Gov spent 300k on Riot Gear for Army - expecting Riots??

mikerowsopht

As the title suggest the Army are getting 300 k worth of new equipment for tackling riots that are expected to hit Ireland in the coming months / years

type this into google : irish army training for riots

Links : http://www.independent.ie/national-news/8364300000-spent-on-irish-army-riot-kit-1943964.html

http://www.politics.ie/defence/118535-irish-army-tooled-up-civil-unrest.html

Of course they are denying it saying it's for abroad and also to replace their old rioting equipment. I think it's hilarious the gov are cutting back everywhere but are buying new riot gear for the army

what does everyone think about this?

I mean if Fiana Fail expect it, let's do it

Sykk

Eeeeeeverybody's heard about the bird.. B b b bird bird bird, bird is the word.

And so on

BluesBerry

mikerowsopht wrote: »

As the title suggest the Army are getting 300 k worth of new equipment for tackling riots that are expected to hit Ireland in the coming months / years

type this into google : irish army training for riots

Links : http://www.independent.ie/national-news/8364300000-spent-on-irish-army-riot-kit-1943964.html

http://www.politics.ie/defence/118535-irish-army-tooled-up-civil-unrest.html

Of course they are denying it saying it's for abroad and also to replace their old rioting equipment. I think it's hilarious the gov are cutting back everywhere but are buying new riot gear for the army

what does everyone think about this?

I mean if Fiana Fail expect it, let's do it

Lets fall in love?

I read here also that a lot of garda have being getting trained up as well

M.J.M.C

You do know how much they pay Brian Cowen right?

Least we've 300grand of riot gear to show for this.

senordingdong

Do recall reading something similar last year...

bonerm

Hope they have them nicely washed and ironed for December 9th.

My name is URL

Of course they're expecting rioting. It's only a matter of time until some idiots decide to start burning down government buildings and so on because they're fully sure that's the only way out of this hole we're in. Tbh 300 grand is pale in comparison to what it will cost us if people do start to riot.

Pookah

senordingdong wrote: »

Do recall reading something similar last year...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055742171&highlight=army

mikemac

OP, did you spot the articles are from 2009?

neil_

Asked if the equipment was being procured to cope with large-scale public demonstrations over government cutbacks and policies a Defence Forces spokesman said: "No. It's being bought to replace existing stocks."

They're just replacing old equipment.

Stinicker

My name is URL wrote: »

Of course they're expecting rioting. It's only a matter of time until some idiots decide to start burning down government buildings and so on because they're fully sure that's the only way out of this hole we're in. Tbh 300 grand is pale in comparison to what it will cost us if people do start to riot.

If the Army or Gardai are prepared to kill the public to maintain a Government without a Democratic mandate then I will fight and I know I will not be alone. We are facing a massive crisis last seen in 1920.

We the citizens have a duty to overthrow the Government and if they will not go peacefully then force must be used, if it means starting a Civil war between the people and Irish Army and Gardai then so be it. It would not be the first time in Irish History that Fianna Fail and their descendants brought Irish men to kill each other.

Fianna Fail forefathers the anti-treatyites caused the Irish Civil War and were sharply dealt with by the Freestate (Fine Gael). The Ballyseedy massacre outside Tralee saw Eight IRA men tied to a pole and blown to smithereens by the Freestate, this sent a warning to the IRA and the exact same thing needs to be done to Fianna Fail again in modern times.

Kill them all.

mikerowsopht

sy, didn't realise there was already another thread on this
may as well delete it

just thought the people should know we have money for riot gear while cutting back everywhere else and all you can do really is laugh

coz if I don't laugh, i'll cry

Dravokivich

mikerowsopht wrote: »

I think it's hilarious the gov are cutting back everywhere but are buying new riot gear for the army

Not exactly something one would be able to acquire in the Bargain Basement at Arnotts ya know...

Sanjuro

*awaits inevitable and unimaginative news report backed by Kaiser Chiefs' "I Predict A Riot."

Wolfe Tone

Stinicker wrote: »

If the Army or Gardai are prepared to kill the public to maintain a Government without a Democratic mandate then I will fight and I know I will not be alone. We are facing a massive crisis last seen in 1920.

We the citizens have a duty to overthrow the Government and if they will not go peacefully then force must be used, if it means starting a Civil war between the people and Irish Army and Gardai then so be it. It would not be the first time in Irish History that Fianna Fail and their descendants brought Irish men to kill each other.

Fianna Fail forefathers the anti-treatyites caused the Irish Civil War and were sharply dealt with by the Freestate (Fine Gael). The Ballyseedy massacre outside Tralee saw Eight IRA men tied to a pole and blown to smithereens by the Freestate, this sent a warning to the IRA and the exact same thing needs to be done to Fianna Fail again in modern times.

Kill them all.

What a load of rubbish. FF have a mandate ffs.

Wolfe Tone

Dravokivich wrote: »

Not exactly something one would be able to acquire in the Bargain Basement at Arnotts ya know...

They could go to the fancy dress shop and dress as legionaries?

Stinicker

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

What a load of rubbish. FF have a mandate ffs.

They don't have a mandate actually as they are refusing to hold three crucial By-Elections which would give the opposition the numbers to outvote them in the Dail. Fianna Fail are now no different to your nick.

Wolfe Tone

Stinicker wrote: »

They don't have a mandate actually as they are refusing to hold three crucial By-Elections which would give the opposition the numbers to outvote them in the Dail. Fianna Fail are now no different to your nick.

Ah, bring Bobby Sands into it? Pretty sure he won a by election.

testicle

Firstly, the article is from November 2009. Secondly this equipment is to replace already existing equipment. The Defence Forces has been training in anti-riot for many years.

You will recall that they were on stand-by for the May Day riots in 2006, and also they were right behind the Gardai line in the riots in Dublin in 1972, just to give 2 examples.

BluesBerry

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Ah, bring Bobby Sands into it? Pretty sure he won a by election.

He ment your boards nickname

Wolfe Tone

BluesBerry wrote: »

He ment your boards nickname

Oh right, my bad, thought he said sig.


TBH thats even more ludicrous.

mikerowsopht

testicle wrote: »

Firstly, the article is from November 2009. Secondly this equipment is to replace already existing equipment. The Defence Forces has been training in anti-riot for many years.

You will recall that they were on stand-by for the May Day riots in 2006, and also they were right behind the Gardai line in the riots in Dublin in 1972, just to give 2 examples.

I know I read the article, to replace existing equipment... still though to purchase 300k of it in these times we are in says something


2 perfectly good examples........37 years apart tho.

Again the fact they were purchased recently says something.....

My name is URL

Stinicker wrote: »

Fianna Fail forefathers the anti-treatyites caused the Irish Civil War and were sharply dealt with by the Freestate (Fine Gael). The Ballyseedy massacre outside Tralee saw Eight IRA men tied to a pole and blown to smithereens by the Freestate, this sent a warning to the IRA and the exact same thing needs to be done to Fianna Fail again in modern times.

Kill them all.

Overthrowing the current wasters isn't going to mean that we're in a better off position any sooner than we would be by just waiting for a GE. A revolt would be the final nail in Ireland's coffin as far as international interests go. We're not the same old isolationist country that we once were.. and it's not just us who stand to gain or lose from rising against our leaders. We'd lose whatever trace of stability we have left, and the IMF would be straight in

Notorious97

Stinicker wrote: »

If the Army or Gardai are prepared to kill the public to maintain a Government without a Democratic mandate then I will fight and I know I will not be alone. We are facing a massive crisis last seen in 1920.

We the citizens have a duty to overthrow the Government and if they will not go peacefully then force must be used, if it means starting a Civil war between the people and Irish Army and Gardai then so be it. It would not be the first time in Irish History that Fianna Fail and their descendants brought Irish men to kill each other.

Fianna Fail forefathers the anti-treatyites caused the Irish Civil War and were sharply dealt with by the Freestate (Fine Gael). The Ballyseedy massacre outside Tralee saw Eight IRA men tied to a pole and blown to smithereens by the Freestate, this sent a warning to the IRA and the exact same thing needs to be done to Fianna Fail again in modern times.

Kill them all.

What the freestate done to the eight members of the IRA was disgraceful, and not a proud moment for our country. Just because they didn’t support the treaty does not mean they deserved to be brutally murdered (one survived as far as im aware). They were just doing englands dirty work really with how they treated the IRA then.

Back on topic though, its an old article as people have stated, and unfortunately FF do have a mandate as they have been elected until 2012. It would be nice if they would do the decent thing and call a general election as they have lost any trust we had in them. Im not a FF supporter, im just stating facts as i see them.

Lemegeton

irish people are too lazy and apathetic to riot.

Mark200

Lemegeton wrote: »

irish people are too lazy and apathetic to riot.

I'd be embarrassed by my country if there were riots. Riots would only make things far worse. You only have to look and see the aftermath of the Greek and Icelandic riots to know that. Anyone who thinks rioting is a good idea is just someone who wants to make themselves feel better.

Sgt. Bilko 09

mikerowsopht wrote: »

As the title suggest the Army are getting 300 k worth of new equipment for tackling riots that are expected to hit Ireland in the coming months / years

type this into google : irish army training for riots

Links : http://www.independent.ie/national-news/8364300000-spent-on-irish-army-riot-kit-1943964.html

http://www.politics.ie/defence/118535-irish-army-tooled-up-civil-unrest.html

Of course they are denying it saying it's for abroad and also to replace their old rioting equipment. I think it's hilarious the gov are cutting back everywhere but are buying new riot gear for the army

what does everyone think about this?

I mean if Fiana Fail expect it, let's do it

Well if you seen and know the military equipment you would no that it ageing equipment thats why thay bougth new aircraft they are currently purchasing two new long distance patrol boats and also the new RG-32M's to revamp the miltary as a hole.

Gardai are well trained organisation to deal with such issues i.e. may day riots were over within three hours clearly they are able to deal with such situations.

Futhermore if you noticed that emegency services has also been awarded with funding to get new equipment multi story laddered fire tenders and new tankers and water bowsers in need off flooding.
Ambulances have the new faster more reliabe merceders sprinters.

Gardai have recently got new volvos for rsu and new equipment for eru and are currently oredering new patrol vechiles.

So look at it as hole very view will you's stop thinking its going to end up a military agenda to go out to help the gardai because they can't handle riots its what there job is deal with the public in mass on by little.

MrDarcy

When the riots start we should take a few lessons from the French. They don't give the police the opportunity to hammer them on main street, they take the protests out to the suburbs, setting up several road blocks by burning vehicles to stop the police moving around, set fire to public buildings to make their point.

gizmo

My name is URL wrote: »

Of course they're expecting rioting. It's only a matter of time until some idiots decide to start burning down government buildings and so on because they're fully sure that's the only way out of this hole we're in. Tbh 300 grand is pale in comparison to what it will cost us if people do start to riot.

Kind of reminds me of that cat burglar episode of The Simpsons where Homer and the rest of the village idiots try to dig themselves out of the hole. :pac:

Sea Sharp

Once the social welfare is cut in any significant way there'll be riots.
There's been a lot of gloomy stories about the economy in the news but there's been no real poverty yet.

Donkey Oaty

Lemegeton wrote: »

irish people are too lazy and apathetic to riot.

Or too busy discussing the Civil War.

Micky Dolenz

Can we not encourage violence please. As a state hopefully we have come beyond that.

Sgt. Bilko 09

will you's stop posting up things that are mad out off the ordinary THERE WON'T RIOTS THERE WON'T ARMY ON THE STREETS if people are like that planning on blockades and running through streets i think some people need a wake up call half the stuff thats been said would make a great film.

Local-womanizer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM1Vbs5L0t4

They need it for this kind of stuff.

They always train for riots.

mikerowsopht

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Can we not encourage violence please. As a state hopefully we have come beyond that.

I have done no such thing, simply pointed out that the gov have spent 300 grand on new rioting equipment

the ppl can take it from there

Local-womanizer

mikerowsopht wrote: »

I have done no such thing, simply pointed out that the gov have spent 300 grand on new rioting equipment

the ppl can take it from there

The people can take it from there?!

So fcuking what that they have bought no equipment,to replace the old stuff!!!

Its not a bloody new thing that the Army train to deal with Riots!

Such a stupid thread!

Micky Dolenz

mikerowsopht wrote: »

I have done no such thing,

It ain't all about you mike.

kowloon

300k won't buy you all that much in the way of riot gear, it's not cheap.

Grimreaper666

There were a couple of riot truck brought in from Holland on the ferry a few weeks back too apparently on loan, got a garda escort off the ferry........

Sgt. Bilko 09

Sykk wrote: »

Eeeeeeverybody's heard about the bird.. B b b bird bird bird, bird is the word.

And so on

Fail

its....everybody knows that the bird is the word ha

Brendog

Thats pretty smart thinking on the governments behalf.

Give the army 300k worth of riot gear and make all the budget cuts you want.
They will eventually have to make cuts to the army. Then we will rise. Like a cock in the morning. ...




waking everyone up with a cock-a-doodle-do

ScumLord

Sanjuro wrote: »

*awaits inevitable and unimaginative news report backed by Kaiser Chiefs' "I Predict A Riot."

But that was the ministers actual justification for buying the riot equipment. His report on the possibility of a riot in Dublin was just the lyrics to that song. Everyone on the board was so amused they voted for his proposal without any further discussion.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Brendog wrote: »

Give the army 300k worth of riot gear and make all the budget cuts you want.
They will eventually have to make cuts to the army.

There has been huge cuts in the Defence Forces.

In fact it leads the way in public sector reform.

But the fact remains that we need stuff like riot gear, bombs & bullets, new ships, hopefully new rifles soon, wouldn't mind a change of uniform for oversea's deployment etc etc.

citizen_p

im fairly sure they bought gear during the boom as well tbh

Riddle101

Stinicker wrote: »

If the Army or Gardai are prepared to kill the public to maintain a Government without a Democratic mandate then I will fight and I know I will not be alone. We are facing a massive crisis last seen in 1920.

We the citizens have a duty to overthrow the Government and if they will not go peacefully then force must be used, if it means starting a Civil war between the people and Irish Army and Gardai then so be it. It would not be the first time in Irish History that Fianna Fail and their descendants brought Irish men to kill each other.

Fianna Fail forefathers the anti-treatyites caused the Irish Civil War and were sharply dealt with by the Freestate (Fine Gael). The Ballyseedy massacre outside Tralee saw Eight IRA men tied to a pole and blown to smithereens by the Freestate, this sent a warning to the IRA and the exact same thing needs to be done to Fianna Fail again in modern times.

Kill them all.

Yeah I'm not about to go around and start killing my own countrymen just because the Government are sh!t. Besides, a Civil War would just be worse for country anyway.

slum dog

the irish army would have some cheek to use riot gear against there own people after what has happended to this country. im hoping there will be a coup detat b4 that happens or we are in for some serious civil war!

Mark200

slum dog wrote: »

the irish army would have some cheek to use riot gear against there own people after what has happended to this country. im hoping there will be a coup detat b4 that happens or we are in for some serious civil war!

Yeah how dare the army use riot gear in a riot

knird evol

slum dog wrote: »

the irish army would have some cheek to use riot gear against there own people after what has happended to this country. im hoping there will be a coup detat b4 that happens or we are in for some serious civil war!

If your preparing a coup d'etat dog you'll need the Army on side, especially the officer corps. So don't call them cheeky. Phone the Dept of Defence tommorow and sound them out on your new regime

slum dog

Mark200 wrote: »

Yeah how dare the army use riot gear in a riot

im dead serious. the army should stand beside the irish people not the corupt scum in power. it'll be like bangkok all over again.

Mark200

slum dog wrote: »

im dead serious. the army should stand beside the irish people not the corupt scum in power. it'll be like bangkok all over again.

Well if it ever comes to it (which it won't), I'll be on the side of preserving democracy. Not your side.

Poccington

mikerowsopht wrote: »

As the title suggest the Army are getting 300 k worth of new equipment for tackling riots that are expected to hit Ireland in the coming months / years

type this into google : irish army training for riots

Links : http://www.independent.ie/national-news/8364300000-spent-on-irish-army-riot-kit-1943964.html

http://www.politics.ie/defence/118535-irish-army-tooled-up-civil-unrest.html

Of course they are denying it saying it's for abroad and also to replace their old rioting equipment. I think it's hilarious the gov are cutting back everywhere but are buying new riot gear for the army

what does everyone think about this?

I mean if Fiana Fail expect it, let's do it

As stated, it is to replace existing stocks. Plus, your article is old.

Stinicker wrote: »

If the Army or Gardai are prepared to kill the public to maintain a Government without a Democratic mandate then I will fight and I know I will not be alone. We are facing a massive crisis last seen in 1920.

We the citizens have a duty to overthrow the Government and if they will not go peacefully then force must be used, if it means starting a Civil war between the people and Irish Army and Gardai then so be it.

Yeah, cause that'll end really well.

testicle wrote: »

Firstly, the article is from November 2009. Secondly this equipment is to replace already existing equipment. The Defence Forces has been training in anti-riot for many years.

You will recall that they were on stand-by for the May Day riots in 2006, and also they were right behind the Gardai line in the riots in Dublin in 1972, just to give 2 examples.

Don't forget the riots in Kosovo, lads got citations for bravery from the UN for their actions in the Public Order platoons.

mikerowsopht wrote: »

I have done no such thing, simply pointed out that the gov have spent 300 grand on new rioting equipment

the ppl can take it from there

To replace existing stocks. I've seen shields smashed and broken, helmets smashed and broken, pads broken etc. during riot training. It's not indestructible and considering just how vicious Public Order training is, quite a lot of it gets broken.

There isn't some plan by the Government to crack down on civilians using the DF. It's to replace existing stocks, nothing more nothing less.

****ing hell.