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Why was Peter Sutherland given a platform on the RTE news?
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Keep it up.. your just proving my point that people in this country are unwilling to accept the depth of cuts that need to be made...
I wouldn't blame a lot of PS workers to be unwilling to accept these cuts.
We need far more leadership from the government first, i.e. Lenihan's decision to exclude top civil servants from the PS pay cuts made an absolute mockery of everything.0 -
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blue_steel wrote: »Maybe you should apply for one if you think it's such a great gig. I am speaking from experience when I tell you that where I work (a ps local authority) nobody has been hired in two years. And out of my dept of 25 people all temp staff (12!) have been let go. These are real people with kids who are suffering. Not smarmy Bilderberg group s**ts like your mate suds.
And these cuts in jobs mean that services are no longer provided. Because management (also on very nice incomes) don't really give a s**t if the streets aren't cleaned in Cabra. When it comes to cuts they'll cut services not their own pay.
FACT people are being hired.. deal with it.. Don't claim FACTS that everyone knows are untrue..
If you want to discuss the Cp agreement, then those (12!) people were private sector employees contracted to the PS.. and the reason they went instead of the swathes of middle management who are unnecessary in the HSE, is because you and your unions have the CP agreement which meant you continued to be untouchable, so those (12) had to go.. dont blame Suds because you got what you wanted..blue_steel wrote: »Now you can spout all the deficit garbage you want but at the end of the day the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Are you paying you GP less that two years ago? Everyone is not sharing the pain. And if you argue they are then nail you colours to the mast and tell us what you've done. Otherwise get off your soapbox.
Yes the defecit is garbage
...Keep up the denial.. it will all just disappear...
Where did I claim that everyone is sharing the pain? I don't think we have even started to share the pain..
Meanwhile people like me (who fyi are not bankers, friends of bankers or any other pathetic insult you choose to throw because you lack the capacity to discuss like an adult) will deal with the reality of the situation and continue to work hard and pay our way and whatever is necessary to ensure our children have a future..0 -
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A lot of what you say is true, but without doubt, more cuts have to come in the PS, welfare and pensions in my opinion. Taxes will also need to be increased. I would also like to see projects like the metro scrapped.
Sadly I agree. But I though everyone had to play their part. I live across the road from a gp. Don't get me wrong he's a lovely fella but in the last two years he has taken the income levy.(1 -3% of icome).
In the same period I've had the income levy (1 -3%), the pension levy (7%) [and btw I would opt out of my amazing ps pension if I could but alas it's compulsary] and the ps pay cut (7%).
Now where is the fairness in that? He has two 10 reg BMWs in the drive, I've a clapped out golf 0 -
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Yes the defecit is garbage ...Keep up the denial.. it will all just disappear...
Where did I claim that everyone is sharing the pain? I don't think we have even started to share the pain..
Meanwhile people like me (who fyi are not bankers, friends of bankers or any other pathetic insult you choose to throw because you lack the capacity to discuss like an adult) will deal with the reality of the situation and continue to work hard and pay our way and whatever is necessary to ensure our children have a future..
No one is denying the deficit needs to be reduced. No one. The govt is talking about taking 3bn maybe 4bn out of the economy in the next budget. Are you suggesting the govt wipe out the deficit over night? Do you know anything about how an economy works. Shrinking govt. expenditure when the economy is depressed leads to more unemployment, falling tax revenue and further shrinkage of the economy. That is what is happening and it is why the govt has to be careful not to take so much money out of the economy that everything collapses. As it is we are on an unsustainable course. More and more mortgages are falling into arrears, the problems with the banks keep getting worse, the economy is still contracting, unemployment is rising. Tax revenues are falling so the deficit is not being reduced. Most of our efforts have been self defeating. And what do you want? Even more cuts.
The govt is doing everything it can to reduce the deficit without destroying the domestic economy completely.0 -
blue_steel wrote: »Sadly I agree. But I though everyone had to play their part. I live across the road from a gp. Don't get me wrong he's a lovely fella but in the last two years he has taken the income levy.(1 -3% of icome).
In the same period I've had the income levy (1 -3%), the pension levy (7%) [and btw I would opt out of my amazing ps pension if I could but alas it's compulsary] and the ps pay cut (7%).
Now where is the fairness in that? He has two 10 reg BMWs in the drive, I've a clapped out golf
Well first off, he's probably far more skilled than you, so your comparison isn't a very good one.
However, I do feel that people like that GP should be taking more of a hit. In fact, many wealthy individuals are paying no taxes at all through tax avoidance schemes. So it is far too simplictic for someone to shout 'hit the public sector harder'. Maybe hit those up highest harder for starters.0 -
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George Orwell 1982 wrote: »No one is denying the deficit needs to be reduced. No one. The govt is talking about taking 3bn maybe 4bn out of the economy in the next budget. Are you suggesting the govt wipe out the deficit over night? Do you know anything about how an economy works. Shrinking govt. expenditure when the economy is depressed leads to more unemployment, falling tax revenue and further shrinkage of the economy. That is what is happening and it is why the govt has to be careful not to take so much money out of the economy that everything collapses. As it is we are on an unsustainable course. More and more mortgages are falling into arrears, the problems with the banks keep getting worse, the economy is still contracting, unemployment is rising. Tax revenues are falling so the deficit is not being reduced. Most of our efforts have been self defeating. And what do you want? Even more cuts.
The govt is doing everything it can to reduce the deficit without destroying the domestic economy completely.
I never suggested we wipe out the defecit in one year.. lets at least argue what I have said
No it's not a simple situation, noone in their right mind believes it is.. but we need to continue to push harsh measure through..
If we look at previous comments (and by no means are the PS alone in having to deal with the problem).. but pretending that pay is static while increments in place is utter bollox.. if they are being paid more.. then lets admit they are being paid and factor it in.. thats the problem with Ireland.. utter denial about everything.. and that was what I took as the main point of Suds and others musings.. stop the denial.. this will be painful..
When the numbers of '10 cars being sold increases.. then you need to wonder.. the pain hasn't quiet set in yet.0 -
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