'Women only' groups

Trog

Right, from the off, I don't want to start a battle of the sexes here. But this is an issue where I'm honestly divided, the lines here seem to be blurry at best.

I'm a man, and I'm hearing about more and more women-only groups in the media. There's women only gyms, women only book clubs, and today I heard about a women only marijuana advocate group in California.
Surely there's something amiss here? I understand that in certain circumstances it makes sense to have this- the gym is somewhere a woman might feel intimidated by men perving on them, for example, fair enough. I only wish there was a 'no d**khead gym for me to go to.

The thing is, say I was to start a men only book club, for example. I'd be chastised for it and there'd be outrage. I wouldn't be able to go on Sean Moncrieff's radio show (where I heard the California thing) saying things like "Well, a lot of men don't like the image associated with book clubs, so I'm starting one where there's a safe environment for them" etc. I'd be abused off the airwaves. And proper order it would be too.

This kind of behavior draws attention to distinctions which we should be moving on from. Yes, women and men are different, but the more attention we draw to these differences, the more people are going to treat women and men as different.

Obviously this applies to all kinds of distinctions, but this one is the most prevalent in my opinion. You're far less likely to come across a 'Japanese people only' group, for example.

Mods: I'm not sure if AH is the right place for this, apologies if you have to move it.

K-9

Portmarnock Golf Club, Freemasonry, Knights of Columbanus?

Not my cup of tea but they do exist!

Black Swan

Pulls up chair, makes popcorn, and waits for entertaining posts...

FrostyJack

The difference is you wouldn't hear uproar over women only groups because most men wouldn't want to go there in the first place, whereas at men only groups women will want to go as they are nosey lunts well that and Lisa Simpson syndrome....

OutlawPete

Nothing whatsoever wrong with women discriminating against men.

Oh wait, no .. there is.

fonecrusher1

Women only groups eh?

/automatically imagines a bunch of sexy lesbians in a room. Its a warm room, the radiators are stuck at a very high temperature. One by one all the women start removing their clothes.....

brendansmith

Fcuk em, I wonder if will still be women only when they block up the crapper at their little book clubs. Cnuts

Sheeps

Women have women only groups, men have men only jobs.

Sheeps

its just the way it works

brendansmith

Really? You think?

brendansmith

Yeah, Guess youre right!

Sheeps

think of the number of jobs that only men can do vs the number of jobs that only women can do

FrostyJack

Sheeps wrote: »

think of the number of jobs that only men can do vs the number of jobs that only women can do

Can you list them please?

OutlawPete

Another thing that bugs me, is "Ladies Nights" ..

Alchemy had one of these recently and it was:

"LADIES, FREE ENTRY ALL NIGHT".

Granted, I was happy at 1am when the place was packed with the sexy ladies .. but at 11pm on my way in, I sure wished I'd brought my stilettos and wig with me :mad:

Trog

K-9 wrote: »

Portmarnock Golf Club, Freemasonry, Knights of Columbanus?

Not my cup of tea but they do exist!

I don't agree with these either, but that's beside the point. The first two of these groups (never heard of the knights of Columbanus) have both received a hell of a lot of criticism for their sexist policies. And these 'men only' jobs get a lot of similar coverage about how wrong the sexist attitudes are. And with just cause. But other groups are allowed discriminate in the exact same way with no one batting an eyelid.

PS. I did have hopes for funny responses when I started this, but also interested in real responses.

policarp

If women want to have women only groups, let them.
If men want to have men only groups, let them.
If you want to start a nudist colony, then take off your clothes.
It's only when one group starts plotting against other group/s that I would see a problem.

Einhard

You mean we let girls post in AH?!:eek:















euuuuuuwwwwww coooooties

Links234

Loads of areas are separate for men and women, toilets, changing rooms, locker rooms, different sections in shops. are you saying that everything should be unisex? absolutely everything?
or is it another after hours "have a go at women" thread?

K-9

Trog wrote: »

I don't agree with these either, but that's beside the point. The first two of these groups (never heard of the knights of Columbanus) have both received a hell of a lot of criticism for their sexist policies. And these 'men only' jobs get a lot of similar coverage about how wrong the sexist attitudes are. And with just cause. But other groups are allowed discriminate in the exact same way with no one batting an eyelid.

PS. I did have hopes for funny responses when I started this, but also interested in real responses.

Tbh, I wouldn't agree with those 3 examples either, just pointing them out!

Both sides are worthy of criticism IMO!

Freemasonry and the Knights tend to get criticism for other reasons!

Sheeps

FrostyJack wrote: »

Can you list them please?

To name a few:

Comedian (women are just not funny)
Soldier (obvious)
Fishermen
Bouncers

donfers

K-9 wrote: »

Portmarnock Golf Club, Freemasonry, Knights of Columbanus?

Not my cup of tea but they do exist!

yes and they get major criticism for it


by the way weren't you going along with all the ladies lounge regulars who said they hated it when they were complaining about something and then some rascal would barge in and give an equivalent complaint that affected males


we're all as bad as each other, but it's those smugly self-righteous dogmatic types that are the worst (not saying you are one by the way)

FrostyJack

Sheeps wrote: »

To name a few:

Comedian (women are just not funny)
Soldier (obvious)
Fishermen
Bouncers

I hope you are joking or drunk or both.

Trog

Links234 wrote: »

Loads of areas are separate for men and women, toilets, changing rooms, locker rooms, different sections in shops. are you saying that everything should be unisex? absolutely everything?
or is it another after hours "have a go at women" thread?

In my first post I said there obviously were reasonable circumstances. And at the end of it I clarified that it isn't an anti-women thing, it's an anti-separatist thing.
If there's no REAL reason to exclude people, then they shouldn't be excluded. Granted the lines get fuzzy around what's a real reason, hence the room for discussion.
All I'm saying is that in my opinion there's a lot of unnecessary division of this type.

fonecrusher1

Sheeps wrote: »

To name a few:

Comedian (women are just not funny) Thats your opinion
Soldier (obvious) There are female soldiers??
Fishermen - that the best you can come up with?
Bouncers There are female bouncers??

So you feel angry because theres not many female fisherpeople? Its such a high profile easy job as well.:rolleyes: Troll.

donfers

OutlawPete wrote: »

Another thing that bugs me, is "Ladies Nights" ..

Alchemy had one of these recently and it was:

"LADIES, FREE ENTRY ALL NIGHT".

Granted, I was happy at 1am when the place was packed with the sexy ladies .. but at 11pm on my way in, I sure wished I'd brought my stilettos and wig with me :mad:

ya it's intriguing how they'll overlook the equal rights agenda on certain occassions

K-9

donfers wrote: »

yes and they get major criticism for it


by the way weren't you going along with all the ladies lounge regulars who said they hated it when they were complaining about something that a guy would barge in and give an equivalent complaint that affected males


we're all as bad as each other, but it's those smugly self-righteous dogmatic types that are the worst (not saying you are one by the way)

Nope, not me.

Interesting take though. 1 poster posted an opinion, nobody agreed with the poster, nobody took them on, nobody challenged them, nobody took it seriously, nobody acted on said opinion.



But you take it as representing the Ladies Lounge in general!

policarp

K-9 wrote: »

Portmarnock Golf Club

Women haven't the balls to join Portmarnock Golf Club.

donfers

Links234 wrote: »

Loads of areas are separate for men and women, toilets, changing rooms, locker rooms, different sections in shops. are you saying that everything should be unisex? absolutely everything?
or is it another after hours "have a go at women" thread?

ummm.......are you being serious?

Sheeps

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

So you feel angry because theres not many female fisherpeople? Its such a high profile easy job as well.:rolleyes: Troll.

nope, i dont feel angry at all

PanchoVilla

Don't worry OP...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af-3Q0L5cMw

Trog

OutlawPete wrote: »

Another thing that bugs me, is "Ladies Nights" ..

Alchemy had one of these recently and it was:

"LADIES, FREE ENTRY ALL NIGHT".

Granted, I was happy at 1am when the place was packed with the sexy ladies .. but at 11pm on my way in, I sure wished I'd brought my stilettos and wig with me :mad:

As a guy with a girlfriend, I hate this. I can't say I'll have the same opinion when I'm single... (Which will probably be as soon as she sees this thread. Or finds out I post on Boards. I was doing so well pretending not to be a nerd...)

Sheeps

Trog wrote: »

As a guy with a girlfriend, I hate this. I can't say I'll have the same opinion when I'm single... (Which will probably be as soon as she sees this thread. Or finds out I post on Boards. I was doing so well pretending not to be a nerd...)

"HEY GUYS I GOT A GIRLFRIEND!!!"

Esel

Trog wrote: »

The thing is, say I was to start a men only stroke-book club, for example. I'd be chastised for it and there'd be outrage.

FYP

donfers

K-9 wrote: »

Nope, not me.

Interesting take though. 1 poster posted an opinion, nobody agreed with the poster, nobody took them on, nobody challenged them, nobody took it seriously, nobody acted on said opinion.



But you take it as representing the Ladies Lounge in general!

I am saying that the "what about me/what about misandry" is a common complaint in that forum and I have read it many times from many different users including you there........and yet you use that same tactic here

that's all i'm saying

Trog

Sheeps wrote: »

"HEY GUYS I GOT A GIRLFRIEND!!!"

That's how I lost the first 2...

Ok, one...

Ok, my mom pretended for my friends...

Ok, ok, a picture of my mom from when she was younger that I told people was my girlfriend. Get off my back...

PanchoVilla

Trog wrote: »

As a guy with a girlfriend, I hate this. I can't say I'll have the same opinion when I'm single... (Which will probably be as soon as she sees this thread. Or finds out I post on Boards. I was doing so well pretending not to be a nerd...)

Why are you pretending to be something you're not? Oh yeah, you have a girlfriend. Good luck with that.

OutlawPete

Sheeps wrote: »

"HEY GUYS I GOT A GIRLFRIEND!!!"

So has Trog, you guys should double date

K-9

donfers wrote: »

I am saying that the "what about me/what about misandry" is a common complaint in that forum and I have read it many times from many different users including you there........and yet you use that same tactic here

that's all i'm saying

Well, I'll quote you in the Gentlemen's Club:

Donfers wrote:

Please, for the love of god, don't make this place become like tll

I saw in their recent feedback thread all sorts of interesting comments - one poster said she was aware that men used tll but didn't particular want to see them start threads or even read their posts, nobody batted an eyelid at the comment

You seem to attach huge significance to what one female poster posted in a Feedback thread, that nobody commented on because it was so outlandish and nobody agreed to.

Trog

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Why are you pretending to be something you're not? Oh yeah, you have a girlfriend. Good luck with that.

Schoolboy error, really. And yes I am aware that pretending to have a girlfriend is an error a schoolboy would make, and no, that's not what I meant.

fonecrusher1

Trog wrote: »

Schoolboy error, really. And yes I am aware that pretending to have a girlfriend is an error a schoolboy would make, and no, that's not what I meant.

A picture of a naked lady as your desktop background is not having a girlfriend.

donfers

K-9 wrote: »

Well, I'll quote you in the Gentlemen's Club:



You seem to attach huge significance to what one female poster posted in a Feedback thread, that nobody commented on because it was so outlandish and nobody agreed to.

i think you're digging an even deeper hole for yourself and contradicting yourself again


wasn't the consensus in that forum the other night to call people on their crazy and outlandish comments....yet nobody commented on her post as you say, not one dissenting voice, no infractions or warnings, nada

K-9

donfers wrote: »

i think you're digging an even deeper hole for yourself and contradicting yourself again


wasn't the consensus in that forum the other night to call people on their crazy and outlandish comments....yet nobody commented on her post as you say, not one dissenting voice, no infractions or warnings, nada

Because some posts are so idiotic there is no point replying. The fact that nobody replies means far more.

Sometimes silence speaks louder than words!

Hell, it happens on AH loads of times every day.

Why? Do you think loads of posters agree with it?

Trog

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

A picture of a naked lady as your desktop background is not having a girlfriend.

No, it counts as halfway though, and I've got two.

donfers

K-9 wrote: »

Because some posts are so idiotic there is no point replying. The fact that nobody replies means far more.

Sometimes silence speaks louder than words!

Hell, it happens on AH loads of times every day.

Why? Do you think loads of posters agree with it?

I agree with you, kind of what I was trying to say in the thread on sexism there the other day

I don't think the majority agree to the extent of the extreme but genuine example I used but certainly some hostility to typically masculine
views is prevalent there and that is their right

Esel

Trog wrote: »

No, it counts as halfway though, and I've got two.

Two mickeys? ... cos you couldn't get that silly playing with just one.

Manic Moran

K-9 wrote: »

Portmarnock Golf Club

In Ireland, at least, that's as far as you need to go.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=8986173

A premier Dublin golf club can continue to bar women from membership, the Irish Supreme Court ruled Tuesday in a discrimination case inspired by similar protests against men-only clubs in the United States.

It's actually an easy-to-read and interesting opinion.

NTM

Esel

Manic Moran wrote: »

In Ireland, at least, that's as far as you need to go.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=8986173



It's actually an easy-to-read and interesting opinion.

NTM

Interesting that the judgement used the word 'fraternisation', when 'frater' is the Latin for 'brother'.

But in their majority judgment, the three Irish Supreme Court judges — among them one woman — noted that Ireland's law permits clubs to restrict membership to one sex, if that club's "principal purpose is to cater only for the needs of persons of a particular gender." Those needs included Portmarnock's central purpose of social fraternization, they ruled.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Sheeps wrote: »

To name a few:

Comedian (women are just not funny)
Soldier (obvious)
Fishermen
Bouncers

Q; Whats the difference between female soldiers and toast?..

A; You can make soldiers out of toast!..


:pac:

Esel

Terry Purple Skydiver wrote: »

Q; Whats the difference between female soldiers and toast?..

A; Female soldiers can make toast!..


:pac:

FYP

FrostyJack

Terry Purple Skydiver wrote: »

Q; Whats the difference between female soldiers and toast?..

A; You can make soldiers out of toast!..


:pac:

Should that not be women and toast?

PanchoVilla

FrostyJack wrote: »

Should that not be women and toast?

Give the lad a break, he's trying his best and that's what counts.