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Cows for all!

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Show me the beef!!

It seems being a vegan is a hell of a lot harder than you thought :pac:

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amacachi

smegmar wrote: »

rebuffing all meateaters arguements one by one:

"why are animals made of meat then" { Humans are also meat. Enjoy Cannabalism}

"Vegetarians don't get enough protein" {Average humans need 100g of protein a day, vegetarians get on average 115g. Meat diets get 155g, anything over 140g exponentially increases risk of cancer }

"PETA are weirdos" {Yes they are, many vegetarians do not support PETAs methods}

"We have to eat meat to feed everyone" {not true, given modern farming techniques we could easily feed everyone on a vegetarian diet getting all vitamins and proteins}

"There's not enough farms to feed everyone" { To feed 1 person on a meat diet requires 16 acres, it's just 4 to feed a vegetarian and 1 3/4 for Vegan}

"In a life or death situation you'd eat meat" {Personally I would but that situation doesn't happen in day to day life.}

"Humans have Canine teeth for meat" { we have canine teeth as an evolutionary trait, we also have the end of a tail. Also we have only 4 canine teeth but 8 incisors and 20 molars for grinding fibers and vegetables.}

"Our eyes are on the front of our head because we're hunters" {we have opposable thumbs used to manipulate objects directly in front, forward seeing eyes are best for this.}

"I know a vegan/vegetarian that became sick for lack of meat" {Possibly, maintaining a balanced vegetarian diet requires attention, but many more people get food poisoning from undercooked meat}

"Meat tastes good" {Yes it does so does MSG, it too causes cancer. There are many vegetarian substitutes that have the exact flavor and texture of meat}

"Vegetarians are preachy" {I will only defend my view if it is attacked, never start the argument. Being prechy is a character trait, some people are just that way. }

I like to eat meat, is there anything you can do to talk me out of it?

--Kaiser--

I'm going to order one of these

http://theworstpageintheuniverse.com/images/animal_shirt2.jpg

I'd advise all vegans/vegetarians to read this book, it will disproves a lot of the nonsense spouted about the diet.

http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myth-Food-Justice-Sustainability/dp/1604860804

pickarooney

smegmar wrote: »

There are many vegetarian substitutes that have the exact flavor and texture of meat.

Cool. What are they?

--Kaiser--

smegmar wrote: »

"Vegetarians don't get enough protein" {Average humans need 100g of protein a day, vegetarians get on average 115g. Meat diets get 155g, anything over 140g exponentially increases risk of cancer

Care to share any studies to support this bullshit radical claim?

[Deleted User]

Meat diets get 155g,

I went on a higher protein diet for a while and just about managed 90g, up from something very very low. Where in gods name are you getting AVERAGE meateaters diet = 155g?

Anyway, I can't live without chicken. I tried, I really did.

Asphyxia

I saw that picture last week it's pretty shocking I'm not vegan not even vegetarian but I don't eat a lot of red meat either. I would hate to have my body parts put into various of products.

--Kaiser--

smegmar wrote: »

"Humans have Canine teeth for meat" { we have canine teeth as an evolutionary trait, we also have the end of a tail. Also we have only 4 canine teeth but 8 incisors and 20 molars for grinding fibers and vegetables.}

I'm not sure what you mean by this. We have canine teeth as well as molars and incisors because we are natural omnivores. We could not have evolved such large brains without calorie and nutrition dense animal products being a large part of our diet.

liah

I like how a lot of vegans/veggies bring up these stats about how animals are treated as if the only reason us omnivores are still eating meat is simply because we didn't know how awful it is for the animals.

Are there seriously any meat-eaters who aren't aware that in a lot of cases animals are treated poorly prior to consumption? Any at all?

Didn't think so.

Hint: Chances are, if we're meat-eaters now, regardless of how many times these stats are thrown at us, we're going to keep on stuffing ourselves with bacon. The preaching is entirely wasted, so can we stop trying to dictate how other people live now?

Enjoy your feeling of superiority, or whatever it is you get out of preaching about it. I'm going to enjoy a nice, big steak in your honour.

danniemcq

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I like turtles ....
... yum!!

oh my god is this you???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

danniemcq

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

That picture is missing the perennial "Hitler was a vegetarian".

he wasn't though...

trad

What about cows with guns?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

sensibleken

Absurdum wrote: »

it's not really

http://www.govegan.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/4129322738_d4e5fafd54_o.jpg

Genius. I think I heard all of them at least once this month

sensibleken

liah wrote: »

I like how a lot of vegans/veggies bring up these stats about how animals are treated as if the only reason us omnivores are still eating meat is simply because we didn't know how awful it is for the animals.

Are there seriously any meat-eaters who aren't aware that in a lot of cases animals are treated poorly prior to consumption? Any at all?

Didn't think so.

Hint: Chances are, if we're meat-eaters now, regardless of how many times these stats are thrown at us, we're going to keep on stuffing ourselves with bacon. The preaching is entirely wasted, so can we stop trying to dictate how other people live now?

Enjoy your feeling of superiority, or whatever it is you get out of preaching about it. I'm going to enjoy a nice, big steak in your honour.

I get preached at at least once a week by meat eaters for being veggie. never once have i preached back. you say your veggie and the first thing people say is 'but whyyyyy'.

personally i dont care if you eat meat, its none of my buisness and my diet is none of yours. Enjoy your steak

MajorMax

I have eaten Horse, Dog, Snake, Locusts, Lizard, Monkey, Alligator, Squirrel, Whale and Rat. I put the omni in omnivore.
I'll try anything once. Have to say only the Snake tasted like chicken.

Terry

Echospace wrote: »

It's naive to think every single product on that picture can only be derived from a cow.

You can laugh and joke about vegetarianism and veganism all day long, but I'd find it very hard to take someone seriously who genuinely believes chickens, pigs and cattle deserve the torture and pain inflicted on them in modern factory farming methods - entirely for the human enjoyment of consuming meat.

It's been proven countless times, in studies that meat is completely unneccesary for a healthy diet. I and many vegeterian/vegan friends are all in fantastic health. 2 of us completed the Dublin marathon yesterday.

I read this before leaving for a hospital appointment this morning.
I would like to thank you for that good piece of advice.
You see, I couldn't find my mp3 player, so I took your advice instead and it kept me amused while I was waiting to be seen by the doctor.

Cheers.

[Deleted User]

Echospace wrote: »

I and many vegeterian/vegan friends are all in fantastic health.

You don't win friends with salad.

smegmar

bluewolf wrote: »

Where in gods name are you getting AVERAGE meateaters diet = 155g?

CAPTAIN JAMES T KIRK (William Shatner) said so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuiuG69wq_o

smegmar

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

I'm not sure what you mean by this. We have canine teeth as well as molars and incisors because we are natural omnivores. We could not have evolved such large brains without calorie and nutrition dense animal products being a large part of our diet.

I've edited my first post with the retort to this argument

Irish Guitarist

danniemcq wrote: »

he wasn't though...

I know. That doesn't stop people from constantly saying it though. I'm surprised no one said it in this thread.

danniemcq

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I know. That doesn't stop people from constantly saying it though. I'm surprised no one said it in this thread.

Maybe everyone has started watching QI

Tar.Aldarion

liah wrote: »

I like how a lot of vegans/veggies bring up these stats about how animals are treated as if the only reason us omnivores are still eating meat is simply because we didn't know how awful it is for the animals.

Are there seriously any meat-eaters who aren't aware that in a lot of cases animals are treated poorly prior to consumption? Any at all?

Didn't think so.

Hint: Chances are, if we're meat-eaters now, regardless of how many times these stats are thrown at us, we're going to keep on stuffing ourselves with bacon. The preaching is entirely wasted, so can we stop trying to dictate how other people live now?

Enjoy your feeling of superiority, or whatever it is you get out of preaching about it. I'm going to enjoy a nice, big steak in your honour.

That's silly because there obviously are due to most veggies becoming veggie when they realise it. You can live being told something is right and ok your whole life and not think about it, religion, eating meat, indoctrination. Most people go with what they are raised to believe being right at first. Even people high up in the meat industry etc have become vegetarian once they 'realised' what was happening in front of their eyes. Obviously not everybody will care. I wouldn't have thought about it til late teens much, it's just an accepted fact of life here, meat is ok, but when you think about harming and killing things unnecessarily that is not who I want to be, even if you have to cause some suffering (we do) I don't see how anybody can have a problem with people trying to minimize the suffering of things in the world. A very small percentage are preachy but most get by just trying to minimise deaths and I think that is an honorable aim.

smegmar

apparently Hitler had bad bouts of flatulence (that's where the idea of gas chambers came from :P:D) and was advised by his doctor to leave out meats for a while, this is where the vegetarian rumor comes from. Even if he was how does that reflect on any other vegetarian. George Bush ate meat didn't stop him being a twat.

Tar.Aldarion

Famous people being blah is just nonsense, it doesn't even matter if he was or not. If somebody kills people and believes in x, then x is therefore wrong too, lols. Oh Einstein, Newton, pythagorous etc were veggie, so I am, ya right.

--Kaiser--

smegmar wrote: »

I've edited my first post with the retort to this argument

Right, are you going to back up any of the rest of the ludicrous claims in your original post?

smegmar

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Right, are you going to back up any of the rest of the ludicrous claims in your original post?

smegmar wrote: »

CAPTAIN JAMES T KIRK (William Shatner) said so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuiuG69wq_o

most of the answers are there. The rest are common sense.

Ciaran500

smegmar wrote: »

most of the answers are there. The rest are common sense.

This bit isn't common sense or even true, are you going to back it up?

smegmar wrote: »

"Vegetarians don't get enough protein" {Average humans need 100g of protein a day, vegetarians get on average 115g. Meat diets get 155g, anything over 140g exponentially increases risk of cancer }

--Kaiser--

smegmar wrote: »

most of the answers are there. The rest are common sense.

Bollox. You just have a load of unsubstantiated claims. I could similarly claim vegans/vegetarians have a much lower IQ than meat eaters

Tar.Aldarion

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Bollox. You just have a load of unsubstantiated claims. I could similarly claim vegans/vegetarians have a much lower IQ than meat eaters

Yeah but all the studies show they have higher

that protein thing doesnt say what the protein is from so it's kinda pointless

smegmar

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Bollox. You just have a load of unsubstantiated claims. I could similarly claim vegans/vegetarians have a much lower IQ than meat eaters

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6180753.stm

good teamwork Tar

--Kaiser--

smegmar wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6180753.stm

good teamwork Tar

LOL, really put my foot in it with that random statement. Still I think the study is biased in the fact that people of a lower education are less likely to be vegetarian, thus skewing the results.

Here's a site debunking some myths that vegetarians believe;

http://thehealthadvantage.com/vegetarians.html

Here's an interesting site, differences between the skeletons of ancient hunter gathers and those of farmers.
"Hunter-gatherers had better bones, had no signs of iron-deficiency anemia, no signs of infection, few (if any) dental cavities, fewer signs of arthritis and were in general larger and more robust than their agriculture-following contemporaries"
http://www.peta-sucks.com/smf/index.php?topic=44434.0

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-diets/nutrition-and-health-in-agriculturalists-and-hunter-gatherers/

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