Cows for all!

J2D2

Show me the beef!!

It seems being a vegan is a hell of a lot harder than you thought :pac:

starbelgrade

Handy fact; You can eat them too.

sonic85

so thats why theyre worshipped in india :pac:

Absurdum

J2D2 wrote: »

It seems being a vegan is a hell of a lot harder than you thought :pac:

it's not really

http://www.govegan.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/4129322738_d4e5fafd54_o.jpg

questionmark?

Miniture american flags for others

Killer Pigeon

I like turtles ....
... yum!!

ScumLord

Absurdum wrote: »

it's not really

http://www.govegan.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/4129322738_d4e5fafd54_o.jpg

"I didn't climb to the top of the food chain to eat plants"
I like it.

recylingbin

In your face Morrissey!

minidazzler

questionmark? wrote: »

Miniture american flags for others

Is that really small, or is it just far away?

Princess Zelda

Needs more cowbell :mad:

bonerm

recylingbin wrote: »

In your face Morrissey!

He can take it on the chin.

Rockery Woman

Great! Amazing how useful cows actually are.

Jaysis - I'd love a big steak!!!!:)


With fried onions,..... mushrooms.......chips!!!!!

northern lights

Don't even mention feckin cows to me right now!! See post re how to sort out my BIL!!!!!

GLaDOS

northern lights wrote: »

Don't even mention feckin cows to me right now!! See post re how to sort out my BIL!!!!!

I saw you'd posted and was thinking this was your revenge

SoulTrader

http://www.synthstuff.com/mt/archives/2009/carnivore.jpg

Echospace

It's naive to think every single product on that picture can only be derived from a cow.

You can laugh and joke about vegetarianism and veganism all day long, but I'd find it very hard to take someone seriously who genuinely believes chickens, pigs and cattle deserve the torture and pain inflicted on them in modern factory farming methods - entirely for the human enjoyment of consuming meat.

It's been proven countless times, in studies that meat is completely unneccesary for a healthy diet. I and many vegeterian/vegan friends are all in fantastic health. 2 of us completed the Dublin marathon yesterday.

TPD

Echospace wrote: »

It's naive to think every single product on that picture can only be derived from a cow.

You can laugh and joke about vegetarianism and veganism all day long, but I'd find it very hard to take someone seriously who genuinely believes chickens, pigs and cattle deserve the torture and pain inflicted on them in modern factory farming methods - entirely for the human enjoyment of consuming meat.

It's been proven countless times, in studies that meat is completely unneccesary for a healthy diet. I and many vegeterian/vegan friends are all in fantastic health. 2 of us completed the Dublin marathon yesterday.

Yeah but bacon tastes really, really, really good.

ScumLord

Echospace wrote: »

It's naive to think every single product on that picture can only be derived from a cow.

You can laugh and joke about vegetarianism and veganism all day long, but I'd find it very hard to take someone seriously who genuinely believes chickens, pigs and cattle deserve the torture and pain inflicted on them in modern factory farming methods - entirely for the human enjoyment of consuming meat.

Intensive farms are the problem, a smaller farm can give animals and excellent quality of life and the best possible death available in the animal kingdom.

Humans have been farming for a long time, so long animals and environments adapted to the farming cycles. If people put more importance in animal welfare, stopping farming (or even moving towards more intensive farming) would put an end to a lot of animals in Europe that depend on human farming.

I don't think it's a good thing to remove people from nature or the food chain, we are part of nature and can't operate outside it, farmers that work with animals can have a great respect for their animals if they're not forced into intensive farming.

Echospace

TPD wrote: »

Yeah but bacon tastes really, really, really good.

It's alright, I've tasted much more delicious vegetarian dishes though.

AlmightyCushion

Echospace wrote: »

It's naive to think every single product on that picture can only be derived from a cow.

You can laugh and joke about vegetarianism and veganism all day long, but I'd find it very hard to take someone seriously who genuinely believes chickens, pigs and cattle deserve the torture and pain inflicted on them in modern factory farming methods - entirely for the human enjoyment of consuming meat.

It's been proven countless times, in studies that meat is completely unneccesary for a healthy diet. I and many vegeterian/vegan friends are all in fantastic health. 2 of us completed the Dublin marathon yesterday.

I definitely think they should be treated better. When you think about it if we weren't eating them they wouldn't be alive in the first place or at least not the vast majority. So by eating them we are giving them a life.

Echospace

ScumLord wrote: »

Intensive farms are the problem, a smaller farm can give animals and excellent quality of life and the best possible death available in the animal kingdom.

Humans have been farming for a long time, so long animals and environments adapted to the farming cycles. If people put more importance in animal welfare, stopping farming (or even moving towards more intensive farming) would put an end to a lot of animals in Europe that depend on human farming.

I don't think it's a good thing to remove people from nature or the food chain, we are part of nature and can't operate outside it, farmers that work with animals can have a great respect for their animals if they're not forced into intensive farming.

I agree with you about the intensive farming, but if humans are all that stands between an animal and extinction.... We are doing their race no favours. If the human race died out, most of the chickens/pigs/cattle/domesticated dogs/cats/etc would die out with us.

If left to live in the wild, and hunt/defend themselves their species would have much higher chance of survival.

I am not arguing against the food chain or animals killing other animals in the wild to survive. But we have reached a point in evolution where the consumption of meat is no longer necessary to survive + the modern factory farming methods of brutalizing these animals from birth to death disgusts me.

TPD

Echospace wrote: »

It's alright, I've tasted much more delicious vegetarian dishes though.

I'm sure your delicious vegetarian dish would be improved with bacon. And I'd be fairly certain that any single ingredient in your dish tastes worse than bacon.

I'm off to dream about bacon, before waking up to a bacon sandwich.



BACON!

Echospace

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I definitely think they should be treated better. When you think about it if we weren't eating them they wouldn't be alive in the first place or at least not the vast majority. So by eating them we are giving them a life.

Most of them a life of pain and cruelty, every second of their life from birth to death. I'm sure they would be quite thankful to you for that.

Echospace

TPD wrote: »

I'm sure your delicious vegetarian dish would be improved with bacon. And I'd be fairly certain that any single ingredient in your dish tastes worse than bacon.

Yawn

northern lights

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I saw you'd posted and was thinking this was your revenge

Hmmn, now there's an idea!! wonder how he'd taste with fried onions, mushrooms and chips

AlmightyCushion

Echospace wrote: »

Most of them a life of pain and cruelty, every second of their life from birth to death. I'm sure they would be quite thankful to you for that.

Like I said I think they should be treated better. If they were treated better but still eaten would you have a problem with it then?

Irish Guitarist

I'm a vegetarian and I have chewing gum in my mouth right now. The packet says it's suitable for vegetarians.

Whoever made that picture is misinformed. While some of those things may traditionally use animal products there are other ways to make them.

Personally I admire vegans. I'd like to be one myself but then I'd have nothing to pour on my cereal. I could drink soya milk but it tastes like camel vomit, which is weird as it contains no animal products.

Irish Guitarist

Absurdum wrote: »

it's not really

http://www.govegan.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/4129322738_d4e5fafd54_o.jpg

That picture is missing the perennial "Hitler was a vegetarian".

ScumLord

Echospace wrote: »

Most of them a life of pain and cruelty, every second of their life from birth to death. I'm sure they would be quite thankful to you for that.

Cattle and sheep have a pretty good life in Ireland for the most part. They're not tortured at all. It's only really pigs and chickens that suffer cramped conditions.

I'd like to see an increase in the cost of meat, and that extra revenue going into animal welfare.

Osgoodisgood

Echospace wrote: »

Most of them a life of pain and cruelty, every second of their life from birth to death. I'm sure they would be quite thankful to you for that.

Would it help them to know that I admire their sacrifice?

Bacon tastes good
Pork chops taste good

smegmar

rebuffing all meateaters arguements one by one:

"why are animals made of meat then" { Humans are also meat. Enjoy Cannabalism}

"Vegetarians don't get enough protein" {Average humans need 100g of protein a day, vegetarians get on average 115g. Meat diets get 155g, anything over 140g exponentially increases risk of cancer }

"PETA are weirdos" {Yes they are, many vegetarians do not support PETAs methods}

"We have to eat meat to feed everyone" {not true, given modern farming techniques we could easily feed everyone on a vegetarian diet getting all vitamins and proteins}

"There's not enough farms to feed everyone" { To feed 1 person on a meat diet requires 16 acres, it's just 4 to feed a vegetarian and 1 3/4 for Vegan}

"In a life or death situation you'd eat meat" {Personally I would but that situation doesn't happen in day to day life.}

"Humans have Canine teeth for meat" { we have canine teeth as an evolutionary trait, we also have the end of a tail. Also we have only 4 canine teeth but 8 incisors and 20 molars for grinding fibers and vegetables.}

"Our eyes are on the front of our head because we're hunters" {we have opposable thumbs used to manipulate objects directly in front, forward seeing eyes are best for this.}

"I know a vegan/vegetarian that became sick for lack of meat" {Possibly, maintaining a balanced vegetarian diet requires attention, but many more people get food poisoning from undercooked meat}

"Meat tastes good" {Yes it does so does MSG, it too causes cancer. There are many vegetarian substitutes that have the exact flavor and texture of meat}

"Vegetarians are preachy" {I will only defend my view if it is attacked, never start the argument. Being prechy is a character trait, some people are just that way. }

"Cavemen only evolved larger brains because they ate meat." {True, and I'm glad they did. At that time meat was the only way to get the quantity of protein required for development. Since the discovery of agriculture and science we can now use our larger brains to avoid meat while getting all required proteins and vitamins}

amacachi

smegmar wrote: »

rebuffing all meateaters arguements one by one:

"why are animals made of meat then" { Humans are also meat. Enjoy Cannabalism}

"Vegetarians don't get enough protein" {Average humans need 100g of protein a day, vegetarians get on average 115g. Meat diets get 155g, anything over 140g exponentially increases risk of cancer }

"PETA are weirdos" {Yes they are, many vegetarians do not support PETAs methods}

"We have to eat meat to feed everyone" {not true, given modern farming techniques we could easily feed everyone on a vegetarian diet getting all vitamins and proteins}

"There's not enough farms to feed everyone" { To feed 1 person on a meat diet requires 16 acres, it's just 4 to feed a vegetarian and 1 3/4 for Vegan}

"In a life or death situation you'd eat meat" {Personally I would but that situation doesn't happen in day to day life.}

"Humans have Canine teeth for meat" { we have canine teeth as an evolutionary trait, we also have the end of a tail. Also we have only 4 canine teeth but 8 incisors and 20 molars for grinding fibers and vegetables.}

"Our eyes are on the front of our head because we're hunters" {we have opposable thumbs used to manipulate objects directly in front, forward seeing eyes are best for this.}

"I know a vegan/vegetarian that became sick for lack of meat" {Possibly, maintaining a balanced vegetarian diet requires attention, but many more people get food poisoning from undercooked meat}

"Meat tastes good" {Yes it does so does MSG, it too causes cancer. There are many vegetarian substitutes that have the exact flavor and texture of meat}

"Vegetarians are preachy" {I will only defend my view if it is attacked, never start the argument. Being prechy is a character trait, some people are just that way. }

I like to eat meat, is there anything you can do to talk me out of it?

--Kaiser--

I'm going to order one of these

http://theworstpageintheuniverse.com/images/animal_shirt2.jpg


I'd advise all vegans/vegetarians to read this book, it will disproves a lot of the nonsense spouted about the diet.


http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myth-Food-Justice-Sustainability/dp/1604860804

pickarooney

smegmar wrote: »

There are many vegetarian substitutes that have the exact flavor and texture of meat.

Cool. What are they?

--Kaiser--

smegmar wrote: »

"Vegetarians don't get enough protein" {Average humans need 100g of protein a day, vegetarians get on average 115g. Meat diets get 155g, anything over 140g exponentially increases risk of cancer

Care to share any studies to support this bullshit radical claim?

Meat diets get 155g,

I went on a higher protein diet for a while and just about managed 90g, up from something very very low. Where in gods name are you getting AVERAGE meateaters diet = 155g?

Anyway, I can't live without chicken. I tried, I really did.

Asphyxia

I saw that picture last week it's pretty shocking I'm not vegan not even vegetarian but I don't eat a lot of red meat either. I would hate to have my body parts put into various of products.

--Kaiser--

smegmar wrote: »

"Humans have Canine teeth for meat" { we have canine teeth as an evolutionary trait, we also have the end of a tail. Also we have only 4 canine teeth but 8 incisors and 20 molars for grinding fibers and vegetables.}

I'm not sure what you mean by this. We have canine teeth as well as molars and incisors because we are natural omnivores. We could not have evolved such large brains without calorie and nutrition dense animal products being a large part of our diet.

liah

I like how a lot of vegans/veggies bring up these stats about how animals are treated as if the only reason us omnivores are still eating meat is simply because we didn't know how awful it is for the animals.

Are there seriously any meat-eaters who aren't aware that in a lot of cases animals are treated poorly prior to consumption? Any at all?

Didn't think so.

Hint: Chances are, if we're meat-eaters now, regardless of how many times these stats are thrown at us, we're going to keep on stuffing ourselves with bacon. The preaching is entirely wasted, so can we stop trying to dictate how other people live now?

Enjoy your feeling of superiority, or whatever it is you get out of preaching about it. I'm going to enjoy a nice, big steak in your honour.

danniemcq

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I like turtles ....
... yum!!

oh my god is this you???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

danniemcq

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

That picture is missing the perennial "Hitler was a vegetarian".

he wasn't though...

trad

What about cows with guns?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

sensibleken

Absurdum wrote: »

it's not really

http://www.govegan.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/4129322738_d4e5fafd54_o.jpg

Genius. I think I heard all of them at least once this month

sensibleken

liah wrote: »

I like how a lot of vegans/veggies bring up these stats about how animals are treated as if the only reason us omnivores are still eating meat is simply because we didn't know how awful it is for the animals.

Are there seriously any meat-eaters who aren't aware that in a lot of cases animals are treated poorly prior to consumption? Any at all?

Didn't think so.

Hint: Chances are, if we're meat-eaters now, regardless of how many times these stats are thrown at us, we're going to keep on stuffing ourselves with bacon. The preaching is entirely wasted, so can we stop trying to dictate how other people live now?

Enjoy your feeling of superiority, or whatever it is you get out of preaching about it. I'm going to enjoy a nice, big steak in your honour.

I get preached at at least once a week by meat eaters for being veggie. never once have i preached back. you say your veggie and the first thing people say is 'but whyyyyy'.

personally i dont care if you eat meat, its none of my buisness and my diet is none of yours. Enjoy your steak

MajorMax

I have eaten Horse, Dog, Snake, Locusts, Lizard, Monkey, Alligator, Squirrel, Whale and Rat. I put the omni in omnivore.
I'll try anything once. Have to say only the Snake tasted like chicken.

Terry

Echospace wrote: »

It's naive to think every single product on that picture can only be derived from a cow.

You can laugh and joke about vegetarianism and veganism all day long, but I'd find it very hard to take someone seriously who genuinely believes chickens, pigs and cattle deserve the torture and pain inflicted on them in modern factory farming methods - entirely for the human enjoyment of consuming meat.

It's been proven countless times, in studies that meat is completely unneccesary for a healthy diet. I and many vegeterian/vegan friends are all in fantastic health. 2 of us completed the Dublin marathon yesterday.

I read this before leaving for a hospital appointment this morning.
I would like to thank you for that good piece of advice.
You see, I couldn't find my mp3 player, so I took your advice instead and it kept me amused while I was waiting to be seen by the doctor.

Cheers.

Echospace

Echospace wrote: »

I and many vegeterian/vegan friends are all in fantastic health.

You don't win friends with salad.

smegmar

bluewolf wrote: »

Where in gods name are you getting AVERAGE meateaters diet = 155g?

CAPTAIN JAMES T KIRK (William Shatner) said so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuiuG69wq_o

smegmar

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

I'm not sure what you mean by this. We have canine teeth as well as molars and incisors because we are natural omnivores. We could not have evolved such large brains without calorie and nutrition dense animal products being a large part of our diet.

I've edited my first post with the retort to this argument

Irish Guitarist

danniemcq wrote: »

he wasn't though...

I know. That doesn't stop people from constantly saying it though. I'm surprised no one said it in this thread.

danniemcq

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I know. That doesn't stop people from constantly saying it though. I'm surprised no one said it in this thread.

Maybe everyone has started watching QI