shocking ignorance of transsexuality.

Links234

Sorry to the mods, I know the thread was locked but I can't let the shocking display of ignorance go unaddressed. in the thread if you found out your girlfriend was a transsexual what would you do, there's just so many arguments being put forward from people who really don't have any idea what transsexuality is or what trans people go through, and just being plainly wrong about what is involved in transition. and some silliness about a cat man. so I really have to clear up what misunderstandings I can

I'll start with chromosomes,
Cavehill Red said here:

They're not women on the chromosomal level, which is the one that defines gender.

it is a plain fallacy that chromosomes define gender. there's a great amount of variety in chromosomal makeup, it's not just XX and XY, but a number of others like XXY etc. you can't point to someone's genetics and say that they're male or female, the spotted history of gender testing in sports is a testament to that fact.

here's an interesting read for you, XY woman gives birth to XY daughter:

A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis.

If you define male as someone having XY chromosomes, then you are saying that this woman is a man which would be absurd. for transgender people, it makes little difference. I may or may not have XY chromosomes, but I don't really care because it does not define who I am.


next, there's plenty of talk about how transgender people should be encouraged to feel happy as they are, and that counseling is an option instead of transition, which is impossible and also assumes that they 'are' the gender they were assigned birth. psychological treatments for transsexuality have NEVER been successful, because it's not a psychological problem, it is something physical.

there's a steadily growing amount of scientific facts to show this:

Transsexual gene link identified
Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus
Male-to-Female Transsexuals Show Sex-Atypical Hypothalamus Activation When Smelling Odorous Steroids
Regional Grey Matter Variation in Male-to-Female Transsexualism
A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity.
White matter microstructure in female to male transsexuals before cross-sex hormonal treatment. A diffusion tensor imaging study.
A Sex Difference in the Human Brain and its Relation to Transsexuality
Gender Identity and phantom genitalia
Typical female 2nd–4th finger length (2D:4D) ratios in male-to-female transsexuals—possible implications for prenatal androgen exposure

Male to female transsexuals are female in a very real way, transsexuality has shown to be related to intersex conditions, and is considered by many a form of intersex. it is something that is present from birth, and cannot be altered or "fixed" with psychological methods. attempting to treat it as a mental illness has caused incredible amounts of suffering and subjects these men and women to torture. please read this article The Gender Gulag: Voices of the Asylum

It is not a 'belief' it is a biological fact that transsexuals are men and women who are born with conflicting anatomy.


now on to the straw man, sorry I mean cat man.
you can't compare the cat man to transsexuality. as we understand transsexuality, it is something that happens in fetal development where the body is only partially masculinized. all humans start out female with internal genitalia, some will later become male or stay female. sometimes the brain doesn't become masculine along with the body, or sometimes the body stays female and the brain becomes masculine. there's many ways that people can be born not typically male or female.

in order for the straw man comparisons (sorry, cat man!) to be serious, there must be some biological stage of fetal development where the body develops as a cat, and that the body image wired into the brain prenatally is that of a cat. which is why the cat man comparison is just silly nonsense, a sensationalist straw man.


but in reference to the cat man, Cavehill Red has said here:

Cat Man has had extensive surgery to more resemble what he truly believes he is. This process is identical to that undergone by transgender people.

this is just completely wrong and shows total ignorance of the process of transition. there's also constant references to surgery, mention of silicon tits, and this just seems to show the common misunderstanding that what trans people go through during transition is purely surgical. it's not, and many trans people will not have surgery at all for a variety of reasons. it's very sad that people hold this kind of misconception. there's also a lot of ignorance about how much of your body is shaped by your hormones.

What needs to be understood is that hormone replacement therapy changes the body significantly.

For a male-to-female transsexual what happens during HRT is that breasts will develop the same way that a cisgender woman's breasts develop during puberty, and will take 4-7 years to fully develop, there will be no biological difference between the breasts of a transgender woman and a cisgender woman, and the trans woman will even be fully capable of breastfeeding a child.

other changes include body weight redistribution, where the body fat distributes more to the hips and thighs, so that the body shape becomes typically female. skin completely changes, becomes soft and feminine. body hair reduces and becomes softer. body odor, pheromones and the oils that the skin produces become typically female. muscle mass decreases and overall musculature becomes typically female, even bone density changes. many, many changes happen, all having the effect that the body becomes female in every capacity bar reproductive. a transgender woman who has undergone hormone replacement therapy will smell and feel female.

none of this has anything to do with surgery!

the Olympic games allow transgender people to compete as their identified gender after that have completed their transition. a transgender woman has no physical advantages over a cisgender woman. transgender woman Mianne Bagger is a professional golfer who competes with other women.

you can see some of the physical effects of HRT in my thread this is what the transition looks like when a boy becomes a girl.


and lastly
to anyone who thinks it's clever to call transgender people "it" and joke about hurting them, trans people suffering enough abuse and bullying every day without you smart alecs adding to it. being called an it isn't funny when a transgender person is attacked in a bathroom and 'it' is carved into their chest. I'll just say to you:

HATE KILLS

sorry again mods, but this needs to be said.

mikom

I like turtles.

fonecrusher1

Accusation trap.

The Waltzing Consumer

Did the OP have a crying game moment or something?

What's going on?

listermint

Sexually Transcient.

My name is URL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP4PrnxcM2A

JohnathanM

TL;DR
The real question is, would you tap it?

Chuchoter

I think mods should lock and sticky the original post. There have been umpteen threads on transsexualism on this board, more than on any other topic and they are offensive and misinformed. This would be fine if it was just one thread and even if the arguments were valid, but I'd say its been close to ten over the last 3 months. No matter how much evidence from scientific bodies is put forward for the existence of transsexualism, we get the same stupid stuff back like 'chromosomes mean everything' and 'wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole'. This really isn't a debatable subject, TS people exist, deal with it. The mods don't allow threads on race for the most part (ie the do you find other races attractive threads), but its perfectly fine to attack a smaller, more misunderstood group of people.

phasers

Takes all sorts to make a world

El Weirdo

crayolastereo wrote: »

There have been umpteen threads on transsexualism on this board, more than on any other topic...

The recession? Social Welfare recipients? Foreigners taking jobs? Legalising cannabis?

mikom

phasers wrote: »

Takes all sorts to make a world

To quote blue mink and boy George.........

♫
Take a pinch of white man
Wrap him up in black skin
Add a touch of blue blood
And a little bitty bit of red indian boy
Oh like a curly latin kinkies
Oh lordy, lordy, mixed with yellow chinkees, yeah
You know you lump it all together
And you got a recipe for a get along scene
Oh what a beautiful dream
If it could only come true, you know, you know
♫

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHT_V294Co

My name is URL

crayolastereo wrote: »

No matter how much evidence from scientific bodies is put forward for the existence of transsexualism, we get the same stupid stuff back like 'chromosomes mean everything' and 'wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole'. This really isn't a debatable subject, TS people exist, deal with it.

Sorry for cherry-picking but what does that have to do with it existing? That's an opinion that someone may hold, not an argument about the existence of transsexuals or the science behind it.

fonecrusher1

mikom wrote: »

To quote blue mink and boy George.........

♫
Take a pinch of white man
Wrap him up in black skin
Add a touch of blue blood
And a little bitty bit of red indian boy
Oh like a curly latin kinkies
Oh lordy, lordy, mixed with yellow chinkees, yeah
You know you lump it all together
And you got a recipe for a get along scene
Oh what a beautiful dream
If it could only come true, you know, you know
♫

Disgusting racism. Post reported.^

mikom

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Disgusting racism. Post reported.^

Yep, a multicultural melting pot song which mentions yellow chinkees.
Who would have thunk it?

fonecrusher1

mikom wrote: »

Yep, a multicultural melting pot song which mentions yellow chinkees.
Who would have thunk it?

Continuation of disgusting racism. Post reported.^

Asmodean

Ah why did you bring up that song, all I can think of is Alan partridge now!

Chuchoter

El Weirdo wrote: »

The recession? Social Welfare recipients? Foreigners taking jobs? Legalising cannabis?

I know no other group, making up a really, really tiny percentage of the population getting so many threads. I mean you're probably talking 300-400 people tops in the entire country, and look how many threads there are, some started in good faith that get turned into the usual crap. This is only some of them, I didn't count the ones on same sex adoption/gay people where TS got involved

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056069497&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056056648&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055978601&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055980279&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055946625&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055946575&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055984431&highlight=transsexual

Social welfare is upwards of 400,000 people. It is understandable that they have lots of threads, but to have this many on a population probably smaller than your average secondary school is insane, its well over 2200 posts altogether. The going statistic for transwomen is 1:80,000 and for transmen its 1:125,000

Max Power1

JohnathanM wrote: »

TL;DR
The real question is, would you tap it?

... and the real answer is of course;)

Marcus.Aurelius

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Continuation of disgusting racism. Post reported.^

Sheesh, grow up. The song is about multiculturalism leading to a better society.

WTF?

fonecrusher1

crayolastereo wrote: »

I know no other group, making up a really, really tiny percentage of the population getting so many threads. I mean you're probably talking 300-400 people tops in the entire country, and look how many threads there are, some started in good faith that get turned into the usual crap

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056069497&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056056648&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055978601&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055980279&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055946625&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055946575&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055984431&highlight=transsexual

Social welfare is upwards of 400,000 people. It is understandable that they have lots of threads, but to have this many on a population probably smaller than your average secondary school is insane. The going statistic for transwomen is 1:80,000 and for transmen its 1:125,000

The way i see it, if you want to talk about cars you go over to the Motors forum. If you want to talk about cardiovascular workouts you head over the Fitness & Health forum.

If you want to talk about transexuality should you not go over to the Lesbian & Gay forum?

Dropping a transexual related thread in after hours? Its fair game for a bit of piss taking. If people are going to get upset about it, then put the bloody thread in its appropriate place & don't go all defensive & shocked because someone says something stupid or misinformed, you know fine well thats what happens here in After Hours.

Canis Lupus

crayolastereo wrote: »

I know no other group, making up a really, really tiny percentage of the population getting so many threads. I mean you're probably talking 300-400 people tops in the entire country, and look how many threads there are, some started in good faith that get turned into the usual crap. This is only some of them, I didn't count the ones on same sex adoption/gay people where TS got involved

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056069497&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056056648&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055978601&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055980279&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055946625&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055946575&highlight=transsexual
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055984431&highlight=transsexual

Social welfare is upwards of 400,000 people. It is understandable that they have lots of threads, but to have this many on a population probably smaller than your average secondary school is insane, its well over 2200 posts altogether. The going statistic for transwomen is 1:80,000 and for transmen its 1:125,000

Well stop going on about it.

We've a manwoman in our gym. He makes me laugh. His biceps are bigger than mine tho which kinda makes me sad.

fonecrusher1

Caesar Augustus wrote: »

Sheesh, grow up. The song is about multiculturalism leading to a better society.

WTF?

Personal abuse. Post reported.^

wandatowell

mikom wrote: »

Who would have thunk it?

You quoting bill hicks?

mikom

wandatowell wrote: »

You quoting bill hicks?

No.

Barbara Hicks.

Chuchoter

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Well stop going on about it.

We don't make the threads!!

alwaysadub

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

The way i see it, if you want to talk about cars you go over to the Motors forum. If you want to talk about cardiovascular workouts you head over the Fitness & Health forum.

If you want to talk about transexuality should you not go over to the Lesbian & Gay forum?

Dropping a transexual related thread in after hours? Its fair game for a bit of piss taking. If people are going to get upset about it, then put the bloody thread in its appropriate place & don't go all defensive & shocked because someone says something stupid or misinformed, you know fine well thats what happens here in After Hours.

Thanks. You just saved me writing out a big long post saying exactly the same thing!

Johnny Favourite

Whats the story with transexuals hijacking after hours lately???

Its wrecking my head.

Links234

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

If people are going to get upset about it, then put the bloody thread in its appropriate place & don't go all defensive & shocked because someone says something stupid or misinformed, you know fine well thats what happens here in After Hours.

if people are misinfomed then I'll inform them. you know this kinda thing actually effects people lives? it effects my life.

My name is URL

It's not as if the subject is shown any less respect here than other aspects of society.. genes can be linked to the most flammable of things which are regularly discussed here on AH but it doesn't preclude people from having their own opinions on them

Stuff like Drug addiction, criminality, bad driving

ottostreet

God, this is boring

My name is URL

ottostreet wrote: »

God, this is boring

Don't blame the thread.. blame your genes

Dudess

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

The way i see it, if you want to talk about cars you go over to the Motors forum. If you want to talk about cardiovascular workouts you head over the Fitness & Health forum.

If you want to talk about transexuality should you not go over to the Lesbian & Gay forum?

Dropping a transexual related thread in after hours? Its fair game for a bit of piss taking. If people are going to get upset about it, then put the bloody thread in its appropriate place & don't go all defensive & shocked because someone says something stupid or misinformed, you know fine well thats what happens here in After Hours.

Mostly agreed but there's a big difference between piss-taking and being an out and out cunt, the latter of which AH does accommodate at times.

Absurdum

I'm happy to be ignorant of transsexuality!

fonecrusher1

Links234 wrote: »

if people are misinfomed then I'll inform them. you know this kinda thing actually effects people lives? it effects my life.

You see the problem here is i have observed you doing this time & time again. You post a thread relating to transexual issues & its basically a bated trap. I think you actually enjoy it.

You then wait for someone to make an objective opinion or an opinion that doesn't meet your criteria & then you spring forth aghast (as usual) with a very well rehearsed barrage of contradictory jargon, you essentially win through attrition & accusations. People give up.

Your going to have to be careful that it doesn't end up people become overly sympathetic & nice in patronising way towards you for fear of offending you.

Kold

OP you're implying I have to give a sh*t about what these people go through when it affects my own life.

This is a mistake on your part.

TheZohanS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBWkPRSE-W4

.

Chuchoter

Nobody is implying anyone has to care about anything, we're just asking you go about making you're points in a civil, backed up manner (as is listed in the charter but is utterly ignored in trans threads!!). I think Links234 is well within her rights to post positive threads in response to all the other threads on here. She has made 2 threads on AH as far as I can tell, the rest is people who know nothing about it and refuse to recognize any evidence we give to the subject.

gurramok

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

The way i see it, if you want to talk about cars you go over to the Motors forum. If you want to talk about cardiovascular workouts you head over the Fitness & Health forum.

If you want to talk about transexuality should you not go over to the Lesbian & Gay forum?

Dropping a transexual related thread in after hours? Its fair game for a bit of piss taking. If people are going to get upset about it, then put the bloody thread in its appropriate place & don't go all defensive & shocked because someone says something stupid or misinformed, you know fine well thats what happens here in After Hours.

Why are you assuming the thread starter 'DemolitionMan' is a transexual? Do you know him?

From that thread last night despite me being a bit tired, it was amazing how the ignorant posters accused those who disagreed with their point of view as trolling.:eek:

PanchoVilla

I used to know a transsexual. He went by the name of Willy McGee.

Dudess

Dudess wrote: »

Mostly agreed but there's a big difference between piss-taking and being an out and out cunt, the latter of which AH does accommodate at times.

God, looking back at that post, there's a few apt genital-related puns in there. Not intentional - honest.

Scuid Mhór

Links234 wrote: »

Sorry to the mods, I know the thread was locked but I can't let the shocking display of ignorance go unaddressed. in the thread if you found out your girlfriend was a transsexual what would you do, there's just so many arguments being put forward from people who really don't have any idea what transsexuality is or what trans people go through, and just being plainly wrong about what is involved in transition. and some silliness about a cat man. so I really have to clear up what misunderstandings I can

I'll start with chromosomes,
Cavehill Red said here:



it is a plain fallacy that chromosomes define gender. there's a great amount of variety in chromosomal makeup, it's not just XX and XY, but a number of others like XXY etc. you can't point to someone's genetics and say that they're male or female, the spotted history of gender testing in sports is a testament to that fact.

here's an interesting read for you, XY woman gives birth to XY daughter:


[/I]
If you define male as someone having XY chromosomes, then you are saying that this woman is a man which would be absurd. for transgender people, it makes little difference. I may or may not have XY chromosomes, but I don't really care because it does not define who I am.


next, there's plenty of talk about how transgender people should be encouraged to feel happy as they are, and that counseling is an option instead of transition, which is impossible and also assumes that they 'are' the gender they were assigned birth. psychological treatments for transsexuality have NEVER been successful, because it's not a psychological problem, it is something physical.

there's a steadily growing amount of scientific facts to show this:



Male to female transsexuals are female in a very real way, transsexuality has shown to be related to intersex conditions, and is considered by many a form of intersex. it is something that is present from birth, and cannot be altered or "fixed" with psychological methods. attempting to treat it as a mental illness has caused incredible amounts of suffering and subjects these men and women to torture. please read this article The Gender Gulag: Voices of the Asylum

It is not a 'belief' it is a biological fact that transsexuals are men and women who are born with conflicting anatomy.


now on to the straw man, sorry I mean cat man.
you can't compare the cat man to transsexuality. as we understand transsexuality, it is something that happens in fetal development where the body is only partially masculinized. all humans start out female with internal genitalia, some will later become male or stay female. sometimes the brain doesn't become masculine along with the body, or sometimes the body stays female and the brain becomes masculine. there's many ways that people can be born not typically male or female.

in order for the straw man comparisons (sorry, cat man!) to be serious, there must be some biological stage of fetal development where the body develops as a cat, and that the body image wired into the brain prenatally is that of a cat. which is why the cat man comparison is just silly nonsense, a sensationalist straw man.


but in reference to the cat man, Cavehill Red has said here:



this is just completely wrong and shows total ignorance of the process of transition. there's also constant references to surgery, mention of silicon tits, and this just seems to show the common misunderstanding that what trans people go through during transition is purely surgical. it's not, and many trans people will not have surgery at all for a variety of reasons. it's very sad that people hold this kind of misconception. there's also a lot of ignorance about how much of your body is shaped by your hormones.

What needs to be understood is that hormone replacement therapy changes the body significantly.

For a male-to-female transsexual what happens during HRT is that breasts will develop the same way that a cisgender woman's breasts develop during puberty, and will take 4-7 years to fully develop, there will be no biological difference between the breasts of a transgender woman and a cisgender woman, and the trans woman will even be fully capable of breastfeeding a child.

other changes include body weight redistribution, where the body fat distributes more to the hips and thighs, so that the body shape becomes typically female. skin completely changes, becomes soft and feminine. body hair reduces and becomes softer. body odor, pheromones and the oils that the skin produces become typically female. muscle mass decreases and overall musculature becomes typically female, even bone density changes. many, many changes happen, all having the effect that the body becomes female in every capacity bar reproductive. a transgender woman who has undergone hormone replacement therapy will smell and feel female.

none of this has anything to do with surgery!

the Olympic games allow transgender people to compete as their identified gender after that have completed their transition. a transgender woman has no physical advantages over a cisgender woman. transgender woman Mianne Bagger is a professional golfer who competes with other women.

you can see some of the physical effects of HRT in my thread this is what the transition looks like when a boy becomes a girl.


and lastly
to anyone who thinks it's clever to call transgender people "it" and joke about hurting them, trans people suffering enough abuse and bullying every day without you smart alecs adding to it. being called an it isn't funny when a transgender person is attacked in a bathroom and 'it' is carved into their chest. I'll just say to you:

HATE KILLS

sorry again mods, but this needs to be said.

i read something on after hours and i was emotionally outraged. my name is links234 and this is my story.

mikom

PanchoVilla wrote: »

I used to know a transsexual. He went by the name of Willy McGee.

Favourite movie.......... X-men

fonecrusher1

mikom wrote: »

Favourite movie.......... X-men

Favourite dinosaur.........Trannysaurus rex.

Links234

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

You see the problem here is i have observed you doing this time & time again. You post a thread relating to transexual issues & its basically a bated trap. I think you actually enjoy it.

no, I really don't enjoy it, really don't. I think you enjoy these threads though, I don't remember a transgender thread on AH you've not stuck your oar in on. this is a very serious subject for me, it effects my life, what's your excuse?

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

You then wait for someone to make an objective opinion or an opinion that doesn't meet your criteria & then you spring forth aghast (as usual) with a very well rehearsed barrage of contradictory jargon, you essentially win through attrition & accusations. People give up.

what contradictory jargon?

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Your going to have to be careful that it doesn't end up people become overly sympathetic & nice in patronising way towards you for fear of offending you.

as opposed to the open hostility, hatred and mockery directed towards trans people on here? it's a small price to pay if people think twice before posting transphobic comments.

rainbowdrop

Laughing my head off at the tags for this thread.......:D:D:D

Links, I agree with what your saying about Transexuality, but you're fighting a losing battle posting about it in AH. Most people just mock what they don't understand and that unfortunately is the way it is, and the way it always will be.

efb

For me it shows the actual intolerance levels that actually exists on boards. The undercurrent of homophobia on this website is alarming.

Alot of it is I believe how people deal with things- if they convince themselves that something doesnt exist, they don't have to deal with it.

I will always say the T in LGBT. They have been the most marginalised and opressed in our society (LGBT) and they fought for out rights, while we his in the closet.

I don't expect the keyboard warriors of AH to change, i don't thing virgins are the best reference point on sexuality.

Expecting a rational debate in AH is as likely as on on the Rugby, soccer or motors forums.

But boards has some great fora, satellite, boxing and bargain alerts to name my Fave 3.

But when I see keyboard warriors pontificating on something they have no knowledge of, I laugh and see what's a bargain this week...

My name is URL

efb wrote: »

For me it shows the actual intolerance levels that actually exists on boards. The undercurrent of homophobia on this website is alarming.

Alot of it is I believe how people deal with things- if they convince themselves that something doesnt exist, they don't have to deal with it.

I will always say the T in LGBT. They have been the most marginalised and opressed in our society (LGBT) and they fought for out rights, while we his in the closet.

I don't expect the keyboard warriors of AH to change, i don't thing virgins are the best reference point on sexuality.

Expecting a rational debate in AH is as likely as on on the Rugby, soccer or motors forums.

But boards has some great fora, satellite, boxing and bargain alerts to name my Fave 3.

But when I see keyboard warriors pontificating on something they have no knowledge of, I laugh and see what's a bargain this week...

wow.. let me know when there's a hypocritometer on sale somewhere. Your post broke mine

efb

That was sarcasm, darling!

Now where did I leave those tags...

Micky Dolenz

Oh what short memories ye all have.

Here was a very recent serious thread posted on the same subject in AH. I don't buy that AH takes the piss all of the time.

OP, it is also noted, that you have a habit of re-starting locked threads. They are closed for a reason, even if it's one you don't agree with.

Links234

rainbowdrop wrote: »

Links, I agree with what your saying about Transexuality, but you're fighting a losing battle posting about it in AH. Most people just mock what they don't understand and that unfortunately is the way it is, and the way it always will be.

if people mock what they don't understand, then educating them is the answer.

you know, there's been quite a few LGBT teen suicides in the US recently, one such was a young transgender woman who had her whole life ahead of her, but took her own life she was so terrified: http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news%2Flocal&id=7717252

Chloe's family says overall, her peers accepted her for who she was. But, she was still terrified of being bullied for coming out. They say that's what led her to commit suicide. According to gay rights group Equality Forum, in the past month, 7 teens have taken their own lives over these very same issues.

if there's callous and open ignorance then I'm going to stand up to it.

fonecrusher1

Links234 wrote: »

no, I really don't enjoy it, really don't. I think you enjoy these threads though, I don't remember a transgender thread on AH you've not stuck your oar in on. this is a very serious subject for me, it effects my life, what's your excuse?

I don't need an excuse to contribute to any thread. Its a public forum, i'l reply to any thread i want to & i will never feel like i have to avoid a thread because of the topic.

What? stupid comments from the odd idiot on AH affect you that much? This is a bloody forum. Its not real life. Would you really give theses idiots the satisfaction of being hurt by their brainless comments?

If you want a more sympathetic response from people perhaps you should start a thread in a more suitable section of the forum.

Remember someone started a thread about that horrible story about some poor paralysed woman who was found dead alongside her mother? They reckon the mother had a heart attack & so the poor girl starved to death. Anyway it was put in AH...guess what? some idiots made very very tasteless jokes about it. This is After Hours links, people can be cruel. And its very easy to be cruel sitting safely in front of a computer. Honestly you should know better than to be offended.