CWG interesting development!

Sparks

(BTW, standing air rifle = 5.5kg; standing smallbore rifle = 8kg + recoil; standing 300m = 8kg + serious recoil).

It wasn't me!

Sparks wrote: »

standing 300m = 8kg + serious recoil).

Well, about as much as a .223, even in a standard rifle weight (5.5kg), less in the heavier free rifle. It's really not tough, though for the course of fire and the size of the targets, it's very challenging indeed to shoot well with it.

Sparks

Nope, I don't agree - I don't care how manly your shoulder is, the recoil from even a smallbore rifle in ISSF 3P is going to do damage if you're unsupported and shooting properly because all your muscles are relaxed and your back is under torsion and multiple-axis tension. 6mmBR recoil into a spine that's twisted and bent back and to the side with all the muscles relaxed - that's a good reason for a well-fitting jacket, right there.

When you take a shot with a .300 win mag or a .308 or whatever, you're leaning into it and tensed up to stay that way; with the ISSF 300m stuff you're not, you're upright and neutral and relaxed and the rifle's just cinched into you so you take the full whack of the recoil and have to flex with it. Different setup entirely.

bunny shooter

Bit different to classic rifle & the other types of shooting I do so

Didn't realise those rifles were that heavy or that the matches were/could be that long in duration.

Makes sense now alright :cool:

It wasn't me!

Sparks wrote: »

Nope, I don't agree - I don't care how manly your shoulder is, the recoil from even a smallbore rifle in ISSF 3P is going to do damage if you're unsupported and shooting properly because all your muscles are relaxed and your back is under torsion and multiple-axis tension. 6mmBR recoil into a spine that's twisted and bent back and to the side with all the muscles relaxed - that's a good reason for a well-fitting jacket, right there.

When you take a shot with a .300 win mag or a .308 or whatever, you're leaning into it and tensed up to stay that way; with the ISSF 300m stuff you're not, you're upright and neutral and relaxed and the rifle's just cinched into you so you take the full whack of the recoil and have to flex with it. Different setup entirely.

Aye, the whole thing about phsyically training for the strong core is to allow you to flex properly. I agree though, with proper clothing and proper training you'll take it fine. Without it, you'll do damage with or without recoil.

bunny shooter wrote: »

Bit different to classic rifle & the other types of shooting I do so

Didn't realise those rifles were that heavy or that the matches were/could be that long in duration.

Makes sense now alright :cool:

Oh aye, the standing match in the 3P is an hour and a quarter. The full match is nearly four hours long. That's why you need support. Holding up 8kg for that long, training a few times a week and competing regularly, you'd destroy yourself. Even a prone 60 shot match is an hour and a quarter long.

Sparks

bunny shooter wrote: »

Didn't realise those rifles were that heavy or that the matches were/could be that long in duration.

It's probably the biggest regularly-encountered danger in ISSF shooting; because it's "just" air rifle and "just" smallbore rifle and "just" 6mmBR instead of bigger cartridges, people sometimes think there's no risk and use bad positions to shoot it, or don't warm up or stretch properly or use ill-fitting jackets, or whatever. Chronic back problems (or chronic nerve damage like I got) ensue as a result.

FLOYDSTER

This sport is looking more sand more dangerous!!, were are my lawn bowls???:D

Sparks

'Tis well enough for some, you lot get to lie down all the time

rrpc

Sparks wrote: »

'Tis well enough for some, you lot get to lie down all the time

It's not the lying down that's the problem, it's the getting up afterwards