100 euro fine for 2 euro ticket!

Seloth

Just had to get this out of my system as its keeping me up and I'm quite pissy about it,

So after being quite sick for the past few previous days,I did not travel back tl College till today,only being in my third week..

So on the way into Cork city where I was to get a bus up to limerick my mother asks if its ok if I take the train for the rest of the journey as she was running late for work so I said no problem.So I'm dropped off at the platform,in which the last time I had gotten on there was in march and for the year before that, it had no ticket machine so naturally I assumed it still didn't have it.

So happily I hope on the onto the train,which arrived just as I cross the bridge over the track,and upon entering the train I see the "REVENUE PROTECTION UNIT" a.k.a. the ticketman standing by the entrance,and to my knowledge I was going to purchase my two euro ticket into the city when he was to walk up and down inspecting.

So quickly he approaches me,asking for my ticket,and I say "Could I have a ticket into town please"and to which he replies "We don't sell tickets on the train any more,You should have gotten it at the station!".I explain to him that when ever I/ve gotten on the platform there had been no machine to which he stated there had been for 5 months,with signs even explain there was a ticket machine...Now wait,5 months ago it was March and I had gotten the train from there on my way into school,to which there never was a machine,let alone signs which would have lasted 5 months.

So there he goes taking down my details,after I explain to him I had all intention to pay for my ticket,but no he had none of it.Meanwhile an Asian tourist and two 13-14 year old scobes where snickering away,and at the thought right so,a 100 euro fine for not paying a two euro fare!,WTF! is that fecking about!And too add insult to injury the fare is added to the fine so its now a 102 euro fine ><.

I dont care about what party is incharge of the government,why the **** do we have a system where any person should have to pay somthing 500% more expensive for the original price as of a mistake,Im just starting out in ****in college,I dont have 100 euro to bloody well throw about over a feckin mistake.I'm oly just after turning 19 a month and I feel like a ole fart saying this but how has Ireland become so feckin impersonal in such a short period,in which I must add wtf is with the PC!Your a ticketman..Not a revenue protection unit..Are you a guard,soldier,securityguard,merc?No your not...do you have a gun?No,well of course not your not protecting anything!,You may claim to no longer sell tickets((Which I know you bloody well do!))but you still check them on a mode of transport so your a bloody ticketman!..or sorry Ticketperson you have to say these days ><((There are some decent people working on the trians,but the majority...Your all moody,moping basterds!)).

Paying a 100 euro fine for a semi-state company that hires rude arseholes,working on a transport system which is always late,dirty and overpriced((from my actual home town its 6 euro return once you turn 16..what teen let alone many adults can afford that everyso often!)) honestly makes me feel sick!.**** you iarnrod eireann...**** you!

Pdfile

Real criminals don't get caught :cool:

Seloth

Pdfile wrote: »

Real criminals don't get caught :cool:

lol fudge you I'm innocent .

What annoys me is I had the two euro ready to give to the guy ><

Oranage2

Why didnt you just give a fake name and address?

Seloth

They ask for ID and I get the train evey weekend when Im at home anyway so there would be no chance of getting away.Also again I assumed as I did nothing wrong I must jsut get a warning,,but no I get this :mad:

KevinVonSpiel

Oranage2 wrote: »

Why didnt you just give a fake name and address?

Stop giving away the tricks of the trade.

MrStuffins

Seloth wrote: »

They ask for ID and I get the train evey weekend when Im at home anyway so there would be no chance of getting away.Also again I assumed as I did nothing wrong I must jsut get a warning,,but no I get this :mad:

So what if you say "I don't carry ID".

I mean, if you don't have €2 for a ticket, what makes him think you have a wallet with ID?

Chaotic_Forces

So... you wander into a train station, not ask the employee if the policy of paying has changed in two years and are pissed off that you didn't ask?

Seloth

MrStuffins wrote: »

So what if you say "I don't carry ID".

I mean, if you don't have €2 for a ticket, what makes him think you have a wallet with ID?

I did have the money,But I'm guessing you mena if he thought I didnt...Well bleh tbh I'm a honest person((Which I know I'll get some stig for saying that here)).

Seloth

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

So... you wander into a train station, not ask the employee if the policy of paying has changed in two years and are pissed off that you didn't ask?

It was a platform...not a station,theres not even an office,jsut a small inlet for the rain and no I expected to pay,but on the train,the last time I ahd gotten on in this station was in march,so I didnt expect there to be a ticket machine there if there was none for over a year!

Insect Overlord

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thenightrider

You no they have a high fine to get people to buy tickets if the fine was something small people would not pay and take the chance as the amount of times you would get away with it would out weigh the fine.

Oranage2

To be honest i've never heard of paying on the train in anywhere in ireland.

secondly were you rude to the guy when you explained that last time you bought the ticket on the train? (although some of these guys it wouldnt matter how nice you were)

You should have said you had no id and give a fake name or atleast argued with him till the next stop and just get off the train.

jd007

If anyone's thinking they should read it all............don't bother.

Chaotic_Forces

Seloth wrote: »

I did have the money,But I'm guessing you mena if he thought I didnt...Well bleh tbh I'm a honest person((Which I know I'll get some stig for saying that here)).

You said you hoped onto the train. Try and explain/try harder next time (whatever the case is).

On reflection... edit that post, you lied too much in it.

TheZohanS

Seloth wrote: »

Just had to get this out of my system as its keeping me up and I'm quite pissy about it,

So after being quite sick for the past few previous days,I did not travel back tl College till today,only being in my third week..

So on the way into Cork city where I was to get a bus up to limerick my mother asks if its ok if I take the train for the rest of the journey as she was running late for work so I said no problem.So I'm dropped off at the platform,in which the last time I had gotten on there was in march and for the year before that, it had no ticket machine so naturally I assumed it still didn't have it.

So happily I hope on the onto the train,which arrived just as I cross the bridge over the track,and upon entering the train I see the "REVENUE PROTECTION UNIT" a.k.a. the ticketman standing by the entrance,and to my knowledge I was going to purchase my two euro ticket into the city when he was to walk up and down inspecting.

So quickly he approaches me,asking for my ticket,and I say "Could I have a ticket into town please"and to which he replies "We don't sell tickets on the train any more,You should have gotten it at the station!".I explain to him that when ever I/ve gotten on the platform there had been no machine to which he stated there had been for 5 months,with signs even explain there was a ticket machine...Now wait,5 months ago it was March and I had gotten the train from there on my way into school,to which there never was a machine,let alone signs which would have lasted 5 months.

So there he goes taking down my details,after I explain to him I had all intention to pay for my ticket,but no he had none of it.Meanwhile an Asian tourist and two 13-14 year old scobes where snickering away,and at the thought right so,a 100 euro fine for not paying a two euro fare!,WTF! is that fecking about!And too add insult to injury the fare is added to the fine so its now a 102 euro fine ><.

I dont care about what party is incharge of the government,why the **** do we have a system where any person should have to pay somthing 500% more expensive for the original price as of a mistake,Im just starting out in ****in college,I dont have 100 euro to bloody well throw about over a feckin mistake.I'm oly just after turning 19 a month and I feel like a ole fart saying this but how has Ireland become so feckin impersonal in such a short period,in which I must add wtf is with the PC!Your a ticketman..Not a revenue protection unit..Are you a guard,soldier,securityguard,merc?No your not...do you have a gun?No,well of course not your not protecting anything!,You may claim to no longer sell tickets((Which I know you bloody well do!))but you still check them on a mode of transport so your a bloody ticketman!..or sorry Ticketperson you have to say these days ><((There are some decent people working on the trians,but the majority...Your all moody,moping basterds!)).

Paying a 100 euro fine for a semi-state company that hires rude arseholes,working on a transport system which is always late,dirty and overpriced((from my actual home town its 6 euro return once you turn 16..what teen let alone many adults can afford that everyso often!)) honestly makes me feel sick!.**** you iarnrod eireann...**** you!

Appeal the fine, explain things just as you have here but without the xxxx and you@ll be fine. I was on atrain two weeks ago and an old couple said the exacct same as you; we could always pay the fare en-route. They didn't get charged extra, and no fine.

some_dose

Seloth wrote: »

I dont care about what party is incharge of the government,why the **** do we have a system where any person should have to pay somthing 500% more expensive for the original price as of a mistake

Hate to break it to ya OP, but your fine is 5000% more expensive than the ticket

2 euro = 100%
10 euro = 500%
100 euro = 5000%

Handyman1

Oranage2 wrote: »

To be honest i've never heard of paying on the train in anywhere in ireland.
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You SHOULD try getting the first train from limerick to dublin at 5am... the ticket office dont open till 6am so what would you do wait for the next train or just jump on :rolleyes:

its not rocket sceince dude if the train is leaving you jump on... Op i feel your pain please dont be feeling your in the wrong when you hear some of these idiots reply

soz's oranage2.. I didnt read your whole reply-please forgive me

totallytrees

€100 is ridiculous.... sure a speeding fine is cheaper, €80! and that's dangerous driving with the possibility of causing harm to others.

dvpower

You got on to a train without buying a ticket and you got a fine.
Seems like a fair procedure to me.
I bet every fare dodger has some excuse or another. Your's is fair to middleing; write to them to explain, you might be left off (leave out the insults and expletives), but I doubt it.

Rycn

Throw the 2 euro at the thick cunt and tell him to fuck off.

He cant do anything about it.

pickarooney

If you'd read out your post to him I guarantee he would have let you go by the time you'd got half-way through.

dvpower

Rycn wrote: »

Throw the 2 euro at the thick cunt and tell him to fuck off.

He cant do anything about it.

OP, now can you understand why they can be so strict?
This is the type of scumbag behaviour that they have to put up with.

ClutchIt

You ask 'what kind of country charges a fine of 500% the initial fee'.

Answer: Every single one would charge much more.

You were charged 5000% which I believe is a great amount for any fine. You didn't pay your fare and got caught, I'm delighted. If everone paid their fares properly, Iarnród Éireann wouldn't be as totally ****e as it is. Your going to college, grow the fúck up and accept responsibility.

giant_midget

should have given the man a fake name, your not required by law to provide ID to an Irish Rail employee...jobsworths..

Biggins

Rycn wrote: »

Throw the 2 euro at the thick cunt and tell him to fuck off.
He cant do anything about it.

...Except having your name and address, have you charged with technical assault or breach of the peace as well?

Do we really think we can just always throw stuff at others and get away with it?

General Zod

dvpower wrote: »

You got on to a train without buying a ticket and you got a fine.

you do realise that for decades in Ireland you were able to get on a train without a ticket and pay for your ticket on the train?

in fact, that up until very recently you could to the very same on the very route the OP is talking about, and that you can still do this on alot of routes that don't have automated tellers?

Procasinator

Take it to a higher up and complain that you used to have to pay for the train on the actual train.

It's not a silly assumption for you to have made, despite various signs and such. If a ticket is required beforehand, they should have barriers accepting tickets (especially after changing policy). You had no reason to believe things had changed. When the change happened doesn't matter, because it was the first time you had travelled after.

Pay your fare. Don't pay the fine (which is ridiculously high).

dvpower

General Zod wrote: »

you do realise that for decades in Ireland you were able to get on a train without a ticket and pay for your ticket on the train?

in fact, that up until very recently you could to the very same on the very route the OP is talking about, and that you can still do this on alot of routes that don't have automated tellers?

I realise that. On this particular route there is a requirement that you buy a ticket up front.

I like public transport that operates on a trust system; no barriers, little ot no checking; people are treated like adults. The flip side of these systems is that if you either try and get away with your fare or dont pay it when you're suppossed to, you get a fine. Its really very simple.

Procasinator

ClutchIt wrote: »

You ask 'what kind of country charges a fine of 500% the initial fee'.

Answer: Every single one would charge much more.

You were charged 5000% which I believe is a great amount for any fine. You didn't pay your fare and got caught, I'm delighted. If everone paid their fares properly, Iarnród Éireann wouldn't be as totally ****e as it is. Your going to college, grow the fúck up and accept responsibility.

So a company changes their policy, and he is just meant to know?

If Iarnród Éireann ran more efficiently, had good customer service and clear policies they wouldn't be totally ****e.

ILA

In fairness to the ticket inspector, he probably gets that excuse dozens of times a day. Everyone always "meant to get a ticket", and there's probably also an element of getting a catch making him look better and more efficient to his employers, so I can see why they don't sell tickets on the train as it defeats the purpose of having Inspectors and fines.

The public transport system is crap in this country, pretty below par with other countries, however whatever system you go on you'll have to get a ticket somewhere. They have offices, ticket machines and online booking facilities so its almost difficult not to buy a ticket.

Also Iarnrod Eireann are way over priced, and I never use them. If there's an alternative bus, tram or whatever, then I'd take advantage of that and their lower fares.

Quazzie

You deserve the fine for giving him your real name.

Theres a Mr. Mike Hunt somewhere that owes a lot of money to such people.

dvpower

Procasinator wrote: »

So a company changes their policy, and he is just meant to know?

I doubt very much if Irish Rail ever had a policy that said you could get on a train at a station that has ticket facilities (Cork) and buy the ticket on board.

More likely that there are other stations on the route that didn't have ticket facilities and a practice of allowing all passengers pay for their tickets on board evolved.

Lapin

Seloth wrote: »

So I'm dropped off at the platform,in which the last time I had gotten on there was in march and for the year before that, it had no ticket machine so naturally I assumed it still didn't have it.

Seloth wrote: »

They ask for ID and I get the train evey weekend when Im at home anyway so there would be no chance of getting away.

Anyone else smell pork pies ?

Quazzie

Lapin wrote: »

Anyone else smell pork pies ?

No, the cops weren't called.

kylith

I sometimes get the Dublin-Waterford train. Previously people getting on in Carlow, I think it was, bought tickets on the train. They've changed that in the last 6 months or so though.

davetherave

Your a ticketman..Not a revenue protection unit..Are you a guard,soldier,securityguard,merc?No your not...do you have a gun?No,well of course not your not protecting anything!

Revenue Protection Unit

I would have thought it was a bit obvious given his job title... He is protecting IR's revenue from fare-dodgers

You assumed that there was no ticket machine, and, to assume is to make an ass out of you and me. :rolleyes:

Procasinator

dvpower wrote: »

I doubt very much if Irish Rail ever had a policy that said you could get on a train at a station that has ticket facilities (Cork) and buy the ticket on board.

More likely that there are other stations on the route that didn't have ticket facilities and a practice of allowing all passengers pay for their tickets on board evolved.

I might of misused to the word policy, but the point still stands. If before he could buy the ticket on-board at that station, there was no particular reason for him to believe this wasn't still the case.

Signs and machines are irrelevant, as he wouldn't have had a reason to look for them.

He knows now, so if he re-offended (and they have his details to check), they can fine him.

Aidric

Handyman1 wrote: »

You SHOULD try getting the first train from limerick to dublin at 5am... the ticket office dont open till 6am so what would you do wait for the next train or just jump on :rolleyes:

Eh, you can buy a ticket online and then collect it from one of the automatic teller machines.

Procasinator

Lapin wrote: »

Anyone else smell pork pies ?

Not really, I smell a student (which was clearly specified) whose travelling patterns are largely influenced by the academic calendar of their institution.

dvpower

Procasinator wrote: »

Signs and machines are irrelevant, as he wouldn't have had a reason to look for them.

Perhaps they should have called out to each of their customer's homes and sat them down to explain the rules:rolleyes:

Procasinator wrote: »

He knows now, so if he re-offended (and they have his details to check), they can fine him.

Everyone gets a free fare dodge once?

Here's what I do each time I use public transport.
1. Attempt to buy a ticket in advance
2. If there are no facilities to buy a ticket, pay my fare on the other end.

Its a really simple system; everyone should try it.

Procasinator

dvpower wrote: »

Perhaps they should have called out to each of their customer's homes and sat them down to explain the rules:rolleyes:

No, but if you change the game half-way through, don't expect everyone too know.

It's quite simple.

Holysock

They'll fine you even if you're not technically caught, when you go up to the ticket office to pay at the other end.

Seloth

Lapin wrote: »

Anyone else smell pork pies ?

Lol dude I get on a train 5 stops before that usually,but on the way into the city my mother realised the time so I got dropped off there.

But yeah I know about the appeal so all should be well .But still 100 euro is fairly harsh

entropi

kylith wrote: »

I sometimes get the Dublin-Waterford train. Previously people getting on in Carlow, I think it was, bought tickets on the train. They've changed that in the last 6 months or so though.

I get this train twice daily from Dublin to Carlow for college, and the guy who checks tickets always has a pack/side pouch with loads of tickets in it...I'd say he allows people to buy them on board, but one guy sitting behind me got fined last week because apparently he didnt have the right date on his ticket :rolleyes:

Irish public transport really is vastly overpriced, and the bus system especially is shoddy and buses never leave/arrive on time anywhere

Liam Byrne

some_dose wrote: »

Hate to break it to ya OP, but your fine is 5000% more expensive than the ticket

2 euro = 100%
10 euro = 500%
100 euro = 5000%

Nope, it's 4900% "more expensive" than the ticket.

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ShamoBuc

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Nope, it's 4900% "more expensive" than the ticket.

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Not sure you are right...
Didn't he have to pay 100 PLUS the price of the ticket = 102

gizmo

As a matter of interest OP, if you had arrived at your destination and the inspector hadn't come around selling tickets, would you have still made a point to go looking for one?

Rycn

Biggins wrote: »

...Except having your name and address, have you charged with technical assault or breach of the peace as well?

Do we really think we can just always throw stuff at others and get away with it?

What if he misses him and he picks it up?

:pac:

mickydoomsux

Master of Nothing wrote: »

I get this train twice daily from Dublin to Carlow for college, and the guy who checks tickets always has a pack/side pouch with loads of tickets in it...I'd say he allows people to buy them on board, but one guy sitting behind me got fined last week because apparently he didnt have the right date on his ticket :rolleyes:

IE employee here.

There is a difference between the guy with the portable ticket machine (he's a "Ticket Checker" by job title) and the RPU guys.

The checker is on a specific train for its whole trip and his job is to check that everyone has a valid ticket and sell them one if they don't, he doesn't issue fines any more.

The RPU units are usually a team of two guys who get on and off of trains at various stops and check to see if everyone has a valid ticket and issues fines if they don't. They won't listen to excuses because, like the TV license guy, they've heard them all.

It's always been the policy of IE that passengers should have a valid ticket when they board a service if they are boarding at a station that has ticketing facilities or they run the risk of being fined. This is outlined in the Passengers Charter and is usually posted up in most stations.

The OP could try to appeal their fine as they have nothing to lose by doing so but i wouldn't be too hopeful.

call the police

Lapin wrote: »

Anyone else smell pork pies ?

Seloth wrote: »

They ask for ID and I get the train evey weekend when Im at home anyway so there would be no chance of getting away.Also again I assumed as I did nothing wrong I must jsut get a warning,,but no I get this :mad:

you assumed you did nothing wrong, you travel every weekend and you don't know you can't buy tickets on the train any more
did you buy a ticket every weekend ?