noez left-wing!!!" bandwagon are too.