Garda inaction and our area descending into chaos

AlekSmart

ciaran_h wrote: »

Right so....and have you contacted any local politicians?...my thing is i'm also from the same area and my area most definitely isnt descending into chaos so im a bit puzzled...its as good (and as bad in spots) as it ever was

Interesting comparisons Ciaran_h,but the question remains as to whether it has to be an "either-or" situation regarding the definition of chaos.

I do'nt live in the area,but usually travel through it twice or more daily and I often come across examples of the two opposites.

I could weave my way across several quiet,almost deserted resedential streets and cul-de-sac's only to come down to the shops and find two groups of feral youths savaging each other and (in my own case) delivering a few kicks to my car merely cos it prevented the capture of one of the opposing thugs....the savagery I personally witnessed was enough to get me out of there rapidly....but what was perhaps more depressing was the folk's in the Take-Away just gazing upon the scene and even laughing as the scene unfolded.

I have also encountered similar faction-fighting on the Red Line as it passed through the two more popular stops.

However,to counter that I also have many occasions to pass through the area without any occurences whatever.

I'm not so certain that anything can be take from these experiences to prove or disprove opposing posts relating to an area,but sadly the negative occurrences are an abberance and cannot ever be deemed sort-of,kind-of acceptable whereas a quiet peaceful journey free from abuse or threat is an Absolute Democratic Right of every citizen and we need to be VERY careful in allowing that fundamental right to be chipped away in some vague quest for better understanding of marginalized people....:(

Although not directly relevant to this particular location,there is some interesting between-the-lines stuff to be taken from this account .....

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/just-14-gardai-on-duty-during-night-of-attacks-2927107.html

:eek:

hatrickpatrick

Ciaran Noonan was walking with his cousin in Dublin in the middle of the afternoon, in broad daylight, when a car pulled up beside him, a bunch of guys jumped out, attacked him with an iron bar, and then pulled him into the car and drove away.
The car was found in the basement of an apartment block in Meath with blood all over the inside of it. They hadn't even bothered to get rid of the forensics. The guy's body was found last night dumped in a field.

This case absolutely horrified and shocked me. Not because of the incident itself, but because these guys were so fearless. They believed they could beat the sh!t out of a guy in broad daylight in front of tons of witnesses, kill him, leave the car, with its reg plates on and all the forensics intact, and face no consequences.

It terrifies me to my soul. If people think they can get away with stuff like this, our country really is in a very, very bad state indeed.

And I have to ask how much police time is wasted by useless nanny state crap like people smoking weed in their own homes or having a few beers outside at a beach or green (which is illegal in Dublin).

Furthermore, even if people ARE busted for this stuff how likely is it that they'll get a "suspended sentence" (read: Get off scott free) or some such bullsh!t?

We have messed up priorities, and a totally defunct legal system to deal with the tiny minority of actual criminals who ARE caught in the net.

Hell, just look at the fraud that's gone on in the banking sector and ask yourself, why has nobody been charged with any offenses four years on?

hatrickpatrick

MagicSean wrote: »

You can get up on your high horse all you want. But in the real world this is a common problem everywhere. It has not been properly addressed by politicians via social policy and legislation. These people look for a target and if you give them the enjoyment they want they will come back. It's simple really.



Arrested them for what?



The only criminal act there is the use of a firework. It would not be possible to arrest for it as there is no evidence and the identity of the one who threw it is not known.



I think you should look up the legislation you think these crimes fall under.



Throwing stones is not a life threatening situation. The op never mentioned the window being broken either. I would barrage of items was as the op described there would be at least some damage. Throwing stones is not a crime by the way.

Sorry but are you implying vandalism of private property isn't illegal?

AlekSmart

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Sorry but are you implying vandalism of private property isn't illegal?

That's what I felt Hatrickpatrick,I hope it's not the implication but if so then it's a perfect example of the "Broken Pane" syndrome in action......First the pane,then the window,then the wall,then the building,then the area etc etc....:(

ciaran_h

AlekSmart wrote: »

Interesting comparisons Ciaran_h,but the question remains as to whether it has to be an "either-or" situation regarding the definition of chaos.

I do'nt live in the area,but usually travel through it twice or more daily and I often come across examples of the two opposites.

I could weave my way across several quiet,almost deserted resedential streets and cul-de-sac's only to come down to the shops and find two groups of feral youths savaging each other and (in my own case) delivering a few kicks to my car merely cos it prevented the capture of one of the opposing thugs....the savagery I personally witnessed was enough to get me out of there rapidly....but what was perhaps more depressing was the folk's in the Take-Away just gazing upon the scene and even laughing as the scene unfolded.

I have also encountered similar faction-fighting on the Red Line as it passed through the two more popular stops.

However,to counter that I also have many occasions to pass through the area without any occurences whatever.

I'm not so certain that anything can be take from these experiences to prove or disprove opposing posts relating to an area,but sadly the negative occurrences are an abberance and cannot ever be deemed sort-of,kind-of acceptable whereas a quiet peaceful journey free from abuse or threat is an Absolute Democratic Right of every citizen and we need to be VERY careful in allowing that fundamental right to be chipped away in some vague quest for better understanding of marginalized people....:(

Although not directly relevant to this particular location,there is some interesting between-the-lines stuff to be taken from this account .....

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/just-14-gardai-on-duty-during-night-of-attacks-2927107.html

:eek:

yeah fair comment....the shops in question are the scene of a lot of anti social behaviour - and to my mind the result of dublin ciy council housing section relocating problem families to that part of the area a few years ago leaving a critical mass of scumbags down there

michael999999

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Ciaran Noonan was walking with his cousin in Dublin in the middle of the afternoon, in broad daylight, when a car pulled up beside him, a bunch of guys jumped out, attacked him with an iron bar, and then pulled him into the car and drove away.
The car was found in the basement of an apartment block in Meath with blood all over the inside of it. They hadn't even bothered to get rid of the forensics. The guy's body was found last night dumped in a field.

This case absolutely horrified and shocked me. Not because of the incident itself, but because these guys were so fearless. They believed they could beat the sh!t out of a guy in broad daylight in front of tons of witnesses, kill him, leave the car, with its reg plates on and all the forensics intact, and face no consequences.

It terrifies me to my soul. If people think they can get away with stuff like this, our country really is in a very, very bad state indeed.

And I have to ask how much police time is wasted by useless nanny state crap like people smoking weed in their own homes or having a few beers outside at a beach or green (which is illegal in Dublin).

Furthermore, even if people ARE busted for this stuff how likely is it that they'll get a "suspended sentence" (read: Get off scott free) or some such bullsh!t?

We have messed up priorities, and a totally defunct legal system to deal with the tiny minority of actual criminals who ARE caught in the net.

Hell, just look at the fraud that's gone on in the banking sector and ask yourself, why has nobody been charged with any offenses four years on?

They actually returned later that night to burn out the car, panicked and burned out a similar car in a different part of the car park. Thus leaving the car they used as a DNA goldmine for the Gardai!

edanto

Can't imagine Gardai would have the resources to do DNA on that level of crime. Solving those type of crimes really relies on the community passing information, not hi tech.

pragmatic1

edanto wrote: »

Can't imagine Gardai would have the resources to do DNA on that level of crime. Solving those type of crimes really relies on the community passing information, not hi tech.

DNA isnt exactly hi-tech at this stage and it isnt all that expensive either.

pragmatic1

pragmatic1 wrote: »

DNA isnt exactly hi-tech at this stage and it isnt all that expensive either.

Its only going to get worse over the next few years OP. This country is going down fast.

hatrickpatrick

Yeah I'd heard that, wasn't sure if it was confirmed. The point is though, what kind of society are we living in where people believe they can do something like that in broad daylight and face absolutely no consequences over it?

What kind of society are we living in where people like Seanie can do what they did and feel no fear of justice?

Not specifically blaming the Gardai for any of this, IMO it's the entire system, the police, the courts, the politicians and our country's incredibly screwed up (a) priorities and (b) way of doing things which leads to the sort of society we have today.

ciaran_h

edanto wrote: »

Can't imagine Gardai would have the resources to do DNA on that level of crime. Solving those type of crimes really relies on the community passing information, not hi tech.

Errrr on a murder? Why wouldn't they? Think were talking about Ciaran noonan (RIP) abduction in east wall and subsequent murder

hatrickpatrick

BTW I asked last night and this is indeed something you could report to the Ombudsman, give that a try if it's really bad. "Neglect of duty".

Utik

hatrickpatrick, we have sent our complaint to the garda ombudsman 6 weeks ago and didnt hear anything from them since. I rang them after a month and they still did not make any decision on whether it is admissable or not.
I will update daily incident on twitter: @theamrad.

cursai

michael999999 wrote: »

No Guard, i can guarantee you dont pay my wages. Unless your in exports?

Do you export fertiliser?

ciaran_h

Utik wrote: »

hatrickpatrick, we have sent our complaint to the garda ombudsman 6 weeks ago and didnt hear anything from them since. I rang them after a month and they still did not make any decision on whether it is admissable or not.
I will update daily incident on twitter: @theamrad.

And that helps you how?? I'm sure all the boardsies love reading it but that aside....

And how did you get on with drimnagh Res Assoc or politicians?

Fulton Crown

Look get real Guys:

Everybody knows that in the Guardai there exists a significant rump of hole pickers and lazy cnunts with minimal social skills.

Go into almost any garda station and you will be met by the following.

Dirty tattered notices sellotaped to grotty windows (standard civil service signage).

A fat unkempt member will waddle over to you from the day room from a table littered with papers and coffee cartons and licking the stub of a pencil will ask you gruffly what you want.

Three or four more equally unkempt members will wander in pick their holes and make inane enquiries as to what shift Tadgh / Mary is on etc.

Phones will be ringing incessantly but ignored by the "busy" guards.

That my friends is the typical Garda station....and you expect them to take on a shower of viscious ferral knacks......?

Get real my friends......

paddyandy

is to blame...if the call for Law and Order was loud and clear enough the politicians would have to deal with it.There is no collective sense of responsibility for the common good.Citizenship it's called.Apathy is our undoing as a nation.