Train attacked while travelling through Broombridge

BostonB

Broombridge station might be rough, but a sweeping generalization of Cabra and now Glasnevin/Botanic Gardens is just inane.

Judgement Day

MrStuffins wrote: »

So you have no idea what you are talking about Sir!

Cabra is certainly not a "No Go Area" and it's ridiculously arrogant of you to say so when you are in no position to give such an opinion.

I wish you would read my posts - I never said that Cabra was a no-go area - what I did state, and stand over, is that the railway line (and Royal Canal) from Connolly to out beyond Broombridge is a no-go area. Did you ever take the train on this line? Incidentally, the old Cabra station was certainly a no-go area. Don't shoot the messenger just because you don't like the message.

BostonB

Most canals/railways tend to be a bit iffy in places in most cities.

Theres always a few commuters getting on/off at broombridge at peak times.

Maybe they should rename it boombridge

Judgement Day

BostonB - agreed but I have travelled on inner city canals in the UK and never felt threatened. Can you imagine trying to bring a canal boat through Broombridge?



That said, the Royal Canal should be developed as part of the regeneration of the area and some of the disaffected youth might even find employment on the waterway but no, this is Ireland, and that would take a quantum leap of imagination.

steamengine

There are enough posts bearing witness to the 'rocking' of trains in the vicinity of Liffey Junction. Back mid 80's when I was a semi-regular passenger on this line it occurred there on an ongoing basis.

One morning in the vicinity of North Strand, three young lads in school uniform c/w schoolbags lobbed a fist sized rock through a carriage window from the street below. The odd thing was that they hardly even glanced up and just continued on their way as if the whole thing was normal. No one was injured luckily, and the guard on the train just shouted down at them and passed a remark to me about it being a regular occurrence.

This may seem old fashioned but my generation could be described as 'the clip around the ear' generation. From National through Secondary schools, at home also, if you stepped out of line you got a 'slap' or the belt or whatever. The idea being to equip you for dealing with the world in a reasonable manner and not let the Guards be the first to teach you all about discipline. Unfortunately the physical 'nip it in the bud' approach has all but disappeared, all to these kids' detriment IMO.

BostonB

The focus is really the station not the canal.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2010/07/25/revealed-shocking-levels-of-crime-at-wales-railway-stations-91466-26924917/

maninasia

MrStuffins wrote: »

So you have no idea what you are talking about Sir!

Cabra is certainly not a "No Go Area" and it's ridiculously arrogant of you to say so when you are in no position to give such an opinion.

Maybe not but Broombridge 'station' area is as dodgy as they come, especially when it gets dark.

maninasia

BostonB wrote: »

Most canals/railways tend to be a bit iffy in places in most cities.

Theres always a few commuters getting on/off at broombridge at peak times.

Maybe they should rename it boombridge

I've never seen it as bad as the Royal Canal in North Dublin...most people never venture down many sections of it, with good reason I might add, there have been murders and kidnappings and many muggings (you might think I am exaggerating but I am not). Sure it's okay most of the time but only in the daylight and also you'd want a few people around. Then again it might be par for the course in many parts these days.

BostonB

maninasia wrote: »

...Then again it might be par for the course in many parts these days.

Its been going on since the 80's and probably before that too.

It was worst in the 80's. I'm not seeing any difference between then and now tbh. Except some of the areas with new development have quietened down, so the problem areas have shrunk. Grand canal has its hotspots too.

MrStuffins

maninasia wrote: »

Maybe not but Broombridge 'station' area is as dodgy as they come, especially when it gets dark.

Broombridge "station" happens to be under a bridge right beside the canal.

You put a station like that anywhere else and it would be the same as Broombridge. The fact it is in Cabra is irrelivant as the station does not reflect the surrpounding area!

AlekSmart

I've never seen it as bad as the Royal Canal in North Dublin...most people never venture down many sections of it, with good reason I might add, there have been murders and kidnappings and many muggings (you might think I am exaggerating but I am not).

Indeed Maninasia does not exaggerate one bit.....It`s also perhaps of note that the Canal in these areas has recieved significant improvement and landscaping work...again it appears a somewhat national trait to wait until stuff is improved and then trash it....

Rawr

MrStuffins wrote: »

Broombridge "station" happens to be under a bridge right beside the canal.

You put a station like that anywhere else and it would be the same as Broombridge. The fact it is in Cabra is irrelivant as the station does not reflect the surrpounding area!

Leixlip Louisa Bridge and Maynooth are identical in that respect, but yet remain relativity intact. That said, those two stations are heavily used and are staffed (unlike Broombridge).

I had used Broombridge to get to and from work a few years ago, and there was certainly a morning crowd exiting the train with me. (I'd notice about 10 people with me in a given morning). The return in the evening was far quieter though. I'd either have the platform to myself or sometimes 1 or 2 others.

I'd usually approach or leave the station via the Ballyboggan Rd. to get to a connecting bus. I often found the area to be very quiet in the mornings and afternoons, and even the early evenings in some cases. The most I usually encountered walking about would be the occasional moped-riding teenager, who would seem more interested in getting speed out of their hair-dryer engine than hassling me.

That said however, Broombridge St. is a different story. Late afternoon, early evening on...the station platforms become a moped stunt track. Often I've seen these kids run their pathetic little motors from Liffey Junction, up the East-bound platform and then up the pedestrian gangway to the canal bridge. They'd then run back down the same route and repeat. This also seemed to happen on the canal tow-path beyond, but with dirt-bikes instead (dirt-bikes which would occasionally do a lap of the station as well.) Apart from that, I've noticed scumbags generally just wandering around where the road to Liffey Junction used to be, or walking on the track towards Ashtown (they usually join the track at Broombridge it seems).

I've never used the station at night, and had made a point of staying on my bus until Connolly whenever finishing a late shift. I'd rather wait 5 mins in that station than 20 at Broombridge during the hours of darkness.

BostonB

I doubt that those other stations are in the same situation.

Station beside Canal.

AND

Located between two quiet industrial estates, one pretty much empty, and lots of waste ground.

AND

Located between two large housing areas, Finglas/Cabra both of which are rough in parts. Though obviously theres good areas within them too.

Rawr

BostonB wrote: »

I doubt that those other stations are in the same situation.

Station beside Canal.

AND

Located between two quiet industrial estates, one pretty much empty, and lots of waste ground.

AND

Located between two large housing areas, Finglas/Cabra both of which are rough in parts. Though obviously theres good areas within them too.

I agree with you Boston. I was merely addressing the tautology, that having a canal-side station with bridge results in Broombridge; which I believe it does not.

I would guess that the large empty tracts of what used to be Liffey Junction, is what adds a lot to old Broombridge's woes.

senordingdong

Rawr wrote: »

I would guess that the large empty tracts of what used to be Liffey Junction, is what adds a lot to old Broombridge's woes.

How do you mean?

Rawr

senordingdong wrote: »

How do you mean?

What I tried to suggest there, is that the empty wastelands to the south and and east of Broombridge Station (which had contained the tracks and cattle loading bays of the old Liffey Junction) seem to provide an ideal playground for scambags. Although this is not unique to Broombridge, I believe that this empty unsupervised land, is a major factor that has led to it being in it's current state.

I could be wrong, but that is how it appears to me.

foggy_lad

the whole problem with broombridge and other places where thugs,scumbags and gangster apprentices have taken over is their sense of entitlement to do whatever they want in their own or indeed in your station towns streets etc and this sense of entitlement is exacerbated by them never being properly challenged by any authority. most either have no father available or the one thay have is more of a scumbag than them.

nevermind catering for these vandals by letting them have mopeds trials bikes horses etc from the time they can curse but take everything from them until they learn that living under the monetary care and associated protections of this society entails folowing certain rules!

anyone should be able to leave a car parfked outside broombridge or anywhere for a week and come back to find it untouched.

dowlingm

All the more reason to get Line D going - with a LUAS depot the RPA will need to have a strong security presence at Liffey Junction to protect their vehicles. This probably won't stop the messing at Broombridge completely but it will probably inhibit it.