mobile phones in 1928 - film footage

mrgaa1

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/blog/article/57334/time-traveller-spotted-at-chaplin-premiere.html is this a mobile phone in 1928? Personally I think its a man - not a woman but what do I know?

fudgez

As alluded to in the article how could the "Time Traveller" be making a call with no Coverage? I think I read that the New York Times had suggested it could be an early hearing aid which seems most likely Or else we have caught one of the freedom fighters from Twelve Monkeys and Brad Pitt must be killed!

meglome

mrgaa1 wrote: »

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/blog/article/57334/time-traveller-spotted-at-chaplin-premiere.html is this a mobile phone in 1928? Personally I think its a man - not a woman but what do I know?

Looks like a woman. Even if we took time travel to be possible there would be no cell towers for the phone to work. So therefore the person couldn't be talking on a phone.

My name is URL

Reminds me of something you'd see on Fringe

He looks as if he speaking into whatever it is he may be holding so most likely not a hearing aid. Of course there was no coverage back then, but that would only matter if you assume that he traveled back from this era. Who knows what tech there might be in future, some sort of quantum communication device perhaps. Pretty far fetched stuff but certainly interesting.

DeWitt

I knew it!

Capt'n Midnight

maybe it's one of those wind up music boxes

or something to keep the ears warm

or someone has a disease that locks their arm in an awkward position

or she was cupping her ear to hear better

odd size - too small for electronic devices before the 1960's and too big for devices from after the 1990's and we all know time travel didn't kick off till July 19th 2417

meglome

My name is URL wrote: »

Reminds me of something you'd see on Fringe

He looks as if he speaking into whatever it is he may be holding so most likely not a hearing aid. Of course there was no coverage back then, but that would only matter if you assume that he traveled back from this era. Who knows what tech there might be in future, some sort of quantum communication device perhaps. Pretty far fetched stuff but certainly interesting.

But at that rate why do we assume the person would be holding a phone like device to their ear at all. Given how far we've come in the last 30 years the phone of the future could/should be very advanced.

PCPhoto

it does appear to be something out of the ordinary !

there is a shadow between the hand and face which suggests the hand is slightly away from the face by an inch or two... so would technically rule out any "modern" mobile really !!

could be pretty much anything from someone with a wet cloth against their jaw to lower swelling after a visit to a dentist (they existed back then didnt they)

PCPhoto

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

maybe it's one of those wind up music boxes

or something to keep the ears warm

or someone has a disease that locks their arm in an awkward position

or she was cupping her ear to hear better

odd size - too small for electronic devices before the 1960's and too big for devices from after the 1990's and we all know time travel didn't kick off till July 19th 2417

hee hee .... I thought it was 2412

c_man

Heh, reminds me of this

hardCopy

Ha, I've no idea what that is but it's a great find

Capt'n Midnight

PCPhoto wrote: »

hee hee .... I thought it was 2412

No that was debunked.
It had a Capissen 38 engine, and those things fall right out of the sky :rolleyes:

TerryTibbs!

Its me in 48 years, 82 years ago.

Penn

So.... the time traveller dressed suitably to blend in, and decided to walk around speaking into a mobile phone, in front of a film crew?

humanji

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

So.... the time traveller dressed suitably to blend in, and decided to walk around speaking into a mobile phone, in front of a film crew?

Well you're assuming that timetravellers are sophisticated. It could be a college prank. She/he could be on their timephone calling their mates saying "Can you see me? Am I in shot?" and all the friends would be laughing their heads off. It's like UFO's buzzing earth to freak out yokels for kicks.

Penn

Yeah. I suppose I didn't take into account the fact that the first recorded evidence of timetravellers were probably drunk college students

Although I fail to see how this is a conspiracy theory

humanji

Well it can still be classed as a conspiracy. It's kind of like wondernig if aliens have visited, and what would they be doing here. I mean, if you're a time traveller, you'd go back to kill Hitler, or bet on the Lotto or try your luck with Scarlett Johannson. You generally wouldn't travel back to appear in a Chaplin movie, so if this was a timetraveller, what were they doing they?

Penn

But the alien conspiracies are generally related to the government/NWO concealing knowledge of the aliens or being in league with the aliens.

Also, I wouldn't kill Hitler. Don't get me wrong, I disagree with pretty much everything he did. But the world is what it is now because of the past. Changing it for what seems like a good idea could have the opposite effect.

Anyway, as I said before, time travel is impossible. So you'll just have to find some other way to get Scarlett Johansson to sleep with you :P

Yitzhak Rabin

humanji wrote: »

Well it can still be classed as a conspiracy. It's kind of like wondernig if aliens have visited, and what would they be doing here. I mean, if you're a time traveller, you'd go back to kill Hitler, or bet on the Lotto or try your luck with Scarlett Johannson. You generally wouldn't travel back to appear in a Chaplin movie, so if this was a timetraveller, what were they doing they?

But thats the thing about time travel.....

[DOC BROWN VOICE] But if we are considering time travel, how can we know if in some other timeline something historical happened right there? How do we know that the guy on the phone wasn't preventing something catastrophic from occuring![/DOC BROWN VOICE]

MonkieSocks

Looks like one of these,

http://www.hearingaidmuseum.com/gallery/Carbon/WesternElectric/info/westelect34a.htm

timsnewbridge

if we have mastered the technology for time travel why is it not possible that we have mastered technology for contact on a mobile phone type object between different time zones. saying there is no masts back then is ridiculous. <snip>......

timsnewbridge

timsnewbridge wrote: »

if we have mastered the technology for time travel why is it not possible that we have mastered technology for contact on a mobile phone type object between different time zones. saying there is no masts back then is ridiculous. <snip>......

Well if they've mastered the technology to transmit information across time in a hand held device, why haven't they developed the technology to implant it cybernetically?

Saying they would use a hand held device at all is ridiculous.

seamus

meglome wrote: »

Given how far we've come in the last 30 years the phone of the future could/should be very advanced.

It may not even be a conventional phone. Logically, if you are going to travel through time, you would have to do it in space. Travelling through time does not include travelling through space, so if I was to transport myself back an hour ago, I'd find myself 70,000 miles away from the earth, because it won't have reached my point in space yet. There's also the obvious risk that I might "materialise" inside something else.

Where am I going with this? Any theoretical time traveller would have come from a craft in orbit. So they could be communicating with that. A hand-held device made to look like a hearing aid would arouse less suspicion than someone talking to themself.

But it's only a hearing aid

humanji

King Mob wrote: »

Well if they've mastered the technology to transmit information across time in a hand held device, why haven't they developed the technology to implant it cybernetically?

Saying they would use a hand held device at all is ridiculous.

It goes back to my theory of them being students. Too cheap for an implanted timephone!

humanji

humanji wrote: »

It goes back to my theory of them being students. Too cheap for an implanted timephone!

So they could afford the old fat lady holo-disguise and the package deal to tour Hollywood's golden era, but not the timephone app for their internal Iphones?

It's a bit far fetched :rolleyes:

humanji

seamus wrote: »

It may not even be a conventional phone. Logically, if you are going to travel through time, you would have to do it in space. Travelling through time does not include travelling through space, so if I was to transport myself back an hour ago, I'd find myself 70,000 miles away from the earth, because it won't have reached my point in space yet. There's also the obvious risk that I might "materialise" inside something else.

Where am I going with this? Any theoretical time traveller would have come from a craft in orbit. So they could be communicating with that. A hand-held device made to look like a hearing aid would arouse less suspicion than someone talking to themself.

But it's only a hearing aid

Well, (and this is going into pure fantasy now), timetravel could possibly be affected by gravity, in which case the traveller would still be anchored to the earth. This would solve the time and space problem.

I may use that in a script. NOBODY STEAL MY IDEA!

Torakx

Maybe it was an intelligence agent monitoring Chaplain with his pre 1940's mini walkie talkie."yes sir, the boots fit perfectly,nobody will recognise my disguise...mwuahaha....haha...hahahaha!"
Because lets admit it, "it" looks like a man talking into his hand lol
So either edited footage or my former suggestion :P
ok he/she may have been testing their hearing aid also.

Penn

humanji wrote: »

Well, (and this is going into pure fantasy now), timetravel could possibly be affected by gravity, in which case the traveller would still be anchored to the earth. This would solve the time and space problem.

I may use that in a script. NOBODY STEAL MY IDEA!

But, even if you stayed anchored to the earth, you could materialise right in the middle of something which was in that spot at that time. A wall of a previous structure. Right where a car was driving. Where a cow was standing. Hell, you might even materialise one a road in front of a lorry instead of in the middle of it.

meglome

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Looks like one of these,

http://www.hearingaidmuseum.com/gallery/Carbon/WesternElectric/info/westelect34a.htm

You could have hit the nail on the head there.

humanji

King Mob wrote: »

So they could afford the old fat lady holo-disguise and the package deal to tour Hollywood's golden era, but not the timephone app for their internal Iphones?

It's a bit far fetched :rolleyes:

You obviously don't know students.

Actually, does anyone know if theres a full excerpt with the scene before and after available? Just curious because it seems strange that a film crew wouldn't notice the woman there, so I was wondering if it's actually a character in the film. It does kind of look like she's more trying to hide her face (like she was spying on the first guy) than holding something.

The talking is easily explained by the fact that it wa a silent movie, so if she thought her face was hidden, she'd have no problems talking to the crew.

humanji

humanji wrote: »

You obviously don't know students.

Actually, does anyone know if theres a full excerpt with the scene before and after available? Just curious because it seems strange that a film crew wouldn't notice the woman there, so I was wondering if it's actually a character in the film. It does kind of look like she's more trying to hide her face (like she was spying on the first guy) than holding something.

The talking is easily explained by the fact that it wa a silent movie, so if she thought her face was hidden, she'd have no problems talking to the crew.

I think some of the articles mentioned it was a piece of footage from a behind the scenes thing.

espinolman

I think they probably had mobile phones in 1928 , there was a lot of technology back then , special interest groups wanted to suppress the technology , so they organised world war 2 , then after that these special interest corporporations had control over governments , media , education and just about everthing that could inform the public as to the truth , until the internet came about , eventaully they will probably even gain total control of the net .

meglome

espinolman wrote: »

I think they probably had mobile phones in 1928 , there was a lot of technology back then , special interest groups wanted to suppress the technology , so they organised world war 2 , then after that these special interest corporporations had control over governments , media , education and just about everthing that could inform the public as to the truth , until the internet came about , eventaully they will probably even gain total control of the net .

Dare I ask where you're getting this from?

espinolman

meglome wrote: »

Dare I ask where you're getting this from?

Research . But its obvious , Big Money special interest groups will do whatever it takes to stay on top .

Capt'n Midnight

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Looks like one of these,

http://www.hearingaidmuseum.com/gallery/Carbon/WesternElectric/info/westelect34a.htm

The unit measured 7¾" by 4" by 1½" and weighed just under 2 lbs. when fitted with batteries.

but the problem is that the mic is in the box

it don't contain electronics being too early

the earpiece is this bit

MonkieSocks

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

but the problem is that the mic is in the box

it don't contain electronics being too early

the earpiece is this bit

Yes the Mic is in the Box and that pic is the Earpiece..No problem there.
It fit's the scenario in Chaplins Movie.

Are you saying that they couldn't produce the Western Electric Model 34A "Audiphone" Carbon Hearing Aid in 1925, before the Chaplin Movie was made.

Capt'n Midnight

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

but the problem is that the mic is in the box

And as we all know an old person using a new technology wrong is far more impossible than time travel.

Whiteman24

I think she went back in time to prevent the 2008 Economic Crash (hence the mobile phone was part of her cover) for whatever reasons but she mixed up the dates and ended up in 1928 and caused the 1929 Stock market crash by accident

seamus

King Mob wrote: »

And as we all know an old person using a new technology wrong is far more impossible than time travel.

I doubt she was using it wrong. The mic is in the box - standard practice to check if it's on was probably to talk into the box and see if you could hear it in the earpiece

timsnewbridge

King Mob wrote: »

Well if they've mastered the technology to transmit information across time in a hand held device, why haven't they developed the technology to implant it cybernetically?

Saying they would use a hand held device at all is ridiculous.

cybernetics, space travel and telecommunications have all got nothing to do with each other. the only reason i am linking telecommunications to time travel is because this is what this article is about. also a device that can do something like that i am assuming would have to be large as it is so powerful :P in fact we could assume absolutely anything we want. WE could assume cybernetics but its better to not, as it is off topic.

enfant terrible

Mobile phone from 1922

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/mobile-phones/7764405/Footage-shows-worlds-first-mobile-phone.html

espinolman

enfant terrible wrote: »

Mobile phone from 1922

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/mobile-phones/7764405/Footage-shows-worlds-first-mobile-phone.html

That proves it , they had mobile phones .

meglome

espinolman wrote: »

That proves it , they had mobile phones .

Isn't that link from the mainstream media?

espinolman

meglome wrote: »

Isn't that link from the mainstream media?

Sometimes there is true things in the mainstream media , just to attempt to confuse us .

Torakx

Motive motive motive

uprising2

I saw the film this morning and didn't think much of it, certainly not anything about timetravel, but if the man/woman was talking on a device to another person with a similar device, would time travel be required and would it be strange?

Maybe Nikola Tesla, the greatest mind that ever lived (my opinion) was testing a wireless, battery-less communication device, no masts needed, same way when you got a walkie talkie on xmas in the early 80's no mast was required to communicate with "TeddyBear" who was a house or two away under his blankets.

Nikola Tesla was probably just testing one of his many suppressed inventions that he had left in his attic and forgotten about for years, after all he was powering electonic/electrical devices wireless as early as 1891 (London), 2 years later he demonstrated it again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower#Theories_of_operation

Tesla demonstrated wireless energy transfer to power electronic devices as early as 1893, and aspired to intercontinental wireless transmission of industrial power in his unfinished Wardenclyffe Tower project.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_tesla

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_radio#Nikola_Tesla


OR maybe the timetraveller was sent back from the 1950's when one of Tesla's patents successfully demonstrated timetravel possible, and had to sabotage his name & legacy and intervene in his life at a crucial moment???

jay93

wow it defo looks like someone with a mobile doesnt it.i mean like what else would this person be holding to there ear?the person is also holding whatever it is exactly how people would hold a phone now..if it was really a phone tough would someone passing by not think that the person was a bit crazy talking to themselves??
unless there was mobile cells in those times and we were never told about them haha !!wouldnt be suprised !!:o:o