Why does Greystones have so few pubs?

jobless

that's 8 people now bland pebbles ...

had the greystones inn been a restaurant, sports shop, barbers etc etc it would still have struggled to stay open given its location

Jimjay

jobless wrote: »

that's 8 people now bland pebbles ...

had the greystones inn been a restaurant, sports shop, barbers etc etc it would still have struggled to stay open given its location

Yes, specially as there are now about a million barbers in greystones. Having said that I did walk around every single one of them the other weekend, for a haircut, but gave up due to the huge queues at each one.

jobless

Jimjay wrote: »

Yes, specially as there are now about a million barbers in greystones. Having said that I did walk around every single one of them the other weekend, for a haircut, but gave up due to the huge queues at each one.

there's a lot of hairy people out this way alright

Matt Le Tissue

can I be the 9th person looking for a new pub please?
I liked the GI but as I lived in Newtown, it wasn't a practical choice. Then I move to Gstones and the GI has closed (bummer) So I shall drink at home or maybe at Danns or at friends houses

Charlie-Bravo

It'll be a while before we are all enlightened - An Bord Pleanala have a decision date on their website for 1st February 2011.

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/237592.htm

Blandpebbles

D'Oracle I understand very well... we have two pubs because two pubs are all thats needed. Neither one is at capacity.

We have two pubs and will continue to have two pubs for this reason.

While a massive 8 people now want a pub, all of them have said, they would elsewhere or stay home as well, ergo no demand.

But to set the record straight, I am not particularly against a new pub simply its not a feasible proposition for this town and secondly that I have sufficient a social life for me not to over analyse the alleged grumpy staff or bad atmosphere as I am amongst friends.

Annasopra

The Byrnes should employ you as an expert blandpebbles

Blandpebbles

Oh those pesky Byrnes and their ability to run a couple of pubs... if only we operated in a free market where anyone with 70k for a licence, the ability to pay high rents and the desire to open in a business in a depressed market..rise up oh oppressed masses.. we shall have a third pub in Greystones!

But hurry... it won't be there long... or until at least the name changes..

d'Oracle

Blandpebbles wrote: »

D'Oracle I understand very well... we have two pubs because two pubs are all thats needed. Neither one is at capacity.

We have two pubs and will continue to have two pubs for this reason.

Reductive logic.

You have simply said there are two pubs therefore, there is only a need for two pubs.
This is not a reason.

Bear in mind that as much time as you spend being negative on boards, the reality is Boards is not representitive of a cross-section of greystones. I have drank, socialised and even worked in the pubs of greystones for years. I can assure you that people want to drink in greystones, but choose not to. A lot of people.

Just because you are happy drinking on your couch doesn't mean that is what everyone wants to do.

Blandpebbles

I am not using boards as an indication, but simply economics. Point me to your research on the lots of people wanting to drink in Greystones and I may concede, hell I would be opening the pub next week if your claim is verifiable.

How many people?
Demographic?
Drinking habits ?


Best to pm me, don't want anyone else getting in on this sweet deal

d'Oracle

Nah were gonna have to agree to disagree.

Annasopra

Blandpebbles wrote: »

I am not using boards as an indication, but simply economics. Point me to your research on the lots of people wanting to drink in Greystones and I may concede, hell I would be opening the pub next week if your claim is verifiable.

How many people?
Demographic?
Drinking habits ?


Best to pm me, don't want anyone else getting in on this sweet deal

Where's your economic "research"? or are you just spouting economic theories to suit your hunch?

Blandpebbles

Not research, economic theory applied to historical and current facts.

No spouting no hunch but debate. Happy to hear your side using the same data and theories.

To d'oracles note about being negative.. Is it negative to recognise the facts? Perhaps I should go around saying oh golly gosh let's have another pub guys and girls.. As long as it's not me taking a bath on it..

Jimjay

Ok so lets agree to disagree with blandpebbles that greystones does not need a Third pub and does not have the population to even justify anyone opening a third pub.

This does not mean a new pub on the main street is not a viable business plan. Now I dont have no fancy pants letters in front of my name saying i sat in a lecture hall learning about where a new pub should go but i have an open mind and try and look at all the angles.

From speaking with people i have found that the current pub on the main street has no atmosphere and does not offer the best service. I have found this myself and stopped going a long time ago. This does not mean i dont want to go to the pub, just that there isnt one i want to go to.

Now... If a pub opened as a temporary third pub (second on the main street) and if that pub offered a better service and better atmosphere then why would that pub be the one that closes down? Maybe the other pub would close down making the new pub a very viable business plan.

d'Oracle

Jimjay wrote: »

Ok so lets agree to disagree with blandpebbles that greystones does not need a Third pub and does not have the population to even justify anyone opening a third pub.

From speaking with people i have found that the current pub on the main street has no atmosphere and does not offer the best service. I have found this myself and stopped going a long time ago. This does not mean i dont want to go to the pub, just that there isnt one i want to go to.

Have you not been reading, because you don't go to the pub in Greystones, a pub cannot be viable. Its an Economic Fact.

Blandpebbles

+1

Cheeky Chops

I had a great night out recently in the Burnaby .. but then I would have a good night in my garden shed if I had good company and a few pints.

I would welcome another a pub though.

Blandpebbles

Love the Burnaby! Mind you I love the Beachhouse too.

Annasopra

perhaps the proposed new pub on the main street will prove blandpebbles negatively framed and biased theories wrong

Blandpebbles

Please explain how my contribution to this thread is biased and negative..

I am being realistic in all points, while others on this thread wax lyrical about how good a new pub would be despite not being able to say how it would operate, what it would like etc...

I do not see any accusations of bias or positivity put on these people.

As a moderator and especially given the forums you moderate I would have expected you to be promoting inclusion and acceptance through healthy debate rather than inciting people to come down on me or anyone else who goes against the grain.

Is the desire for a drink in a new establishment so overwhelming that the cost to the owner is ignored and those engaged in realistic debate villified?

ciaran67

I was in Ballina the other day. Apparently, they had 94 pubs. :eek:

d'Oracle

Blandpebbles wrote: »

As a moderator and especially given the forums you moderate I would have expected you to be promoting inclusion and acceptance through healthy debate rather than inciting people to come down on me or anyone else who goes against the grain.

That's frickin irrelevant.
He is as entitled to his opinion as you are.

Moderating another forum does not mean that someone has to accept your baseless ravings. Certainly what fora he moderates has NO BEARING at all.

Your theories are biased towards your own opinion. You are claiming to be using economics, but what your are really doing is applying reductive logic to half applied economic conjecture in some lame attempt to prove that there is no appetite for another pub in Greystones. Whilst at the same time, rather hilariously, looking for economic studies as proof for people disagreeing with you.

Blandpebbles

Yet your only response is, wouldn't it be nice if we had a pub. Whose argument is more baseless?

I realise it is irksome to be completely unable to justify a new pub in Greystones despite the nostalgia and talk of the Alcohol Utopia Greystones would be if only, if only we had another pub.

Given the current state of the World, Ireland and Greystones in economic terms isn't time we thought less of ourselves and our desire for beer, and more about the real world implications of setting up any kind of business in this environment.

I realise this kind of levelled headedness is probably lost on people whose livelihood has been decimated by cuts and that alcohol may be a way to forget the pain but surely driving another business into the ground for the sake of it makes no sense at all.

Ultimately the question I put to you is this; if you had the money, would you open a new pub in Greystones? And if so, how would you make it a success.

Dr Blandpebbles, the voice of calm

loyatemu

this thread is descending into the usual pointless bickering.

BP - you obviously don't think there's much market for another pub, which is fair enough. It would be a brave person who opened any new business in the middle of the sh!tstorm Ireland currently finds itself in.

However its undeniable that Greystones has far fewer pubs per head of population than most other towns and the ones that we do have a fairly dull. Personally I'd like more choice, but I don't go to the pub that often and thats unlikely to change. Ultimately if a new pub does open the market will decide.

Blandpebbles

Agreed on all counts.

Matt Le Tissue

Blandpebbles wrote: »

Ultimately the question I put to you is this; if you had the money, would you open a new pub in Greystones? And if so, how would you make it a success.

If I had the money? then yes I would open a pub. As to how to make it a success, I'd do research and employ some friendly staff for a start.


"However its undeniable that Greystones has far fewer pubs per head of population than most other towns and the ones that we do have a fairly dull. Personally I'd like more choice, but I don't go to the pub that often and thats unlikely to change. Ultimately if a new pub does open the market will decide"


It's all about choice at the end of the day, and in Greystones we have little or no choice at all. In Leitrim village ( much smaller than Greystones) there are4 (or 5 pubs if you include the hotel) and they're still in business.

jobless

Matt Le Tissue wrote: »

If I had the money? then yes I would open a pub. As to how to make it a success, I'd do research and employ some friendly staff for a start.


"However its undeniable that Greystones has far fewer pubs per head of population than most other towns and the ones that we do have a fairly dull. Personally I'd like more choice, but I don't go to the pub that often and thats unlikely to change. Ultimately if a new pub does open the market will decide"


It's all about choice at the end of the day, and in Greystones we have little or no choice at all. In Leitrim village ( much smaller than Greystones) there are4 (or 5 pubs if you include the hotel) and they're still in business.

exactly my sentiments... but unfortunately some people like to settle for BLAND pubs and dont want change.... bring on the new pub i say!

Jimjay

As i have said before.. bring on the new pub, if its better than what we have already and there is still only room for two pubs then the new one will stay open and one of the others will close.

If there is enough room for two pubs, the only reason why Greystones Inn closed down and not one of the other two, is due to the fact it wasnt as good as the other two, wasnt in the correct location or combination of both.

Sticky Fingers

AFAIK, as part of the PP for this Pub, there will be no food available. Hard to make money without that eh ?

Annasopra

Sticky Fingers wrote: »

AFAIK, as part of the PP for this Pub, there will be no food available. Hard to make money without that eh ?

The costs of food production can be very expensive - I would have thought it's easier to make money without food