just a few questions.....

tommyboy26

1:what is the difference between a .17hmr and a .17 mach2?

2:if i apply to change a licence from a .22 to a .17 and im refused do i still keep the .22 licence?

3:when applying to change caliber can i also apply for a silencer on same application?

cheers

tommy

Cass

tommyboy26 wrote: »

1:what is the difference between a .17hmr and a .17 mach2?

The .17 HMR has a bullet of 4.4mm using a necked down .22 magnum case. The .17 Mach 2 has the same 4.4mm bullet but uses a similar sized case as a standard .22lr.

.17 Mach 2 on the left and .17 HMR on the right



.17 mach 2 compared to the .22lr

2:if i apply to change a licence from a .22 to a .17 and im refused do i still keep the .22 licence?

Yes. You can apply in 3 ways.

• Apply for the .17 as another rifle and as a brand new application.
• Apply to substitute the .22 for a .17, but this will be down to your Super/FO as to whether you can do a substitution.
• Apply for the .17 as a new application (FCA1) and cancel the .22lr if trading or selling (FCA2).

3:when applying to change caliber can i also apply for a silencer on same application?

Yes. My father when substituting one of his rifles applied for a moderator on the new firearm and also an increase in ammo amount and received both. Again its Super/FO dependant, but i cannot see it being an issue.

tommyboy26

which .17 round is better? it will be used on range and for the odd rabbit.


tommy

Cass

No point in me trying to baffle you with bulls**t. I've never owned a .17 so i'm not the man to ask about the benefits of each one. There are lads out there with more practical experience that could answer that better. Personally i would imagine its the same as a .22lr and the .22 magnum. Same size bullet, but with the difference in cases, hence loads, one would have a greater range and knocking ability.

Why are you going for a .17 for range work. I can understand the uses and benefits of one for field shooting, but it seems an odd caliber to have if the primary use is target work.

Just an observation and idle curiosity.

tommyboy26

have a .308 and a .22 both target rifles that you wouldnt carry into a field. so wanted somethin to do both and i know a .22 is fine for rabbits but heard a .17 will take down a fox if i ever came across one or was i missed informed?:eek:


tommy

bunny shooter

I reckon the .17 Mach 2 is going to be hard to find. I have never seen or heard of anyone here with one.

If you want a bunny gun 0-150 yards and the odd fox to about 90-100 yards a .17 HMR is what ya want, especially as you have a .22lr target rifle already.

.17 HMR might be a tad expensive for target shooting especially compared to .22lr.

Only critism I have of .17 HMR is it don't like wind

Cass

tommyboy26 wrote: »

............. heard a .17 will take down a fox if i ever came across one or was i missed informed?

From the lads i know with them they are well capable of taking a fox. If thats your aim i would consider the .17 HMR so. The .17 Mach 2 seems too much like the .22lr to me. No point having two rifles of similar abilities.






I think i'll stay quiet now as i'm really sailing into unknown waters. I'll leave it to the more experienced lads to answer any other questions as anything else i say is second hand info or what seems "right" to me.

tommyboy26

you can buy a sako quad in .17hmr or mach 2 and conisidering buyin one..


tommy

Tackleberrywho

tommyboy26 wrote: »

have a .308 and a .22 both target rifles that you wouldnt carry into a field. so wanted somethin to do both and i know a .22 is fine for rabbits but heard a .17 will take down a fox if i ever came across one or was i missed informed?:eek:


tommy

The .17 HMR is ok for a fox, although they kind of cashed in on the fame of the .17Rem which is a horse of a different colour



Left to right. .17 HM2 (Mach 2), .17 HMR, .17 fireball/mach IV, .17 REM

bunny shooter

Yes you can.

It comes in .22lr, .22 wmr, .17 Mach 2 & ,17 HMR. Need four licences but as I reckon .17 Mach 2 is a non runner and if it were me I get .22lr & .17 HMR

tommyboy26

thinkin of trading in .22 b.s.a lever action for sako quad .17. but dont know if i want to get rid of b.s.a


tommy

bunny shooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

...........although they kind of cashed in on teh fame of the .17Rem which is a horse of a different colour

How do you make that out when one is rimfire and one is centrefire

Tackleberrywho

My cousin had a .17Rem for many years.

minced many a fox with it. However ammo was hard(ish) to source and now he has a .223

bunny shooter

tommyboy26 wrote: »

thinkin of trading in .22 b.s.a lever action for sako quad .17. but dont know if i want to get rid of b.s.a


tommy

I'm sure all of us here know what you're going through

Tackleberrywho

bunny shooter wrote: »

How do you make that out when one is rimfire and one is centrefire

The .17 bit

most lads non internet Junkies just remember the numbers!

As I said the cousin had a .17Rem, his cousin went to buy one and came home with a .17HMR and thought it was the same yoke until they went out shooting one weekend and he saw the difference

tommyboy26

current security only allows three non restricted so cant have .22 and .17:eek:

bunny shooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

My cousin had a .17Rem for many years.

minced many a fox with it. However ammo was hard(ish) to source and now he has a .223

Had one myself, great calibre, not great in the wind though. Sweet on foxes if you wanted pelts :cool:

.223 has become very popular BUT I know of a lad who has a .17 REM for years and he has shot a lot of foxes with it

.204 Ruger is going to be the king of fox calibres here in the near future I reckon

bunny shooter

tommyboy26 wrote: »

current security only allows three non restricted so cant have .22 and .17:eek:

If I were you I'd get .22lr in a Quad so

tommyboy26

what is next up from .17?


tommy

Cass

tommyboy26 wrote:

thinkin of trading in .22 b.s.a lever action for sako quad .17. but dont know if i want to get rid of b.s.a

Why not go for the 3rd rifle license?

bunny shooter

ezridax wrote: »

Why not go for the 3rd rifle license?

He has a 308, BSA* .22lr and wants .17hmr and .22lr for hunting :P

Tackleberrywho

bunny shooter wrote: »

Had one myself, great calibre, not great in the wind though. Sweet on foxes if you wanted pelts :cool:

.223 has become very popular BUT I know of a lad who has a .17 REM for years and he has shot a lot of foxes with it

.204 Ruger is going to be the king of fox calibres here in the near future I reckon

.204 probably will.

Although the price and availability of cheap (€10 boxes) will have to happen before they will take over on mass.

I know a few older chaps who only shoot foxes and ammo price is their biggest concern.

I'd be tempted to go .204 myself, however a little bird tells me a fellow boards members 6XC shot a 4" group @ 1000 this week.
now that could be my next Calibre, If i can afford one after the next Budget

bunny shooter

I reckon keep 308, buy Quad in .22lr & .17 HMR in the Varmint configuation..........sorted 3 x licences security level 1

Cass

Ok, i'm a bit lost so i'll backtrack a bit.

He has a .308 and .22lr. Get a Sako (if he wants one) in .17HMR while still within the current level of security (3 rifles). Later when money allows go for another barrel for the Sako.







Ye all are posting too damn fast. By the time i answer or ask something you've all asked or answered it already.

tommyboy26

have .308 and .22 now but goin for a shotgun for clays cause handgun to much hassle so this would mean havin to change one rifle. john greene has my .308 so that leaves .22 to be changed for .17 for field and range

tommy

Cass

Keep the .308
Sell/trade the BSA
Buy a shotgun
Buy the Sako in .17HMR






.................................... and i'm spent

bunny shooter

ezridax wrote: »

Keep the .308
Sell/trade the BSA
Buy a shotgun
Buy the Sako in .17HMR






.................................... and i'm spent

Agree except buy Quad in .22lr

Cass

He wants foxes as well so the .17 HMR would be better at the longer distances (100+ yards) would it not?

bunny shooter

ezridax wrote: »

He wants foxes as well so the .17 HMR would be better at the longer distances (100+ yards) would it not?

Yes ............... BUT ........................ He's be better off using shottie with BB's on foxes or God help me for saying it ............ the .308 ........ and the .22lr is better for target work on a number of fronts

tommyboy26

ezridax wrote: »

He wants foxes as well so the .17 HMR would be better at the longer distances (100+ yards) would it not?

thought a .22 wont take a fox and would like somethin that would if i came across one so .17 it is:D


have changed my mind so much i have confused myself:D:D

tommyboy26

bunny shooter wrote: »

Yes ............... BUT ........................ He's be better off using shottie with BB's on foxes or God help me for saying it ............ the .308 ........ and the .22lr is better for target work on a number of fronts

.308 will be full custom rifle when i get it back and dont fancy taking somethin that cost me a few quid into a field hunting.....

bunny shooter

tommyboy26 wrote: »

thought a .22 wont take a fox and would like somethin that would if i came across one so .17 it is:D


have changed my mind so much i have confused myself:D:D

.22lr with a high velocity round like CCI Velocitor or CCI Stinger if you are a good enough shot will kill a fox cleanly out to 80-100 yards no problem.

Tackleberrywho

tommyboy26 wrote: »

.308 will be full custom rifle when i get it back and dont fancy taking somethin that cost me a few quid into a field hunting.....

Then the .17 is yer only man 150 yard bunnies and foxes ~100

if it was me, that's what i would do.

Or "buy a .223":D:D:D
And never want to shoot anything else lol

tommyboy26

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Then the .17 is yer only man 150 yard bunnies and foxes ~100

if it was me, that's what i would do.

Or "buy a .223":D:D:D
And never want to shoot anything else lol

considered a .223 but really like the quad and unfortunatly it dont come in a .233:eek: