Help with pigeons

johngalway

Tikka Jim wrote: »

if a tree falls in a forest.......does it make any noise,
If a lad shoots a few pigeons in a hayshed with an air rifle.....does anyone really care?:D

You could just use Alpha-Chloralose? :eek:

I believe this may have been changed lately, and now illegal.

Link to come momentarily, as I am not fully up on it myself yet.

Here we go,

http://www.environ.ie/en/Heritage/NationalParksandWildlife/News/MainBody,24265,en.htm

Birdnuts

johngalway wrote: »

I believe this may have been changed lately, and now illegal.

Link to come momentarily, as I am not fully up on it myself yet.

Here we go,

http://www.environ.ie/en/Heritage/NationalParksandWildlife/News/MainBody,24265,en.htm

Thanx John - you just beat me to it;)

Mellor

Eddie B wrote: »

It was also writen in law, plain as day that you couldn't shoot pidgeons over stubble, now due to the NARGC it is perfectly safe and legal to do so!

Nothing of the sort is written in law.

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Yes, but subject to restrictions within the parent act. The derogation serves to remove the protected status of the bird within certain circumstances. Section 33 (a) is therefore still applicable.

Hence why, under the derogation, which removes their protected status, section 33 (a) still applies, and why it exists, to differentiate between the two.

This is where you are going wrong.
The reason for section B was that is was previously ok to kill vermin with a rifle. All birds are protected now. It's illegal to shoot all birds with a rifle. They are all protected under EU law.

IF the derog stated that "the protection of [species] under the wildlife act 1976 is removed from may to august"
then I would agree with you. Then they could be shot with a cartridge rifle only as section (b) would no longer apply.
But the derog doesn't say that. Or anything of the sort. The derog is nothing to do with lifting of protection.

3. (1) Notwithstanding the provisions of the Wildlife Act, 1976 (No. 39 of 1976).

(a) where the Minister is of the opinion that a species referred to in the First Schedule to these Regulations—

(i) is a threat to public health or safety,

(ii) is likely to cause serious damage to corps, livestock, fisheries or forestry,

(iii) is likely to cause damage to flora and fauna,

he may declare that for the purpose of preventing disease or injury the said species may be captured or killed in any part of the State or throughout the State by any of the means, arrangements or methods set out in the Second Schedule to these Regulations, during such period or periods specified in the declaration and by the person or persons or class of person or persons specified in the declaration,

In plain english, the minister can allow pigeons to be killed by any means in the second schedule, which states Shooting with rifle or shotgun. In order for the derog to separate cartridge rifles and air-rifles they would first have to be separated under the second schedule of the 1986 regulations. Which they aren't. This is further compounded by the fact that the wildact states that rifle means both types.

kfod

I'm confused?

Can you shoot pigeons with a rifle or not, or an air rifle or not? I thought that over stubble with a rifle or shotgun was ok.

Is there any clear (not trying to figure out all the SI's and acts) list of seasons and species that you can shoot, and in what way you can shoot them e.g gun type, decoys etc. it is confusing for someone new to shooting (aka me)

ghostmantra

imola94 wrote: »

Hi
I've been asked by a local farmer if i would*shoot some troublesome pidgeons he has in his farm sheds. They have been creating problems for him in relation to the animals and their feed.
My question, is it possible to buy special shotgun cartages for this job? Ones that wont blow the roof off the sheds. I think he has galvanised roofs on the sheds and the last thing he wants is holes blown through them.
Also what is the best way to go about this?I presume evening time would be best as they would be coming in to roost.
Thanks

i have seen shoot gun cartages with the lead taking out and replaced with rice and resealed with wax.i was told that thay were for shooting pigeons in sheds;)

Esel

ghostmantra wrote: »

i have seen shotgun cartages with the lead taken out and replaced with rice...

Fried rice 40c extra?