man refused entry to restaurant for wearing tracksuit - punches manager!

ongarboy

read this on yesterday's Evening Herald that a man was refused entry into a restaurant in Lord Edward Street in Dublin 2 because he wore a tracksuit. He got angry for being refused and punched the manager before the staff restrained him and called the cops. Do you think restaurants, bars, niteclubs etc are right to have dress code policies?

ejmaztec

Gumshield, boxing gloves and tux.

kraggy

Self-fulfilling prophecy?

mojesius

ongarboy wrote: »

read this on yesterday's Evening Herald that a man was refused entry into a restaurant in Lord Edward Street in Dublin 2 because he wore a tracksuit. He got angry for being refused and punched the manager before the staff restrained him and called the cops. Do you think restaurants, bars, niteclubs etc are right to have dress code policies?

Yes and this scummer's reaction explains why.

La Haine

Sure are boss.

prinz

Why not?

Shenshen

I think this case illustrates the need for such dress codes quite nicely...

The guy punched the manager.
Can you imagine how tracksuit man would have reacted if once inside the restaurant he didn't like something about the service or the food?

Ruu_Old

Of course they have a right to enforce clothing policy. I don't to have to watch some ruddy cunt with his hands down his tracksuit while eating my grub!

28064212

Right? They're right if it works. If they make it too restrictive, they'll lose customers. Too lax, they'll lose customers. It's up to the business who they want to target (except for discrimination against gender, age, ethnicity etc). I believe they're required to make their dress-code public though

spadesaspade

I would imagine it was the look of the guy that kept him out, every manager has the right to refuse anyone who might cause trouble, unlucky for him. Hope he gets a few years for smacking him

GavRedKing

ongarboy wrote: »

read this on yesterday's Evening Herald that a man was refused entry into a restaurant in Lord Edward Street in Dublin 2 because he wore a tracksuit. He got angry for being refused and punched the manager before the staff restrained him and called the cops. Do you think restaurants, bars, niteclubs etc are right to have dress code policies?

Do you think restaurants

Depending on the restuarant, in your local chinese, no dress code, fancy eatery, yes

bars

yes, no tracksuits, its not hard to wear a pants or jeans

, niteclubs

see previous

etc are right to have dress code policies?

In short, yes, yes they have a right IMO.

Scuid Mhór

damn, guys gotta look classy on a night out 'cause they got nothing else.

Wossack

Yes, Im in favour of these thinly veiled no-scumbag policies

Asphyxia

Yes I do. I couldn't imagine going to a nice restaurant in a tracksuit :eek:

Snakeblood

ongarboy wrote: »

read this on yesterday's Evening Herald that a man was refused entry into a restaurant in Lord Edward Street in Dublin 2 because he wore a tracksuit. He got angry for being refused and punched the manager before the staff restrained him and called the cops. Do you think restaurants, bars, niteclubs etc are right to have dress code policies?

It's private property, and they have the right to admit who they want (barring the whole woman\race thing).

stovelid

If you extend this reasoning, then there has never ever been any trouble in any bar or nightclub that refuses entry to people in tracksuits.

As for dress codes; their business; their call.

charlemont

the man is right, he was treated with ignorance and he responded to it..

28064212

charlemont wrote: »

the man is right, he was treated with ignorance and he responded to it..

First of all, violence is not a reasonable response to ignorance. Secondly, was he treated any differently to anyone else who turned up in a tracksuit? If a multi-millionaire turned up at the restaurant in a tracksuit, he should be turned away. If the guy in the story had turned up respectably dressed, he would have been admitted. Where's the ignorance?

Liberalbrehon

charlemont wrote: »

the man is right, he was treated with ignorance and he responded to it..

Are you saying he was right to assault the manager?
I am seriously restraining myself from telling you off but I'll start with this
Anything else you condone? murder, knife crime, mugging, rape (sure she was asking for it)
Really, engage some of the braincells you have to think of the consequences of what you are saying.
If a waiter or shop assistant was ignorant to you (I could understand why) are you saying you have the right to assault that person?

Aaaarrrggghhh

prinz

charlemont wrote: »

.....he was treated with ignorance and he responded to it........

How so? Unless you can prove an exception was made for him, he was sunject to the same rules as everyone else. That's like saying if I start smoking in a pub I should punch the manager if he tells me to stop.

Victor_M

charlemont wrote: »

the man is right, he was treated with ignorance and he responded to it..

Jesus, there's always one!

If you don't want to be treated like a scumbag, don't dress or act like one.

I doubt the tracksuit was the only give away that this fella was a skanger, you can usually tell by looking at them.

Turns out the manager was right, he was a scumbag, otherwise he wouldn't have punched the manager he would have called the guards, or reported the restaurant for discrimination.

jackiebaron

Well I wouldn't allow a bloke dressed as a klansman into Fat Al's Soul Kitchen or a neo-Nazi skinhead into the Bombay Palace either, based on dress code :pac:

The Aussie

charlemont wrote: »

the man is right, he was treated with ignorance and he responded to it..

28064212 wrote: »

violence is not a reasonable response to ignorance.

It is if your a complete sh!tbag, and then you have bigger sh!tbags defending them from some keyboard thinking to themselves "trackies rule maan(in scummer accent)"

Orando Broom

charlemont wrote: »

the man is right, he was treated with ignorance and he responded to it..

Can you confirm that you are not actually a complete skanger? A pic and a copy of this evening's Heddild in it for verification purposes.

Jesus.

Donkey Oaty

It wasn't just about being refused entry though - sounds like there was a bit of a build up and it could have been handled better by the restaurant.

He lost his temper when he tried to complain to the manager, and when he asked the manager's name he was told it was "Mickey Mouse".

and this is how the Guards saw it:

Garda Barry Keegan said Smullen went into the restaurant and tried to order food but was refused service as he was not wearing the appropriate attire.

Garda Keegan said the defendant became aggressive, and demanded to speak to the bar manager.

He then stuck out a leg and attempted to trip the manager, who was carrying plates of food at the time.

The court heard that staff restrained Smullen, and during the scuffle he hit out and punched the manager on the lip. He received only a slight cut.

From the original Herald report.

jackiebaron

charlemont wrote: »

the man is right, he was treated with ignorance and he responded to it..

Was not the manager then well within his rights to get a large cleaver from the kitchen and hack the tracksuited gent to mincemeat in self-defence?

optogirl

Liberalbrehon wrote: »

Are you saying he was right to assault the manager?
I am seriously restraining myself from telling you off but I'll start with this
Anything else you condone? murder, knife crime, mugging, rape (sure she was asking for it)
Really, engage some of the braincells you have to think of the consequences of what you are saying.
If a waiter or shop assistant was ignorant to you (I could understand why) are you saying you have the right to assault that person?

Aaaarrrggghhh

Bit of an overreaction

robbie_998

Ruu wrote: »

Of course they have a right to enforce clothing policy. I don't to have to watch some ruddy cunt with his hands down his tracksuit while eating my grub!

i saw a girl do it the other day standing at a busstop.

not rubbing but as if she was scratching her balls !

mind she only looked about 12 or 13

curlzy

Am I the only person that really and truly just doesn't give a **** what someone wears, be it Prada, Gucci, Pennys, hoopy earrings, ugg boots etc etc. I honestly just never gave a **** what anyone wears and it really boggles my mind that it seems to bother other people. LIke the pyjama wearers don't bother me AT ALL, don't wear them myself but that's coz I live in jeans, anywho I've seen people almost foam at the mouth with rage over this. Honestly puzzles me how people can worry about this ****, to me, as long as your covered I literally couldn't care less.

optogirl

prinz wrote: »

How so? Unless you can prove an exception was made for him, he was sunject to the same rules as everyone else. That's like saying if I start smoking in a pub I should punch the manager if he tells me to stop.

smoking in a pub is illegal. Wearing a tracksuit is not.

arybvtcw0eolkf

jackiebaron wrote: »

Well I wouldn't allow a bloke dressed as a klansman into Fat Al's Soul Kitchen or a neo-Nazi skinhead into the Bombay Palace either, based on dress code :pac:

I love Bombay Pantry, yummy food - dammit, and now I want :pac:

prinz

optogirl wrote: »

smoking in a pub is illegal. Wearing a tracksuit is not.

A bar/restaurant with a dress code is also perfectly legal. So they are legally entitled to refuse entry/service.

Snakeblood

curlzy wrote: »

Am I the only person that really and truly just doesn't give a **** what someone wears, be it Prada, Gucci, Pennys, hoopy earrings, ugg boots etc etc. I honestly just never gave a **** what anyone wears and it really boggles my mind that it seems to bother other people. LIke the pyjama wearers don't bother me AT ALL, don't wear them myself but that's coz I live in jeans, anywho I've seen people almost foam at the mouth with rage over this. Honestly puzzles me how people can worry about this ****, to me, as long as your covered I literally couldn't care less.

Doesn't bother me, really, except if I'm a manager who wants to attract rich people to my restaurant. Unless it's a group of footballers from Chelsea over to sample the nightlife and molest some women while spending large amounts of cash, they can wear suits.

Irish Guitarist

A few years ago I would have said no. In the last few years though I've noticed that pretty much anyone that causes me hassle or shouts abuse at me on the street is wearing a tracksuit tucked into a pair of white socks. I don't like to judge people based on their clothing but the majority of people in tracksuits are scumbags that love causing trouble. So, yes, I do think restaurants should refuse entry to tracksuit wearers.

Feeona

He threw a tantrum when he didn't get what he wanted. He would've been far better off appealing to the manager's human side instead of losing his temper. End result: tracksuit story non-existant, thus leaving room for the obligatory ill-researched column about how 'public money should be spent'

changes

Hopefully he will get to wear his nice tracksuit to the restaurant in mountjoy.

Latchy

A tracksuits is a sports attire and wearing it to a social occasion is a big faux pas, the equivalent to ( but much worse than ) women who wear pajamas to the school or shops .It shows a complete lack of dress sense , imagination and effort on behalf of the wearer . Dress code standards must to be kept up :cool:

the bolt

Snakeblood wrote: »

It's private property, and they have the right to admit who they want (barring the whole woman\race thing).

is a bar classed as private property,i would of thought if its open to the public it would become public property.

Snakeblood

the bolt wrote: »

is a bar classed as private property,i would of thought if its open to the public it would become public property.

Someone owns a bar, hence private property. A government office, everyone owns, thus public and can't impose dress code on visitors.

saywhatyousee

Snakeblood wrote: »

Someone owns a bar, hence private property. A government office, everyone owns, thus public and can't impose dress code on visitors.

wrong considering it is impossible to actually own something in ireland(i am talking about a building or premises)for example if you actually owned something you would not have to pay tax on it

Snakeblood

saywhatyousee wrote: »

wrong considering it is impossible to actually own something in ireland(i am talking about a building or premises)for example if you actually owned something you would not have to pay tax on it

Was this supposed to make sense?

prinz

the bolt wrote: »

is a bar classed as private property,i would of thought if its open to the public it would become public property.

saywhatyousee wrote: »

wrong considering it is impossible to actually own something in ireland...

Pubs, shops, restaurants are private property. Your right to be there only goes as far as the owner, manager, proprietor allows you to be there.

Sonnenblumen

ongarboy wrote: »

read this on yesterday's Evening Herald that a man was refused entry into a restaurant in Lord Edward Street in Dublin 2 because he wore a tracksuit. He got angry for being refused and punched the manager before the staff restrained him and called the cops. Do you think restaurants, bars, niteclubs etc are right to have dress code policies?

Every private business has/should have the right to determine right of admission. A 'No nackers policy' is fine by me, famous sportspeople excluded of course.

FruitLover

A tracksuit is a knacker's uniform. Anyone wearing one to a restaurant should expect to be treated as such.

Sharkey 10

I dont agree with dress codes and thankfully most places dont have them because you wont catch me wearing a pair of shoes to a pub or club. The restaurant has the right to stop people coming in Afaik.
Could someone clear up whether or not pubs can refuse someone on for not wearing certain clothing? I thought pubs gave up some rights to access by the very fact that they are a pub.

prinz

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

Could someone clear up whether or not pubs can refuse someone on for not wearing certain clothing? I thought pubs gave up some rights to access by the very fact that they are a pub.

Yes, they can. They don't even have to provide a reason. Management reserve the right to refuse admission. A pub is no different to a shop or café.

jdivision

If he wanted a cup of tea why did he go into a restaurant instead of one of the bars?

Princess Peach

If I ruled the world, and someday I will, I would have a permanent dress code that banned tracksuits for all non athletic activities.

Kimono-Girl

Princess Peach wrote: »

If I ruled the world, and someday I will, I would have a permanent dress code that banned tracksuits for all non athletic activities.

about time someone took a stand!!!:D

fonecrusher1

What sort of dumbo decides to head into a restaurant wearing a tracksuit? Wait he's probably a scummer. Nevermind.:pac:

SuperInfinity

Shenshen wrote: »

Can you imagine how tracksuit man would have reacted if once inside the restaurant he didn't like something about the service or the food?

Actually I would think tracksuit men aren't usually fussy about such things, so I doubt he would even complain... unless he asked for a "batter burger" and they gave him a "burger au poivre" or something.