house trainging a puppy

davemc180

hi all i got a little 8 week old staffy male and he pees and ****s everywhere every few mins it seems im constantly cleaning up after him lol..

iv put down a towel in my room and everytime i see him go or posture about to go i put him on the towel but he wont go then wen hes on it..

hel literally hold it in till i move away and he can get back onto my floor boards!!

anybody have any tips or pointers to put me in the right direction as its getting very tedious!!

thanks

portgirl123

The joys of owning a puppy.lol. What are u feeding him? the cheaper food makes them poop more, Are you leaving a constant supply of food with him.

Pups will only be as good as you are, you have to be constant with him. As soon as he wakes, playes, eats, drinks. Basical every 20 mins take him out to where you want him to go. when he goes praise. A pup can be a yr or so old before they are realiable.

Please post a pic. love staffs

Wolfe Tone

Talking to a fella who has owned dogs all his life, he swears that grabbing the pup by the scruff of the neck and sticking its nose into the pee works best.


Sounds harsh imo.

andreac

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Talking to a fella who has owned dogs all his life, he swears that grabbing the pup by the scruff of the neck and sticking its nose into the pee works best.


Sounds harsh imo.

Please do not do this!! Its cruel and outdated and it doesnt teach the dog anything.

Firslty your pup is only 8 weeks old. They cannot hold it for very long as their bladder is still weak so when they need to go, they do, no matter where it is.

You need to bring the pup out regularly, every half hour, after every meal, drink, play session and sleep.

You need to praise lots so they associate going outside with good rewards.

It will months to train a puppy so you need to be patient.

Crate training will help you too so i would recommend that so maybe look into that too.

portgirl123

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Talking to a fella who has owned dogs all his life, he swears that grabbing the pup by the scruff of the neck and sticking its nose into the pee works best.


Sounds harsh imo.

Are you serious, i have owned dogs most of my life and no way would i ever do this. That is so cruel. and i imagine the only thing this would achive is to make the dog scared of the owner and prob make the poor thing so scared to toilet that he wont go while the owner is around. Woulf prob end up hiding the fact and toiledt god knows where.

OP please dont take this advice

davemc180

portgirl123 wrote: »

The joys of owning a puppy.lol. What are u feeding him? the cheaper food makes them poop more, Are you leaving a constant supply of food with him.

Pups will only be as good as you are, you have to be constant with him. As soon as he wakes, playes, eats, drinks. Basical every 20 mins take him out to where you want him to go. when he goes praise. A pup can be a yr or so old before they are realiable.

Please post a pic. love staffs

thanks for the advice. yea iv noticed the cheaper food runs threw him iv been feeding him dry mixer with a little hot water to soften it for him and small ceaser puppy food sachets..

any recommended puppy food i.e pedigree etc..

il post a pic of him in a hour or 2 just have to find my charger for the camera

Enter Username

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Talking to a fella who has owned dogs all his life, he swears that grabbing the pup by the scruff of the neck and sticking its nose into the pee works best.


Sounds harsh imo.

Worst advise ever, I have also had dogs all my life and have found that house training is not actually that hard.

The problem with pups is that their digestive system is not fully developed and as such they have very little control over it. After eating or drinking they will always need to go toilet within 20 mins.

So the trick is - after they eat/drink bring them straight outside and keep them out until they go. Do this after every meal and they will eventually learn to only go outside.

Puppies only need to be fed three times a day, dont leave food out for them. Put it out in the morning, if they dont eat after 15 mins take it away. do the same in the afternnon and evening. this way you can control when they eat and when they go toilet.

Sigma Force

He's only 8 weeks and if he will pee and poop a lot for the next few months so you just have to get used to it, have a mop and bucket to hand or place him in a tiled area. They really can't help it at that age and it takes time, some pups are quicker than others but he's bladder wouldn't be fully mature for a few months. Some pups are quickly trained but it still takes a few months and others will still have accidents when they are over a year.

It's a matter of you predicting when he needs to go so taking him outside regularly and staying outside with him to make sure he does it and so you can be there to praise him, ignore the pees and poos in the house and praise him when he does it outside. Don't say a word when he has accidents in the house just clean it up, ignoring the pups naughty behaviour is punishment enough they hate being ignored.

Give it time and you should expect to be woken up (if you are crate training) from1 to 4 times a night for the next couple of weeks/months it's pretty normal. Which is why I got our youngest pup during a summer, made toilet training more pleasant being stuck outside at 3am waiting for him to pee.

andreac

davemc180 wrote: »

thanks for the advice. yea iv noticed the cheaper food runs threw him iv been feeding him dry mixer with a little hot water to soften it for him and small ceaser puppy food sachets..

any recommended puppy food i.e pedigree etc..

il post a pic of him in a hour or 2 just have to find my charger for the camera

Pedigree is crap really as is most fo the supermarket brands. I suggest you pop down to your local pet shop and pick up a better quality food like Royal Canin, Red Mills, Burns, James Wellbeloved, Arden Grange and so on.

They are much better quality so you dont have to feed as much and you will notice a big difference in their coat, condition and their poops.

Wolfe Tone

portgirl123 wrote: »

Are you serious, i have owned dogs most of my life and no way would i ever do this. That is so cruel. and i imagine the only thing this would achive is to make the dog scared of the owner and prob make the poor thing so scared to toilet that he wont go while the owner is around. Woulf prob end up hiding the fact and toiledt god knows where.

OP please dont take this advice

Thats what he said to me. I didn't do it with my dog. As I said I thought it was harsh.

davemc180

andreac wrote: »

Please do not do this!! Its cruel and outdated and it doesnt teach the dog anything.

Firslty your pup is only 8 weeks old. They cannot hold it for very long as their bladder is still weak so when they need to go, they do, no matter where it is.

You need to bring the pup out regularly, every half hour, after every meal, drink, play session and sleep.

You need to praise lots so they associate going outside with good rewards.

It will months to train a puppy so you need to be patient.

Crate training will help you too so i would recommend that so maybe look into that too.

thanks for the tips.. yea i relise hes still very young and he nos no better.

i no this may sound silly but can they be trained to use a litter tray?:o

davemc180

andreac wrote: »

Pedigree is crap really as is most fo the supermarket brands. I suggest you pop down to your local pet shop and pick up a better quality food like Royal Canin, Red Mills, Burns, James Wellbeloved, Arden Grange and so on.

They are much better quality so you dont have to feed as much and you will notice a big difference in their coat, condition and their poops.

ah royal canin i never even tot of that my sis breeds poms and chiwowas and this is wat they get fed!!

thanks

andreac

davemc180 wrote: »

thanks for the tips.. yea i relise hes still very young and he nos no better.

i no this may sound silly but can they be trained to use a litter tray?:o

Why would you want them to use a litter tray? If you do this you will have problems then teaching the dog to go outside and if you go somewhere for the day or where theres no litter tray then your dog might hold on and not go for you so i wouldnt advice this.

Can you not bring the dog outside??

portgirl123

davemc180 wrote: »

thanks for the advice. yea iv noticed the cheaper food runs threw him iv been feeding him dry mixer with a little hot water to soften it for him and small ceaser puppy food sachets..

any recommended puppy food i.e pedigree etc..

il post a pic of him in a hour or 2 just have to find my charger for the camera

Great cant wait to see pics.

I thinks the likes of pedigree, bakers in fact anything bought from a super market is crap. I feed all mine on RC as i find they poop lots less. Also if changing food do it gradually over 7-10 days as otherwise your pup will end up with a very bad tum

Sigma Force

There are wee wee pads you can get and you can use them with the tray you can buy for them but to be honest it's a waste of money. Litter training still teaches a dog it's ok to wee in the house so you really need to just open the back door and let him out regularly.

A good quality dog food will help with the amount of times and solidity of the poo but being so tiny the pup will still need to go to the loo a lot, just like babies they just seem to do nothing but poo, eat and sleep.

I tried Royal Canin with my pup but I found Burns much better but it all depends on the dog nothing wrong with something like Red Mills as well and you can start by feeding the pup on dry food only now it's cheaper in the long run and less smelly. zooplus.co.uk are a reasonably priced when it comes to good quality dog food, just be careful not to change his diet too much coz he could get an upset tum with the change of brands.

Asphyxia

Hey I agree with some of the posters 8 weeks is very young for the pup. I started training my little one at 3/4 months. I tried taking him out to the back yard every few hours but it didn't work so I just used stick his nose in it and bring him out to the backyard and within a month he had stopped going in the house and started going to the back door when he needed to go. I know some people think it's cruel but it didn't do him any harm and the vet said it was okay.

portgirl123

Pocketfizz wrote: »

Hey I agree with some of the posters 8 weeks is very young for the pup. I started training my little one at 3/4 months. I tried taking him out to the back yard every few hours but it didn't work so I just used stick his nose in it and bring him out to the backyard and within a month he had stopped going in the house and started going to the back door when he needed to go. I know some people think it's cruel but it didn't do him any harm and the vet said it was okay.

OMG all i can say is would you like your nose stuck in it? Every few hrs is not enough, has to be every 20-30 mins every day. If you cant/havent the time for this, a pup is not for you

andreac

Pocketfizz wrote: »

Hey I agree with some of the posters 8 weeks is very young for the pup. I started training my little one at 3/4 months. I tried taking him out to the back yard every few hours but it didn't work so I just used stick his nose in it and bring him out to the backyard and within a month he had stopped going in the house and started going to the back door when he needed to go. I know some people think it's cruel but it didn't do him any harm and the vet said it was okay.

Are you serious?? Id be seriously changing my vet if he recommended that and probably even consider reporting him for advising cruelty as that what it is.

It teaches a dog nothing, how could it? A dog that pees and later on has its nose stuck in it has absol no clue as to why its getting its nose stuck into its own urine so how does it teach anything:mad:
Poor dogs, thats all i can say. ANyone who does this to their dogs are cruel imo as theres absol no need to do this to any animal.

It takes months to teach a dog to go outside and lots of patience and rewarding.

Would you stick a childs nose into its pee if it wets its pants when its a toddler?? I doubt it, so why do it to a dog.:mad:

Wolfe Tone

Apparently you do not actually rub its nose in it, just hold it over the pee.

The logic is that the dog realizes that if it pees inside that will happen, so it will go outside.
Apparently it really does work wonders.

andreac

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Apparently you do not actually rub its nose in it, just hold it over the pee.

The logic is that the dog realizes that if it pees inside that will happen, so it will go outside.
Apparently it really does work wonders.

No it doesnt!! A dog looking at its own pee or having its nose stuck in it doesnt think "Oh, i better not pee inside":rolleyes:

Seriously, dogs dont think logically, unless you actually catch a dog mid pee/poop and correct it, it doesnt know that its not suppose to do it.

Its attitudes like this that make up this ridiculous ideas about house training.

I really think you havent a clue about dogs and toilet training if you think this method actually works

portgirl123

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Apparently you do not actually rub its nose in it, just hold it over the pee.

The logic is that the dog realizes that if it pees inside that will happen, so it will go outside.
Apparently it really does work wonders.

Absolutely rubbish. All it does is teaches a dog to be come fearful of toileting and you will end up with a problem dog. If, as i have all ready said, you havent got the time for proper training, why bother at all with a dog.

Wolfe Tone

andreac wrote: »

No it doesnt!! A dog looking at its own pee or having its nose stuck in it doesnt think "Oh, i better not pee inside":rolleyes:

Seriously, dogs dont think logically, unless you actually catch a dog mid pee/poop and correct it, it doesnt know that its not suppose to do it.

Its attitudes like this that make up this ridiculous ideas about house training.

I really think you havent a clue about dogs and toilet training if you think this method actually works

As I already said I did not use this method myself. Maybe it is something to consider down the line if newspapers etc dont work.

portgirl123 wrote: »

Absolutely rubbish. All it does is teaches a dog to be come fearful of toileting and you will end up with a problem dog. If, as i have all ready said, you havent got the time for proper training, why bother at all with a dog.

Fearful of toileting inside, yeah.

trickywitch

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Apparently you do not actually rub its nose in it, just hold it over the pee.

The logic is that the dog realizes that if it pees inside that will happen, so it will go outside.
Apparently it really does work wonders.

Yes that's fine to hold their nose over it (not in it) - say no firmly and bring them outside. The puppy eventually makes the connection and responds to the scent and the command as part of initial housetraining. It's not cruel at all.

trickywitch

portgirl123 wrote: »

Absolutely rubbish. All it does is teaches a dog to be come fearful of toileting and you will end up with a problem dog. If, as i have all ready said, you havent got the time for proper training, why bother at all with a dog.

Sorry but your definition of 'proper training' is subjective and why is it when someone is genuinely looking for advice they get asked why have a dog if they deviate what you might prefer? Geez

portgirl123

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Fearful of toileting inside, yeah.

Where did i say fearful of toileting inside? If anything by doing this you will end up with a dog that will end up going to toilet wherever it can when there is nobody around. Inside mostly

If you havent tried this yourself how can you say it works?

andreac

trickywitch wrote: »

Sorry but your definition of 'proper training' is subjective and why is it when someone is genuinely looking for advice they get asked why have a dog if they deviate what you might prefer? Geez

Im sure she means that if you dont have the time to put in the right training then maybe a puppy isnt for you. If you want to train a pup by sticking its nose in it then thats just cruel and no dog should be subjected to that.

There are plenty of proper training methods that dont involve cruelty.

trickywitch

andreac wrote: »

Im sure she means that if you dont have the time to put in the right training then maybe a puppy isnt for you. If you want to train a pup by sticking its nose in it then thats just cruel and no dog should be subjected to that.

There are plenty of proper training methods that dont involve cruelty.

How can you say holding a dogs nose over their toilet is cruel? It's just a way for the puppy to make the connection. Easier for puppy and owner really.

Wolfe Tone

portgirl123 wrote: »

Where did i say fearful of toileting inside? If anything by doing this you will end up with a dog that will end up going to toilet wherever it can when there is nobody around. Inside mostly

If you havent tried this yourself how can you say it works?

Friends and neighbors. It is what my grandfather did with his dogs too.

portgirl123

trickywitch wrote: »

Sorry but your definition of 'proper training' is subjective and why is it when someone is genuinely looking for advice they get asked why have a dog if they deviate what you might prefer? Geez

for a start i have never said this before as i have just joined this board. How can sticking a dogs nose in their pee be right? Go and ask a behavoiurst, well maybe a few and see what their advise on this is. I do think if people dont spent the proper time teaching, and bonding with their pet, they really shouldnt have one. Maybe the sticking there nose does work but to me its a quick fix that will only have bad effects on the dog.
But sure each to there own, if this is what u want to do go ahead. At the end of the day it will be the dog that will suffer and properly the rescue where it will end up

Wolfe Tone

portgirl123 wrote: »

for a start i have never said this before as i have just joined this board. How can sticking a dogs nose in their pee be right? Go and ask a behavoiurst, well maybe a few and see what their advise on this is. I do think if people dont spent the proper time teaching, and bonding with their pet, they really shouldnt have one. Maybe the sticking there nose does work but to me its a quick fix that will only have bad effects on the dog.
But sure each to there own, if this is what u want to do go ahead. At the end of the day it will be the dog that will suffer and properly the rescue where it will end up

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

portgirl123

trickywitch wrote: »

How can you say holding a dogs nose over their toilet is cruel? It's just a way for the puppy to make the connection. Easier for puppy and owner really.

Easier for owner, doubt getting its nose stuck in pee is easier or best for puppy

trickywitch

portgirl123 wrote: »

Easier for owner, doubt getting its nose stuck in pee is easier or best for puppy

Again.. If you hold the puppy's nose OVER their toilet so they can SMELL it - say no and bring them outside immediately. They make the connection quicker. Dogs respond to scents and commands. They also respond to repetition which is where you're coming from I think. My point is only that there is absolutely nothing wrong or cruel with training in either way.

ppink

We have had dogs for a long time and years ago when we knew no better we did the whole scruff and nose in the pee thing.

Now we are hopefully a lot less ignorant and we only use positive reinforcement. We had our pup mostly trained in 1 week and fully trained in 2 weeks. we did have little accidents when she got excited but apart from that she went where we wanted.
We said nothing if she went inside, no scruff, no giving out, no dipping nose in it. When she went outside in "the spot" we made a huge fuss over her.
Now we have a dog who never goes in the house, thinks she a great girl and bounds around the place all excited for going in her patch. It is a far far better scenario than the poor little pups who used ot be terrified from having their noses dumped into it and still not knowing what was going on!

Holding it over it has me stumped I have to say. So puppy 8 weeks old has his nose held over it and thinks to himself what??

Cherry Blossom

OP I wouldn't be encouraging your pup to pee on a towel, it may just teach him that his bed, carpet, soft furnishings, your clothes is a toilet. Please look into crate training there are loads of threads on this forum already on the subject. I'd get the pup onto a decent food before you start though and get rid of the Ceaser its potentially dangerous to your dog.

Search for threads on crate training and dog food, and new puppy advise threads as a starting point. If you do a bit of research first people will find it easier to advise you on finer points than explaining the crate training process and what goes into dog food as these have been discussed to death already. If you have the general gist of what to do, people will be more able to help you on little tweaks if you are having problems down the line.

squeakyduck

My mum got a little king charles for Christmas and I was put in charge of his toilet training (the baby of the family gets all the pissssy jobs no pun intended!! :rolleyes: ) But every half hour he was awake and leaving it longer after several times he got used to holding it and going outside for me!

Now after he did have a few accidents mostly due to over excitement (he can't help himself but get crazy when my mum comes home even if she has only been to the local shops! He'd run around in circles and pee a little!! ) But, now he pees outside like a big (little) dog!

Even now he's like about a year old now (he was born in October) he seems to know that I trained him because he comes over for a nuzzle against my shins after he does his business, wagging his tail looking expectantly at me. He still get the good boy rocky lots of attention and a little treat!

My mum has potty trained all her dogs along the years "with the put his nose in pee" technique, they do learn. It's cruel to hit them but that technique shows them even after a few trys.

andreac

squeakyduck wrote: »

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My mum has potty trained all her dogs along the years "with the put his nose in pee" technique, they do learn. It's cruel to hit them but that technique shows them even after a few trys.

No it doesnt!! Its cruel and unnecessary to rub a dogs face in its own urine:mad:

Devi

Training a puppy myself at the moment. What I do is basically the same as most people here, regular toilet breaks, patience etc and definitely don’t overfeed, the more input the more output remember.

The only thing I would add is if he does have an accident to clean it up right away, then spray some multipurpose cleaner and leave it for 10 mins before cleaning that up. The reason behind this is to get rid of the smell of pee that gets absorbed into the floor that we wouldn’t smell but a dog would. The smell of pee will trigger the pup to pee in the same spot again.

Wouldn’t declare my pup trained yet out of fear of the mockers but were accident free for the past 2 weeks now, she is 13 weeks old.

ppink

squeakyduck wrote: »

My mum has potty trained all her dogs along the years "with the put his nose in pee" technique, they do learn. It's cruel to hit them but that technique shows them even after a few trys.

It does work.... eventually! and in the process it stresses all concerned. It stresses the puppy, what goes through a puppies mind who has no clue whatsoever about why this is being done to them? Toilet training through fear, we know better than that now.
It must stress the person doing the training too, how could anyone be comfortable with stuffing a dogs nose into or over its pee.
it just makes sense to do it the easy way for dog and owner. In my experience having seen it both ways on multiple dogs the rough way takes a lot longer and worries the animal unnecessarily.

Asphyxia

andreac wrote: »

Are you serious?? Id be seriously changing my vet if he recommended that and probably even consider reporting him for advising cruelty as that what it is.

It teaches a dog nothing, how could it? A dog that pees and later on has its nose stuck in it has absol no clue as to why its getting its nose stuck into its own urine so how does it teach anything:mad:
Poor dogs, thats all i can say. ANyone who does this to their dogs are cruel imo as theres absol no need to do this to any animal.

It takes months to teach a dog to go outside and lots of patience and rewarding.

Would you stick a childs nose into its pee if it wets its pants when its a toddler?? I doubt it, so why do it to a dog.:mad:

It took me about a month for me to train my pup he was a quick learner ,a couple of times dipping his nose in it and he got the idea No offence but I don't think you or postgirl123 should be quoting everyone that has a different opinion to yours and giving out to them over the way they train their pet.

I would never stick a child's nose in their pee that's ridiculous but when I was out of order as a kid I did get a little slap which put me in line and never did me any harm. I would never slap my dog I love my pup he gets the best food, treats and I walk him every day and never leave him out in the rain. You do not know me or the other posters so saying that we are cruel is just silly.

Tranceypoo

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Talking to a fella who has owned dogs all his life, he swears that grabbing the pup by the scruff of the neck and sticking its nose into the pee works best.


Sounds harsh imo.

Seriously, people still do this? In this day and age?!!:mad:

andreac

Pocketfizz wrote: »

It took me about a month for me to train my pup he was a quick learner ,a couple of times dipping his nose in it and he got the idea No offence but I don't think you or postgirl123 should be quoting everyone that has a different opinion to yours and giving out to them over the way they train their pet.

I would never stick a child's nose in their pee that's ridiculous but when I was out of order as a kid I did get a little slap which put me in line and never did me any harm. I would never slap my dog I love my pup he gets the best food, treats and I walk him every day and never leave him out in the rain. You do not know me or the other posters so saying that we are cruel is just silly.

Its not about disagreeing with a different opinion if the opinion is humane.

But rubbing a dogs nose in its own urine isnt humane, its downright cruel.

How can anyone think that rubbing a dogs face in its own dirt is acceptable??
Its disgusting, cruel and outdated and theres no place in society now for any animal to be treated like that.

The only methods we have a problem with is the cruel one, nothing else and why shouldnt we?? Someone needs to stick up for the poor dogs.:(

There are plenty of ways to toilet train a dog without doing this so no, we arent disagreeing with everyone else, only the people who recommend cruel and inhumane methods.

Tranceypoo

Even apart from the fact that it's cruel & ignorant (you are applying human logic to a dog, the dog doesn't think 'oh, I better go outside so they don't make me smell my own wee/poop), it's just pointless and unneccesary, if you feed your pup at regular times, same time every day, you take it out 10/20 mins after eating, 10/20 mins after playing, 10/20 mins after waking up, it will pee/poop. If you catch it peeing or pooping inside WHILE YOU ARE THERE then you pick up the pup and carry it outside, mid pee or poop if need be and set it down outside and let it finish, even if you have to wait 10 mins, when it goes, praise and praise. It's not rocket science, I honestly cannot understand why you would feel the need to stick it's nose in the wee or poop, there is no logic in it, especially if it's already done it and you come into the room and see it and then rub its nose in it. Bizarre. This 'reasoning' of 'well my mum/grandad/neighbour/friend/uncle' has had dogs his/her whole life and they've always done it - doesn't make it right. Dog fighting and cock fighting used to be acceptable pasttimes in centuries gone by, doesn't make it right. FFS people it's 2010, there is no need for such old fashioned, ignorant ways of housetraining your pup/dog. I'm actually shocked that people are advocating this.

Asphyxia

andreac wrote: »

Its not about disagreeing with a different opinion if the opinion is humane.

But rubbing a dogs nose in its own urine isnt humane, its downright cruel.

How can anyone think that rubbing a dogs face in its own dirt is acceptable??
Its disgusting, cruel and outdated and theres no place in society now for any animal to be treated like that.

The only methods we have a problem with is the cruel one, nothing else and why shouldnt we?? Someone needs to stick up for the poor dogs.:(

There are plenty of ways to toilet train a dog without doing this so no, we arent disagreeing with everyone else, only the people who recommend cruel and inhumane methods.

Well my pup is trained now so nothing I can do about it.

I understand where you're coming from but in my opinion it was the easiest way for me and the vet said it was fine (and who would know better than a vet right? :rolleyes: ) but quoting everyone with the same remark that their cruel is unnecessary.

andreac

Pocketfizz wrote: »

Well my pup is trained now so nothing I can do about it.

I understand where you're coming from but in my opinion it was the easiest way for me and the vet said it was fine (and who would know better than a vet right? :rolleyes: ) but quoting everyone with the same remark that their cruel is unnecessary.

Easiest for you:rolleyes:, says it all really, but not the poor puppy who had his nose dipped in its own wee!!

Btw vets arent always right, ive heard vets giving awful advice before so i would never take what a vet says as gospel esp one that advises to rub a dogs nose in its pee.:mad:

Oh its not unnecessary to say its cruel, because if people thought it was actually ok to do this to their dog then there would be a lot of little puppies having this done to them, so no, im not going to stand back and let people think its ok to do this.

DeadlyByDesign

Tranceypoo wrote: »

Even apart from the fact that it's cruel & ignorant (you are applying human logic to a dog, the dog doesn't think 'oh, I better go outside so they don't make me smell my own wee/poop), it's just pointless and unneccesary, if you feed your pup at regular times, same time every day, you take it out 10/20 mins after eating, 10/20 mins after playing, 10/20 mins after waking up, it will pee/poop. If you catch it peeing or pooping inside WHILE YOU ARE THERE then you pick up the pup and carry it outside, mid pee or poop if need be and set it down outside and let it finish, even if you have to wait 10 mins, when it goes, praise and praise. It's not rocket science, I honestly cannot understand why you would feel the need to stick it's nose in the wee or poop, there is no logic in it, especially if it's already done it and you come into the room and see it and then rub its nose in it. Bizarre. This 'reasoning' of 'well my mum/grandad/neighbour/friend/uncle' has had dogs his/her whole life and they've always done it - doesn't make it right. Dog fighting and cock fighting used to be acceptable pasttimes in centuries gone by, doesn't make it right. FFS people it's 2010, there is no need for such old fashioned, ignorant ways of housetraining your pup/dog. I'm actually shocked that people are advocating this.

QFT to all the above. I remember when I was a kid we used to have collie. My da used to do the whole stick his nose iin pee thing. I swear I can still hear the poor thing crying to this day. Please think about it-you are shoving a living breathing, feeling animals nose into excrement. You are hurting an animal and being cruel. The dog feels pain, is upset, scared and confused and humiliated. Just because it is a dog does not mean it does not have these emotions.

To anyone that follows my threads here they know that I have been banging on about getting a great dane. I know when I get one that there will be accidents, but under no circumstances will I ever hurt the animal for something it does not understand.

Tranceypoo

Pocketfizz wrote: »

I understand where you're coming from but in my opinion it was the easiest way for me and the vet said it was fine (and who would know better than a vet right? :rolleyes: ) .

Of course, vets are never wrong....:rolleyes:
I'd be changing my vet fairly lively if she told me this was ok

Asphyxia

trickywitch wrote: »

Again.. If you hold the puppy's nose OVER their toilet so they can SMELL it - say no and bring them outside immediately. They make the connection quicker. Dogs respond to scents and commands. They also respond to repetition which is where you're coming from I think. My point is only that there is absolutely nothing wrong or cruel with training in either way.

This is interesting I would never have thought about it before, I do agree that puppies/dogs make a connection between things. Have you tried this yourself? If so how did it go?

bohochic

andreac wrote: »

Its not about disagreeing with a different opinion if the opinion is humane.

But rubbing a dogs nose in its own urine isnt humane, its downright cruel.

How can anyone think that rubbing a dogs face in its own dirt is acceptable??
Its disgusting, cruel and outdated and theres no place in society now for any animal to be treated like that.

The only methods we have a problem with is the cruel one, nothing else and why shouldnt we?? Someone needs to stick up for the poor dogs.:(

There are plenty of ways to toilet train a dog without doing this so no, we arent disagreeing with everyone else, only the people who recommend cruel and inhumane methods.

It stresses a dog out yes but a baby getting a vaccination also causes stress but you would still give the baby the vaccination because it's benefits the child in the long run. I have trained my two dogs differently, one by dipping his nose in it and the other by the wee pads. The dog responded to the dipping his nose in it better.

ppink

Pocketfizz wrote: »

I understand where you're coming from but in my opinion it was the easiest way for me and the vet said it was fine (and who would know better than a vet right? :rolleyes: ) but quoting everyone with the same remark that their cruel is unnecessary.

well many moons ago people used to think that priests,doctors,lawyers,politicians were all "in the know" and whose opinions were to be revered, now we know that that is not necessarily the case, they are human like the rest of us!

DeadlyByDesign

bohochic wrote: »

I. The dog responded to the dipping his nose in it better.

OF COURSE HE DID!!!HE IS AFRAID OF YOU!

Tranceypoo

DeadlyByDesign wrote: »

OF COURSE HE DID!!!HE IS AFRAID OF YOU!

Exactly, training by fear, should have gone out with the ark. Sadly it appears it didn't.