commercial shooting

hawke eye

well lads i was just wondering if this has happened to any of yee this year..??

i have had shooting in wicklow the past 5 year and ive just heard that commercial shooters are ment to have bought this permission for a few grand :eek::eek:


i no there is a group of people in this but some of them are tryin to say they dont do dis but the are trying to hide the name:cool::cool::pac:..


there buying all the shooting rights on the land around wicklow but only the good spots cause they are bringing people in from differnt countrys to shoot wicklow and charge loads of money for them to shoot....


but this kind of thing is going to leave no shooting for the normal lad tryin to get a few deer.. it wil be all just about the money men..

sorry about the last tread it sounded good in my head..:)

homerhop

ah you listen to the voices in there too!
I dont think there is a lot you can do about these type of fellas, frustrating and all as it is. The deer society should be doing more to clamp down on these fellas

hawke eye

yeah thats the truth..

we were shooting for the man to keep the deer from destroying his tree's

the commercial shooters are just doing it for the money not to keep the deer out..

homerhop

Have you approached him ?

Cass

How would the Deer society be able to do anything?

If its a coilte permit then they should have no right to do this as the lease would aleady be owned by hawke eye and his fellow shooters. If he didn't have the lease then there is nothing he or the DS can do. If its private land and the landowner has sold permission to these lads there is nothing the DS or he can do (afaik).

Its unfair and a pain to be sure, but i really don't see any way around it. Bar a legal route, but i'm not suggesting that as its costly and in the end fruitless.

homerhop

See i am not into the deer shooting yet, but surely they have an input into people getting a permit to shoot deer here? Do the guys bringing them in have to have that course for getting a deer license done?

hawke eye

yeah its privet ground we had the shooting on..

it is all legal what they have done but just loada bull..

no i dont no the group of lads but there is ment to be a few from wexford..

homerhop

have you been talking to the land owner?

hawke eye

yes but he just said the have paid big money for it cant blaim him for taking the money..

im just saying it happened to me this year but could happen to more shooters next year..

Cass

homerhop wrote: »

See i am not into the deer shooting yet, but surely they have an input into people getting a permit to shoot deer here?

No. The NPWS issue deer licenses.

Do the guys bringing them in have to have that course for getting a deer license done?

Are you refering to the HCAP. This course is only necessary for those shooting on coilte land. Shooters on privately owned land do not need it.



The deer alliance are the group responsible for HCAP and the likes, but i have no idea if they are related, affiliated part of the the Irish deer societies. I have no dealings with either group.

hawke eye

i wouldn know much about them..

the only reason they are buying private ground is cause they dont need the hcap or anything els and can go on this land whenever they want..

arrowloopboy

hawke eye wrote: »

i wouldn know much about them..

the only reason they are buying private ground is cause they dont need the hcap or anything els and can go on this land whenever they want..

I appreciate this seems ****ty to you,this is exactly why i don't do "permissions",i also appreciate that they appeal to alot of guys trying to shoot free or semi free.
As with most things in life,if you pay peanuts you get to deal with monkeys

hawke eye

do you agree that you should have to pay for shooting on farmers land or that you should not pay i didn't quite understand..

what i think is if you go to a farmer and ask him can you shoot realy your doin him a favour cause you would be keeping deer off his land so he saves money and most farmers appreicate it..

arrowloopboy

hawke eye wrote: »

do you agree that you should have to pay for shooting on farmers land or that you should not pay i didn't quite understand..

what i think is if you go to a farmer and ask him can you shoot realy your doin him a favour cause you would be keeping deer off his land so he saves money and most farmers appreicate it..

I agree your doing the farmer a favour,but if someone is willing to pay the farmer to do him the favour,i know who's going to get the shooting.

hawke eye

ya i would'n blame the farmer for taking it..

but he thinks there goin to get rid of all the deer..

but the only thing a commercial shooter wants is money and a good head for there paying customer for more money..

they will never keep his crops safe..

hawke eye

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Tackleberrywho

They must be providing s*x for prices like that!:D:D

My god, what some fellas would do.
a hotel costs ~€300 for a 5 night deal, rental cars €400 for 5 days.
The gillies get the remainder............

Birdnuts

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

They must be providing s*x for prices like that!:D:D

My god, what some fellas would do.
a hotel costs ~€300 for a 5 night deal, rental cars €400 for 5 days.
The gillies get the remainder............

Hunting and S%x - I'm sure there packages out there, would be interesting to google;)

ssl

Birdnuts wrote: »

Hunting and S%x - I'm sure there packages out there, would be interesting to google;)

Maybe those gillies REALLY DO earn there money so!!

pedroeibar1

ssl wrote: »

Maybe those gillies REALLY DO earn there money so!!

Well, even if I was paid that amount I would not .............with the ghillie we use!
The operation has a UK address, but the site http://www.bbr-sporting.com/mag/en/help_12.php has a French mobile tel number as a contact and the usual pidgin English syntax errors. Daft prices also for Woodcock shooting in 'Our estate located at the seaside to the south of Kerry is covered with woods, marshes, river beds and fir forests.'
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Feargal as Luimneach

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Well, even if I was paid that amount I would not .............with the ghillie we use!
The operation has a UK address, but the site http://www.bbr-sporting.com/mag/en/help_12.php has a French mobile tel number as a contact and the usual pidgin English syntax errors. Daft prices also for Woodcock shooting in 'Our estate located at the seaside to the south of Kerry is covered with woods, marshes, river beds and fir forests.'
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Forgive my ignorance! What is a ghillie?

arrowloopboy

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance! What is a ghillie?

A Ghillie is the clan chiefs right hand man,or in todays money ,a guide.

pedroeibar1

arrowloopboy wrote: »

A Ghillie is the clan chiefs right hand man,or in todays money ,a guide.

More importantly he is a guy who has permissions in local areas that would never be given to anybody else .
Rs,
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Birdnuts

ssl wrote: »

Maybe those gillies REALLY DO earn there money so!!

Unfortunatly there usually not the fit, 24 year old, blonde, female type:(;)

widespread

hawke eye wrote: »

do you agree that you should have to pay for shooting on farmers land or that you should not pay i didn't quite understand..

what i think is if you go to a farmer and ask him can you shoot realy your doin him a favour cause you would be keeping deer off his land so he saves money and most farmers appreicate it..

The benefit that these guy's bring to farmers is weather you like it or not, they are going to cull a hell of a lot more deer than you will. from my experience of farmers out my way is, they are not into getting people to manage deer herds. they want you to slaughter them.

If them lads approached any farmer in my area. They wouldn't even ask them for money. They would be delighted to see then knock as many as they could.

Farmers in my area see deer as nothing only vermin. one old guy was telling me once that they use to snare them with ropes years ago.

I got a coillte lease this year because I got sick of walking around farmers land and finding perfectly good deer just shot an left there. In my area, the farmers will use anything that fire's a projectile to cull deer.

bunny shooter

Widespread has a point

Same with bunnies. I see them as sport and food the farmers see them as a pest.

If I shoot enough he/she will get someone who will.

meathshooter1

widespread wrote: »

I got a coillte lease this year because I got sick of walking around farmers land and finding perfectly good deer just shot an left there. In my area, the farmers will use anything that fire's a projectile to cull deer.

for the same reason I gave up my coillte leases they where been lamped to bits only have private lands now

doctor evil

Would it be fair to say that the commercial operations are in for a decent stag and would ignore the does and inferior stags?

widespread

meathshooter1 wrote: »

for the same reason I gave up my coillte leases they where been lamped to bits only have private lands now

I joined up with a couple of guy's i work with this year in there lease. What I have found so far is the boy's with the lamps, it's not late at night there lamping it's early in the morning. The only thing is, the lease is near my house about 1/2 mile away and I have caught a few of my neighbours at it but I have noticed that they have f&*ked off now they know i'm involved in it.

I know a group of lads from wexford that have a lease about 2 miles from mine, they reckon they have just moved on to them. They were telling me more so this year then any other the s#$t is being lamped out of there place. Even the lads that I joined up with have noticed a drop in the level of lamping.