Global Village on Newstalk

Paleblood

The difference between Dil's pontificating and the likes of Yates and Hook is that the latter two have a 'take it or leave it attitude' that practically goaded the listener to take the second option. It's part of their package, their routine.

Yates, in particular, has enough self-awareness to realise where he comes from and how he is viewed in the eyes of at least some of the Newstalk listenership, indeed the Irish public in general. Hook, meanwhile, played up on his age by being a cantankerous old fart. He constantly contradicted himself and tilted form left to right depending on who he was speaking to.

The ultimate effect of all of that was that you took everything that both men said with a pinch of salt. That's not to suggest Yates is as disingenuous as Hook often was, but both of them have a 'persona' that relies on their prickliness, whether manufactured or not.

Dil, on the other hand, believed every word she said and was greatly offended when other people didn't believe it as well. Her's wasn't a 'take it or leave it' show. It was a 'take it or else you're a conservative bigot' type show. I've met people like her. There is no 'persona', no mask or radio personality that hides the true Dil. She is an ideologue and behind her liberalism lies the type of censorial, overbearing, dogmatic approach to her fundamental philosophies that was once exclusive to the political right.

For what it's worth, I'm a card carrying lefty and if I had to save one of those three from a burning building it would be Dil, but she is part of this 21st century liberalism that is not open for debate, that will not truck any alternative.

I'm not happy to see her go because it's important to have people in public life that you don't agree with, which is ironic because that's exactly the type of society that Dil Wickremasinghe doesn't want.

DeadHand

Paleblood wrote: »

I'm not happy to see her go because it's important to have people in public life that you don't agree with, which is ironic because that's exactly the type of society that Dil Wickremasinghe doesn't want.

I'd agree with your post up to the point you say Dil was important in public life.

She wasn't.

Dil simply preached the prevailing dogma. She took no risks or controversial view that didn't chime with the strictly enforced consensus. There are truckloads of conformist broadcasters doing the same thing, the difference being most have other skills to offer beyond pushing the safest agendas.

In contrast, George Hook is important to public discourse not because he is a great broadcaster (he's not) or because I agree with him anymore than half the time (I don't). He became important, not due to his own abilities, but because of the context he operates in- one almost entirely dominated by "liberal" sentiment.

He's important for his rarity: right or wrong he will take positions on subjects that others will not due to the aggressive ascendency of ideological bullies like Dil. He will start conversations on vital issues others lack the spine to touch on.

His view on many an issue was the one of the common person but one that the common person was increasingly told was not acceptable to have or express. The silenced majority.

I hope to see him back soon.

Irish society is becoming worryingly censorious- it needs more dissenting figures like Hook and fewer enforcers of dogma like Dil.

the_pen_turner

DeadHand wrote: »

I'd agree with your post up to the point you say Dil was important in public life.

She wasn't.

Dil simply preached the prevailing dogma. She took no risks or controversial view that didn't chime with the strictly enforced consensus. There are truckloads of conformist broadcasters doing the same thing, the difference being most have other skills to offer beyond pushing the safest agendas.

In contrast, George Hook is important to public discourse not because he is a great broadcaster (he's not) or because I agree with him anymore than half the time (I don't). He became important, not due to his own abilities, but because of the context he operates in- one almost entirely dominated by "liberal" sentiment.

He's important for his rarity: right or wrong he will take positions on subjects that others will not due to the aggressive ascendency of ideological bullies like Dil. He will start conversations on vital issues others lack the spine to touch on.

His view on many an issue was the one of the common person but one that the common person was increasingly told was not acceptable to have or express. The silenced majority.

I hope to see him back soon.

Irish society is becoming worryingly censorious- it needs more dissenting figures like Hook and fewer enforcers of dogma like Dil.

i agree.
I often listened to hook. you mightn't agree with him but you would be dam glad he was there
he voiced opinions most wont
he no crap from either side.

Vorenus400

DeadHand wrote: »

I'd agree with your post up to the point you say Dil was important in public life.

She wasn't.

Dil simply preached the prevailing dogma. She took no risks or controversial view that didn't chime with the strictly enforced consensus. There are truckloads of conformist broadcasters doing the same thing, the difference being most have other skills to offer beyond pushing the safest agendas.

In contrast, George Hook is important to public discourse not because he is a great broadcaster (he's not) or because I agree with him anymore than half the time (I don't). He became important, not due to his own abilities, but because of the context he operates in- one almost entirely dominated by "liberal" sentiment.

He's important for his rarity: right or wrong he will take positions on subjects that others will not due to the aggressive ascendency of ideological bullies like Dil. He will start conversations on vital issues others lack the spine to touch on.

His view on many an issue was the one of the common person but one that the common person was increasingly told was not acceptable to have or express. The silenced majority.

I hope to see him back soon.

Irish society is becoming worryingly censorious- it needs more dissenting figures like Hook and fewer enforcers of dogma like Dil.

Did you ever listen to Dills show? She didnt preach the prevailing dogma. She was a loon at times. listen to her home birth stuff. She was with George on the questioning vaccines with no evidence as well. The worrying thing is that she was serious about everthing she said.

Hook was playing a character for the last few years. the only opinions he reflected were the ones of american shock jocks.
He is an entertainer not someone to take seriously.

I always thought Dills sow was on to fulfill some broadcasting criteria

Paleblood

DeadHand wrote: »

I'd agree with your post up to the point you say Dil was important in public life.

She wasn't.

With respect, I didn't say that Dil was important for public life. I said that it's important to have people in public life that you disagree with, as a general principle. I don't think that Dil was an important figure but she's the type of person that gets people talking (we're doing it right now) and I think that that dialogue is important.

padd b1975

Paleblood wrote: »

With respect, I didn't say that Dil was important for public life. I said that it's important to have people in public life that you disagree with, as a general principle. I don't think that Dil was an important figure but she's the type of person that gets people talking (we're doing it right now) and I think that that dialogue is important.

If Dil could have found it within herself to hold a similar point of view, she'd still have her job.

PeterTheNinth

I bet that ye are all waiting with baited breath again tonight people, to see if she's back. So I turned on the radio, and there was a repeat of Ciara Kelly's show from this morning...

Same result... BANG!... the radio goes off.

Ursus Horribilis

That must have saved them €50

so happy she is gone. what a major pain in the hole.

Harry Palmr

Whatever one thinks about the host it is a narrowing of views on the national airwaves.

yosser hughes

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Whatever one thinks about the host it is a narrowing of views on the national airwaves.

No it isn't. What do you think is the dominant view expressed on Irish radio with regard to immigration for example?

Benildus

https://twitter.com/DilW/status/894948766876413953

Any person who believes that milk causes cancer does not deserve to be given a voice on national radio.

Conservative

yosser hughes wrote: »

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Whatever one thinks about the host it is a narrowing of views on the national airwaves.

No it isn't. What do you think is the dominant view expressed on Irish radio with regard to immigration for example?

George Hook is greatly missed in this respect. I have moved around this island enough in my life to know that the views of the average person are not reflected AT ALL in the media regarding immigration.

Harry Palmr

Benildus wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DilW/status/894948766876413953

Any person who believes that milk causes cancer does not deserve to be given a voice on national radio.

That link is not completely away with the fairies but as it's a slogan obviously contains no actual information

Here is the short form version of a major study published in 2013

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3542910/

My own conclusion from reading it is that you'd be wasting your time worrying about cancer from dairy produce unless you mainline it.

foxtrot101

Conservative wrote: »

George Hook is greatly missed in this respect. I have moved around this island enough in my life to know that the views of the average person are not reflected AT ALL in the media regarding immigration.

If that'a the case where's Ireland's equivalent of UKIP. The Immigration Control Platform has put candidates up six times in general elections since 2002 and the National Independent Party put someone up in the 2015 Carlow–Kilkenny by-election in 2015. None of them have come anywhere close to getting their deposits back.

Harry Palmr

foxtrot101 wrote: »

If that'a the case where's Ireland's equivalent of UKIP. The Immigration Control Platform has put candidates up six times in general elections since 2002 and the National Independent Party put someone up in the 2015 Carlow–Kilkenny by-election in 2015. None of them have come anywhere close to getting their deposits back.

and that's in a country with multi-seat PR, not FPTP. If there was any serious anti immigrant sentiment here it would be reflected in council and Dial seats.

DickSwiveller

yosser hughes wrote: »

Well, the 'source' for that is Dil herself. She did not arrive in Europe homeless, she arrived with her parents and lived with them and then she claims was she was kicked out by her Mother when she was 17 because she came out as a lesbian.
This is all Dil's version of events, we have no other.

I don't blame her mother for kicking her out.

Moderator: Banned - one month.

khaldrogo

They should give George the job.....

'Global Village with Hook' has a ring to it!!!!

Conservative

foxtrot101 wrote: »

Conservative wrote: »

George Hook is greatly missed in this respect. I have moved around this island enough in my life to know that the views of the average person are not reflected AT ALL in the media regarding immigration.

If that'a the case where's Ireland's equivalent of UKIP. The Immigration Control Platform has put candidates up six times in general elections since 2002 and the National Independent Party put someone up in the 2015 Carlow–Kilkenny by-election in 2015. None of them have come anywhere close to getting their deposits back.

Fair point, but we are many generations behind most other nations when it comes to immigration.

Like almost every other country in the developed world we will eventually have an anti immigration party who I likely won't support.

khaldrogo

khaldrogo wrote: »

They should give George the job.....

'Global Village with Hook' has a ring to it!!!!

They could rename it to Foxrock Village!

kunst nugget

DickSwiveller wrote: »

I don't blame her mother for kicking her out.

Wow... Stay classy, lads...

DickSwiveller

kunst nugget wrote: »

Wow... Stay classy, lads...

I'm just being honest. I couldn't live with her. Imagine the endless preaching.

Dave!

Tune in tomorrow lads...

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/916322375007956992

Jobs OXO

Dave! wrote: »

Tune in tomorrow lads...

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/916322375007956992

Will she be breast feeding this time?

alan partridge aha

Dave! wrote: »

Tune in tomorrow lads...

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/916322375007956992

Claire Byrne show used to be Ok, now we have Shatter reciting his "poetry" and this one on who no doubt will be whingeing about been let go.

Cop on RTE

The Specialist

She's only on Claire Byrne to announce she's taking over presenting the Late Late show - it will now be 3 hours of each member of the audience being singled out for how racist/bigoted they look and interpretative dance about minority groups acting as the musical interludes. The Toy Show will also be cancelled because it's much too racist.

hullaballoo

DickSwiveller wrote: »

I don't blame her mother for kicking her out.

Moderator: Banned - one month.

Month off for this disgusting comment. Base level human decency and empathy non-existent here.

PeterTheNinth

Dave! wrote: »

Tune in tomorrow lads...

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/916322375007956992

Playing the victim again. The question is which one of her multiple minority memberships does she think was the one she thinks was discriminated against.

DeadHand

Harry Palmr wrote: »

and that's in a country with multi-seat PR, not FPTP. If there was any serious anti immigrant sentiment here it would be reflected in council and Dial seats.

More to do with the ramshackle nature of those parties and the strictly local, practical focus of the Irish electorate than the public mood on the issue.

The overwhelming majority of Irish people are not "anti-immigrant" per se but they would be deeply sceptical of submitting to immigration of the scale and character which has transformed many European countries into societies that require the army deployed on the streets on a full time basis.

For example, if the issue was isolated, I firmly believe that any plebiscite asking if we should participate in the "refugee" crisis would be soundly defeated without any campaigning. This is why we are not asked and why much of Europe was not asked.

Even here, on a site often hostile to any conservative opinion, any poll on immigration sees the anti side winning comprehensively.

As it is, immigration does not yet register as a general election issue among the multitude of other problems the country has, especially when advanced by amateurish, shoestring parties.

It also doesn't help that much of our media (among whom Dil was a particular fervent witch hunter) is rabidly censorious and keen to suppress any thought crime by destroying anyone who defies the prevailing pro-immigration/multi-cultural narrative.

When we start encountering the horrors other European nations have, it will become a general election issue.

Vorenus400

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

Playing the victim again. The question is which one of her multiple minority memberships does she think was the one she thinks was discriminated against.

Do most people in the media not play the victim? George Hook has been mentioned here alot and he was always quick to play the victim. Its not only people on the left or minorities who do this. Seems like PR day one to say you have been abused on twitter or online. Newstalk is particularly bad for relying on twitter for content.