Moss returns to Vikes reports NFL.com

Pherekydes

Looks like it's a done deal. I'm guessing he starts against the Jets.

Brett Favre is fapping at the thought...

Moss back to square 1.

eagle eye

I'm just stunned. It makes no sense, a 3rd round pick a year earlier like wtf?

And we are strengthening a team that we have to meet later in the season too. It just sounds ridiculous to me unless there is something else about to happen like VJax although I doubt that very much.

frostie500

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm just stunned. It makes no sense, a 3rd round pick a year earlier like wtf?

And we are strengthening a team that we have to meet later in the season too. It just sounds ridiculous to me unless there is something else about to happen like VJax although I doubt that very much.

I know the Pats have shown no interest in resigning him after this season but I didnt think they'd trade him away. Shocking stuff!

davyjose

Pherekydes wrote: »

Brett Favre is fapping at the thought...

Favre and Moss... I'm fapping at the thought.

I get to like Moss now ... woohoo!!!
Also, this handicaps the Pats severely. Good day :pac:

Hazys

Just to clarify the comp pick, as Moss' has 10 seasons under his belt the Pats can only get a max of a 5th round pick as comp.

ReacherCreature

Well that's fcuking depressing news.

Hazys

Even tho he has declined since the 2007 season, a 3rd round pick is highway robbery, there has to more to this?

Is there an injury thats waiting to happen? his back maybe?
Is there something behind the scenes we dont know about?




Also apparently theres is another trade pick headed NE's way but its not much.

Hazys

My biggest question is: Why now?

If he was so unhappy about not being offered a contract, he knew he wasnt getting one in the offseason why didnt he holdout of training camp for a contract or to be traded? or why didnt the Pats force the issue if they were the ones that instigated the trade? they would have got a 1st or 2nd in the summer. Was he told he get a conatract after Brady's was sorted?

I understand that the bye week was the reason to it now in season, but what if the Vikings had got V Jackson a week or so back, who would he have been traded to? Something has to have forced this to happen. Surely the Pats dont see a 3rd as value.

Hazys

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/sources-moss-was-becoming-a-distraction-in-new-england/

Per one source, Moss "was pissing [coach] Bill [Belichick] off at every turn."

As another source explained it, some players were becoming more and more frustrated with Moss, who reportedly asked for a trade after his Week One postgame tirade regarding his perceived lack of appreciation, based on the actual lack of a contract extension.

My god, i gave Moss the benefit of the doubt a lot when he was a Pats player...now i just think he is a w*nker

D3PO

better cancel that drop I have pending of Edleman !!

Vikings

De-lighted.

Monday night cant come soon enough.

Hulk Hands

Yes yes yes yes ****ing YES!!

Suddenly everything doesn't look so bad for us

eagle eye

Hazys wrote: »

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/sources-moss-was-becoming-a-distraction-in-new-england/





My god, i gave Moss the benefit of the doubt a lot when he was a Pats player...now i just think he is a w*nker

So now you are going to take the word of a 'source' and just believe it?

What about what Belichick said?

"Over the course of the past several months, I have spoken with Randy and his representative about Randy's place on our team and his future in football. Consistent with my dealings with Randy from the day we acquired him through our conversation this morning, it has been honest, thoughtful and with great mutual respect.

http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=pressreleasesdetail&pid=45048&pcid=47

walt colman

Moss is a loss to the Pats, but he was demanding a contract extension that he was never going to get from the Patriots so if his concentration on playing football for the Pats was not at 100% then a good coach has to make the hard choice and get what you can for him. The three ingredients for success in New England right now are Brady, Belichick and Kraft. Everybody else, as we have seen over recent years, is expendable.

P.S. I think he will do pretty well with the Vikings as long as the Favre/Moss egos don't clash too much.

Hazys

eagle eye wrote: »

So now you are going to take the word of a 'source' and just believe it?

What about what Belichick said?


http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=pressreleasesdetail&pid=45048&pcid=47

Seriously?

Bill has no issues with Moss, so he just randomly gets rid of one of our best players for a 3rd round pick in week 5?

I guess Brady will be gone next week for a 5th round pick next week if thats the case.

eagle eye

Mike Reiss just said that there was a heated exchange between Moss and O'Brien at halftime when were losing 7-6 to the Dolphins, Moss was not targeted at any stage in the second half of that game.

Would you blame the guy for being pissed at halftime in a game they were losing? I wouldn't, all it shows is that he is extremely competitive.

Receiver Randy Moss and New England Patriots quarterbacks coach Bill O'Brien were involved in a heated exchange at halftime of the team's victory Monday over the Miami Dolphins, according to player sources.

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5655198

eagle eye

Hazys wrote: »

Seriously?

Bill has no issues with Moss, so he just randomly gets rid of one of our best players for a 3rd round pick in week 5?

I guess Brady will be gone next week for a 5th round pick next week if thats the case.

Whats this? I'm pointing out that you are willing to take the word of an unnamed source on PFT which doesn't have the greatest reputation when it comes to Patriots news over the word of Bill Belichick.

Oh and by the way its now been reported by Peter King that we are giving them a 7th round pick as part of this deal.

Hazys

eagle eye wrote: »

Whats this? I'm pointing out that you are willing to take the word of an unnamed source on PFT which doesn't have the greatest reputation when it comes to Patriots news over the word of Bill Belichick.

What the unnamed source said seems to make sense in such an erratic trade.

What do you expect Bill to say about Moss on the podium? Call him an asshole and flip the bird at the camera?

I have no doubt Bill has a fondness for Moss but enough was enough for him. Moss behind the scenes was probably becoming a distraction, case in point the O'Brien argument because he wasnt getting the ball, that is BS from Moss and not good for the team.

Hazys

eagle eye wrote: »

Mike Reiss just said that there was a heated exchange between Moss and O'Brien at halftime when were losing 7-6 to the Dolphins, Moss was not targeted at any stage in the second half of that game.

Would you blame the guy for being pissed at halftime in a game they were losing? I wouldn't, all it shows is that he is extremely competitive.


http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5655198

You do know you quoted an article that has unnamed sources?

walt colman

eagle eye wrote: »

Mike Reiss just said that there was a heated exchange between Moss and O'Brien at halftime when were losing 7-6 to the Dolphins, Moss was not targeted at any stage in the second half of that game.

Would you blame the guy for being pissed at halftime in a game they were losing? I wouldn't, all it shows is that he is extremely competitive.


http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5655198

So I guess the other 52 players on the team, who were not throwing hissy fits because their team was down by a single point, are not competitive? The 52 useless gits were probably just listing to their coaches and focusing on how they could play their role better in pulling out the win. Hmmmm....I wonder how that worked out. :-)

That said, if the article is true, it was clearly the final straw.

eagle eye

Hazys wrote: »

You do know you quoted an article that has unnamed sources?

Player sources and Bruschi said the same thing and he and Reiss work together a lot. Reiss doesn't do bull reports, he is the best reporter on Patriot's matters.

ArmCandyBaby

I read an interesting point elsewhere that Moss just doesn't have the same value with the Patriots any more because every other team in the AFC East has such excellent cornerbacks ie. Revis, Davis etc. That explains the change to using more TE's to create mismatches. He probably will again be productive with the Vikes and the Pat fans will be pissed about the trade again at the end of the year but I definitely think it's the right move, the AFC East just isn't the place for him and trade him now rather than at the end of the year when there'll be more talk of him being washed up.

eagle eye

walt colman wrote: »

So I guess the other 52 players on the team, who were not throwing hissy fits because their team was down by a single point, are not competitive? The 52 useless gits were probably just listing to their coaches and focusing on how they could play their role better in pulling out the win. Hmmmm....I wonder how that worked out. :-)

That said, if the article is true, it was clearly the final straw.

How many of them others were tied for most receiving touchdowns last year, fifth in receiving yards and all that despite the fact that he played hurt for a good portion of last season?

Hazys

eagle eye wrote: »

Player sources and Bruschi said the same thing and he and Reiss work together a lot. Reiss doesn't do bull reports, he is the best reporter on Patriot's matters.

You do know the article i posted with unnamed sources and the article you posted with unnamed sources are practically saying the same thing?

eagle eye

ArmCandyBaby wrote: »

I read an interesting point elsewhere that Moss just doesn't have the same value with the Patriots any more because every other team in the AFC East has such excellent cornerbacks ie. Revis, Davis etc. That explains the change to using more TE's to create mismatches. He probably will again be productive with the Vikes and the Pat fans will be pissed about the trade again at the end of the year but I definitely think it's the right move, the AFC East just isn't the place for him and trade him now rather than at the end of the year when there'll be more talk of him being washed up.

That doesn't wash at all though. All this means is that their best corner now comes in and takes Welker because they don't have to worry as much about the deep threat.

Right now the Patriots WR corp is as follows in order of who gets the starts.

Welker
Tate - Second year who hasn't shown much in the receiving game to date, excellent kick returner.
Edelman - Second year. Similar to Welker but has been injury prone since he got here.
Price - Rookie. There was a lot of talk about him but he looked really poor in preseason and hasn't been on the field yet in the regular season.
Slater - Special teams ace, previously listed as a safety.

eagle eye

Hazys wrote: »

You do know the article i posted with unnamed sources and the article you posted with unnamed sources are practically saying the same thing?

The article you posted said he looked for a trade after week 1 which is not in the article I posted. It also said that other players were becoming frustrated which again is not in the article I posted. It doesn't mention anything about Bill O'Brien.

Hulk Hands

walt colman wrote: »

P.S. I think he will do pretty well with the Vikings as long as the Favre/Moss egos don't clash too much.

Moss is supposedly known as Favre's favourite reciever in the league. This must feel like a 41st b'day present for ole brett

Hazys

eagle eye wrote: »

The article you posted said he looked for a trade after week 1 which is not in the article I posted. It also said that other players were becoming frustrated which again is not in the article I posted. It doesn't mention anything about Bill O'Brien.

I think the theme is called "Moss is a distraction".

Hazys

Apparently as part of the deal Vikings are getting NEs 7th round pick in 2012 :eek::mad::(:D

davyjose

walt colman wrote: »

Everybody else, as we have seen over recent years, is expendable.

Explain please?

cooker3

Man, am I not pleased with that.
I was already fearing going up against him once facing the Patriots but now we have to face him twice.
This maybe the spark the Vikings need to get going.

ReacherCreature

The consolation of this trade means that we'll have:

The Pats now have 2 picks in each of the first 4 rounds of next years draft.

That's good I guess, if used right, could be huge.

Quote courtesy of Mr. Guappa over in the banter thread.

kryogen

I dont understand the timing of this, we are looking really light now

bad day

Hulk Hands

Call me biased, but how good does the Vikings offence suddenly look?

In a few weeks, the Vikings will have Moss and Rice* at WR, both very dangerous threats. Harvin can now move back to the slot where he was a pro bowler last season instead of the pressure of being the #1 reciever. Then there's excellent Shiancoe is at TE. There can now only be 6/7 on Defence in the box (rather than 8 before) as they will have to cover Rice/Moss deep, often double coverage. This will leave Adrian Peterson with more space than he has ever gotten. He is going to be the real benefactor of this move. He also has a very competent OL in front. And of course there's Favre.... Suddenly, from a shambles, the Vikings offence is looking like the best in the league


*Provided Sidney gets back trouble free

ReacherCreature

Favre is key for that offense - Moss is the addition. And Favre has been shít this season imo.

Syferus

The Vikings - on paper at least - have made one of the trades of the decade. They've got a hall of fame reciever who should still have a couple of years in the tank for a third round pick.

If they keep to their word, Moss won't be getting an immediate contract extension so that should means he'll be as motivated as he's ever been, even removed from the fact the Vikings are in a win-now mode which given Moss' increasing age is just what he'd want personally.

Even if it isn't a roaring sucess Moss will have at the very least the same trade value next year as they got him for.

raven136

Jesus i know the Pats hate the Jets but this is taking the biscuit

mikemac

What have the Jets go to do with this?

Dohnny Jepp

Moss will be playing them again

Tristram

If I was a Pats fan I wouldn't be overly concerned.

davyjose

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Call me biased, but how good does the Vikings offence suddenly look?

In a few weeks, the Vikings will have Moss and Rice* at WR, both very dangerous threats. Harvin can now move back to the slot where he was a pro bowler last season instead of the pressure of being the #1 reciever. Then there's excellent Shiancoe is at TE. There can now only be 6/7 on Defence in the box (rather than 8 before) as they will have to cover Rice/Moss deep, often double coverage. This will leave Adrian Peterson with more space than he has ever gotten. He is going to be the real benefactor of this move. He also has a very competent OL in front. And of course there's Favre.... Suddenly, from a shambles, the Vikings offence is looking like the best in the league


*Provided Sidney gets back trouble free

Rice is still on crutches, and they've four BIG games coming up. If they come out 3-4 then IMO, they can build up huge momentum and may well have the best O in the league. if they come out 2-5 (quite possible), they will have a struggle even making the playoffs.

Pherekydes

Should I start Moss this w/e in my fantasy league? I guess so.

Go Brett...

Hulk Hands

davyjose wrote: »

Rice is still on crutches, and they've four BIG games coming up. If they come out 3-4 then IMO, they can build up huge momentum and may well have the best O in the league. if they come out 2-5 (quite possible), they will have a struggle even making the playoffs.

This is where i'm differing to a lot of people. If they come out 2-5 out of the next 4 games (probably the most likely outcome at this stage), then the Vikings have a run of extremely winnable games until the end of the season. The only one that looks dangerous is the Packers at home, but even accounting for a loss in that, it still leaves a 10-6 record which should be enough to make the playoffs. Hopefully by the time they get there, everybody should be injury free and on the same page

Hazys

http://www.csnne.com/10/06/10/Brown-Moss-ignored-Belichick-others-on-f/v1_landing_patriots.html?blockID=325983&feedID=3946

Moss is a douchbag, plain and simple...as a Pats fan i'm happy he is gone now.



I went through all the stages of grief during this trade:

1. Denial: When i first read about the trade on PFT, i thought it was BS report
   and the most random rumour.
2. Anger: I cursed the Pats and Bill, how are they so stupid (Please forgive me Pats and Bill, it was in a moment of anger, you know i love ye guys)
3. Bargaining: 3rd round pick is a smokescreen we are at least getting a 2nd & 3rd, more than likely a 1st
4. Depression: The season is ruined, i dont care anymore...when does the Heinken Cup, NBA or NHL start?
5. Acceptence: Bill and Pats did what they had to, cut out the cancer out of the locker room, no one player is bigger than the team

(Although I could still be in the Anger phase...)

Max Power1

My first reaction to this was WTF. That still hasnt subsided, the pats have effectively called time on their season. And for what? A measly R3 pick in 2011? Nothing - thats what the pick is worth. May well have let him go for free. Welcome to double coverage on welker, no running game, and missing the playoffs NE! What a ridiculous trade.

Stev_o

God it still seems a stupid move in terms of the start of the season hell the Pats now have zero proven deep threats. Even when Moss isnt being thrown the ball he's attracting double coverage which leads to openings for Hernadez and Woodheads dual threat. Without him defences will have a extra man to target the situation in front of them. Putting a lot of pressure on Tate to become the go to guy for deep passes and honestly we'v yet to see any indication that he ll get much success there.

eagle eye

Hazys wrote: »

http://www.csnne.com/10/06/10/Brown-Moss-ignored-Belichick-others-on-f/v1_landing_patriots.html?blockID=325983&feedID=3946

Moss is a douchbag, plain and simple...as a Pats fan i'm happy he is gone now.

:rolleyes:

Hazys

eagle eye wrote: »

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes::rolleyes::P:confused::(:P:pac::cool::rolleyes:;):o:):D:rolleyes:

spiralism

eagle eye wrote: »

That doesn't wash at all though. All this means is that their best corner now comes in and takes Welker because they don't have to worry as much about the deep threat.

Right now the Patriots WR corp is as follows in order of who gets the starts.

Welker
Tate - Second year who hasn't shown much in the receiving game to date, excellent kick returner.
Edelman - Second year. Similar to Welker but has been injury prone since he got here.
Price - Rookie. There was a lot of talk about him but he looked really poor in preseason and hasn't been on the field yet in the regular season.
Slater - Special teams ace, previously listed as a safety.

Great point, was going to make that myself. With moss there, regardless of how he was performing, the likes of aso, revis and bailey were having to respect him and cover him at all times when up against him, leaving welker on the no.2 corner, hence huge numbers from welker... dont really see where the slack will be picked up here once welker is getting shut down by the top CBs of the league... the "pick your poison" element of the pats passing game was what made them so potent and now it seems to have gone with moss

davyjose

Hazys wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes::P:confused::(:P:pac::cool::rolleyes:;):o:):D:rolleyes:

In fairness, it was a reactionary post. If I'd have called Moss a douchebag a few weeks ago, I'd have been called a troll.

The Pats took a gamble on a hot-headed player, the gamble more than paid off, they wouldn't offer him a contract, so he dug his heels in. Where's the surprise? The biggest surprise for me is how willingly the Pats cut the chord tbh.

ArmCandyBaby

Stev_o wrote: »

God it still seems a stupid move in terms of the start of the season hell the Pats now have zero proven deep threats. Even when Moss isnt being thrown the ball he's attracting double coverage which leads to openings for Hernadez and Woodheads dual threat. Without him defences will have a extra man to target the situation in front of them. Putting a lot of pressure on Tate to become the go to guy for deep passes and honestly we'v yet to see any indication that he ll get much success there.

There have been a few post in this thread along these lines and I don't understand them at all. Do you really think that BB didn't consider these factors when he was considering the trade. Can you honestly say that you have a better understanding of the cost/benefit of the whole senario and have given it more thought than BB and his mulit-million dollar team of coaches to warrant calling this trade stupid.

It should just be taken for granted that this was the right move given the current circumstances, and see why BB would rather trade him now rather than later. In my mind these include.

• It's not 2007 any more. RM is older and the AFC East has drafted specifically to remove Moss as a deep threat.
• With the new collective bargining coming next year, there is no guarantee of a compensatory pick.
• If Moss continues to play like he is this season, he'll have no value at the end of the season anyway.
• Deep threats attracting double coverage could be over valued & TE's are the way to go. (Look at the Chargers offense this year for proof of that. VJ was arguably the best deep threat in the league last year and without him Rivers hasn't even stuttered. Looks like AJ Smith knew what he was doing after all).
• Patriots are clearly rebuilding and in ~3 years when the rest of the team is coming into its prime, Moss will be on the way out.
• You can't expect more than 2/3 good years from Moss, and next year could be a mess so there's no chance of getting more than a 3rd.
• Don't forget there is a reason why he went for a 4th round pick before and the majority of teams didn't want him. He could be an insufferable ass when he doesn't like his situation.

Basically anyone who is trying to weight up the pros and cons of this trade and is coming out with a different anwser than BB is wrong! He knows more than you do and he's not one to be run by his emotions. I can understand longing the glory days of '07 but that's not going to happen again.