Nuisance neighbours...

um7y1h83ge06nx

It's a very sh*tty situation to be in.

Back home, there was a family re-located there and they caused absolute havoc, complete scumbags.

Eventually they had to move.

The reason? Unofficially they received warnings from our local TD and some of his friends that have even more experience than them in causing death and destruction over the years, that they had to leave the area or face consequences.

Pity we don't have politicians like that in Limerick, instead we have tree-huggers.

Everything they left behind was torched when they left to prevent them from coming back, including the house.

NOTE: I'm not endorsing this, just stating that it happened.

Raiser

christmasinjuly wrote: »

not all people from the regeneration areas are bad/scumbags.....:mad:

Agreed.

In fairness the focus should be on mechanisms to deal with exactly the sort of People who are just cynically taking advantage and blackening the good name of all of the majority of decent Folks.

molard

bonzer1again wrote: »

who do you contact if you want to find out who the landlord is?

land registration web page.cost 70e approx.try limerick city council first.

molard

Raiser wrote: »

Agreed.

In fairness the focus should be on mechanisms to deal with exactly the sort of People who are just cynically taking advantage and blackening the good name of all of the majority of decent Folks.

agree

Raiser

Paula Numerous Beggar wrote: »

It's a very sh*tty situation to be in.

Back home, there was a family re-located there and they caused absolute havoc, complete scumbags.

Eventually they had to move.

The reason? Unofficially they received warnings from our local TD and some of his friends that have even more experience than them in causing death and destruction over the years, that they had to leave the area or face consequences.

Pity we don't have politicians like that in Limerick, instead we have tree-huggers.

Everything they left behind was torched when they left to prevent them from coming back, including the house.

NOTE: I'm not endorsing this, just stating that it happened.

We have Sinn Fein in Limerick too - Willie O'Dea even built them a new Treehouse recently to hang out in.

- Pity they didn't torch Willie's haunts when he went into hiding that time though...... He's back with a vengeance and is more ridiculous and painful than ever.

* Edit to add that I'm not pro-SF in any way, they irritate me just as much as the rest of the Political Establishment but with a dose of Kidnapping Housewives etc thrown in......

um7y1h83ge06nx

Raiser wrote: »

We have Sinn Fein in Limerick too - Willie O'Dea even built them a new Treehouse recently to hang out in.

- Pity they didn't torch Willie's haunts when he went into hiding that time though...... He's back with a vengeance and is more ridiculous and painful than ever.

* Edit to add that I'm not pro-SF in any way, they irritate me just as much as the rest of the Political Establishment but with a dose of Kidnapping Housewives etc thrown in......

ha ha!

I'm not really pro-SF either but at least they have never caused me any hassle, I'd take them over some of the scumbags in this city.

It was only pure luck that things got sorted out back home. Only a few years ago the area was moved from the West Limerick constituency to my side of the river, the North Kerry constituency. Good luck for the majority, bad luck for one family.

Pretty terrible that things had to come to that though/

EDIT: Getting back on topic, there isn't a hell of a lot the poor OP and their parents can do other than go down the standard routes. I wish you the best of luck, no-one here would like to be in that situation and it could happen to any of us.

limklad

bonzer1again wrote: »

My parents live in a mature estate in Limerick city where most of the residents are retired now...last year one of the houses on the street was bought by either the council or the HSE and new people moved in....Fair enough.
Since they have moved in...the gardai have been on my parents street at least six times dealing with drunk and disorderly behaviour, fighting and even the drugs squad...doing a search of said house.....

I'm looking for advice in trying to get these people OUT....any advice would be welcome but please limit the advice to things that can be done legally.....

You need to talk to TD's and keep hammering them all abut the issue. Get all the neighbours in the Constituency offices of each TD too highlight the problem. If they do not relent them Protest out side the TD's and HSE or Council Mayor homes, councillors, county manager at night time for over a week at each house to highlight the issues. Make sure you play recorded sound that you are bombarded with and play it back in high volume. Call the Media to highlight the protest. I like to see the Guards trying to arrest old age pensioners for breaching the peace. It will send a very strong message to who ever put these reckless people into quiet communities.

limklad

Kess73 wrote: »

Only works if the landlord is not declaring his income though. A landlord can be declaring his income and paying taxes on it and not be registered with the PRTB.

Non registered rented accommodation with PRTB carries a fine or imprisonment

PTRB wrote:

http://www.prtb.ie/landlord_pubregfaq.htm#lq18
The registration of a tenancy is a legal requirement on the landlord. Landlords failing to register a tenancy may be guilty of an offence and upon conviction shall be liable for a fine of up to €3,000 and/or up to 6 months in prison, along with a daily fine of €250 for a continuing offence.

Published Register
http://www.prtb.ie/pubregister.htm Data last extracted was 31th July

AOwannabe

Interesting article in the Limerick Leader about Castletroy residents protesting against plans by Limerick County Council to buy some houses in their estate.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/Anger-at-Limerick-County-Council.6537960.jp

According to the director of housing their policy of buying up houses for re-settlement is going very well:

"I am quite prepared to sit down with local people and address any concerns they might have," continued Mr Feane. "We did that very successfully in the southern environs. If you asked anybody we met from concerned local residents associations in the southern environs two years ago what their feelings are now I think they will confirm that everything we told them is true and that none of their concerns were realised".

jbkenn

I'm not really pro-SF either but at least they have never caused me any hassle, I'd take them over some of the scumbags in this city.

It was only pure luck that things got sorted out back home. Only a few years ago the area was moved from the West Limerick constituency to my side of the river, the North Kerry constituency. Good luck for the majority, bad luck for one family.

Are you for real?????, a major convicted criminal, who just happened to elected a T.D. by the dumb ass voters of North Kerry, with the backing of the biggest criminal organisation in the country, going the heavy on a minor criminal, is a cause for celebration???, what happens when, and not if, that major criminal decides to return to his past ways, who do the people of North Kerry who voted for this criminal turn to then?

Wake up and smell the coffee.

jbkenn

Millie

bonzer1again wrote: »

who do you contact if you want to find out who the landlord is?

I was/am in the same situation as your parent...hell!
I contacted the PRTB and they stated that if I felt I was under threat then to put a letter together to them and they would decide if they would release the LL's name and address.
They gave me his details and I have been battling with the f*cker since!

I have issued him with solicitor's letters, spoken (in fact cried) in front of his wife and they have promised that it wouldn't happen again.
The thing is I don't trust them as I put down 2yrs of hell between anti social behaviour and drug dealing.

When it comes to cold cash, greed takes over and having a moral and social conscience (sp?) goes out the window.

phill106

Millie wrote: »

I was/am in the same situation as your parent...hell!
I contacted the PRTB and they stated that if I felt I was under threat then to put a letter together to them and they would decide if they would release the LL's name and address.
They gave me his details and I have been battling with the f*cker since!

I have issued him with solicitor's letters, spoken (in fact cried) in front of his wife and they have promised that it wouldn't happen again.
The thing is I don't trust them as I put down 2yrs of hell between anti social behaviour and drug dealing.

When it comes to cold cash, greed takes over and having a moral and social conscience (sp?) goes out the window.

Keep phoning the landlord day or night if there is a problem. Especially at night. Keep phone logs. IF you are a hassle to the landlord, they will have to eventually act.

bonzer1again

Originally Posted by PTRB
http://www.prtb.ie/landlord_pubregfaq.htm#lq18
The registration of a tenancy is a legal requirement on the landlord. Landlords failing to register a tenancy may be guilty of an offence and upon conviction shall be liable for a fine of up to €3,000 and/or up to 6 months in prison, along with a daily fine of €250 for a continuing offence.

Published Register
http://www.prtb.ie/pubregister.htm Data last extracted was 31th July

Thanks...those links helped a bit.

bonzer1again

I'll be giving this a try I think....

24-hour ASBO hotline launched in Limerick city

New 24 hour ASBO helpline
A NEW 24 hour anti-social behaviour hotline was launched this Tuesday at city hall to help social housing tenants make confidential complaints without putting themselves or their families at risk. Director of Services Kieran Lehane made the announcement at a special sitting of the Housing Strategic Policy Committee (SPC) in response to legislation requiring local authorities to take action against anti-social behaviour before the end of November.

Fine Gael councillor Ger Fahy said the vetting procedure for council tenants has been successful, but the problem remained of how to deal with anti-social tenants in private properties.

"We have to come down strongly on unscrupulous landlords and hold them responsible. Tenants who do not qualify for social housing are still subsidised by the HSE, which gives them accommodation without reprisals. A deterrent should be introduced. If a family is found guilty of anti-social behaviour, their HSE rent subsidy should be withdrawn. The HSE should have the power to remove them. People in Boston know the consequences and can be removed from their housing over anti-social behaviour," he said.

Sinn Féin councillor Maurice Quinlivan commended the new phoneline and added to calls for action to be taken against anti-social tenants.

"There needs to be a sanction that if people misbehave, we can chuck them out. I hope there is some way we can actually evict criminals from their houses," he said.

Labour councillor Joe Leddin said the power to grant or deny rent allowance should be transferred to city hall.

"Limerick city council should have power over rent subsidies, not the HSE. I'd say they'd be delighted to have it taken off them," he said.
Mr Lehane said that Limerick City Council gets an average of 250 anti-social behaviour complaints a year, with most resolved informally but some taken to court.

"I think the HSE is aware of the problems, but the HSE rent supplement is an income supplement. Our emphasis will be on preventative measures. A test case in the Supreme Court will have a bearing on how future anti-social behaviour cases are decided," he said.

Complaints to the anti-social phone line will be recorded and should include a description of the incident, listing the location, date and time of the incident, along with the name and address of the offender or any other identifying details.

Limerick City Council will also be publishing a web page on anti-social behaviour in the coming weeks to further inform residents on what action can be taken.

The Housing SPC is inviting submissions from the joint policing committee, Gardaí, the HSE and the LImerick Regeneration Agency for the formation of an ASBO strategy before the committee reconvenes in September.

The new hotline number is 1800 283 064

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Millie

Very interesting but is that hotline for people in Social housing or can HSE anti social vermin be reported on this line also??

flutered

jbkenn wrote: »

Are you for real?????, a major convicted criminal, who just happened to elected a T.D. by the dumb ass voters of North Kerry, with the backing of the biggest criminal organisation in the country, going the heavy on a minor criminal, is a cause for celebration???, what happens when, and not if, that major criminal decides to return to his past ways, who do the people of North Kerry who voted for this criminal turn to then?

Wake up and smell the coffee.

jbkenn

john one has to do what one has to do, i had to do some thing similar a few years back, if they were planted next door to you methinks that you would have a different grin on your face.

Kess73

limklad wrote: »

Non registered rented accommodation with PRTB carries a fine or imprisonment

Any idea how accurate their website is in terms of the houses listed as being registered on it?


I checked the address of the house that is causing problems for my mother's friend, and it is not listed on the PRTB list for the area.

um7y1h83ge06nx

jbkenn wrote: »

Are you for real?????, a major convicted criminal, who just happened to elected a T.D. by the dumb ass voters of North Kerry, with the backing of the biggest criminal organisation in the country, going the heavy on a minor criminal, is a cause for celebration???, what happens when, and not if, that major criminal decides to return to his past ways, who do the people of North Kerry who voted for this criminal turn to then?

Wake up and smell the coffee.

jbkenn

I completely agree that he is a major convicted criminal:

Ferris served ten years (1984-1994) in prison for his involvement in the attempted importation of arms from the United States. In September 1984, the fishing vessel Valhalla, sailed from Boston, while the trawler Marita Ann, sailed from Fenit, County Kerry. In the mid-Atlantic, seven tons of explosives, arms and ammunition were transferred from the Valhalla to the Marita Ann. Sometime afterwards, the Irish Navy vessels LÉ Emer and LÉ Aisling along with members of the Garda Síochána detained the Marita Ann and arrested its crew. Ferris was convicted for the possession of explosive substances for unlawful purpose and for possession of firearms and ammunition with intent to endanger life. He served his sentence in the maximum-security Portlaoise Prison, a prison often used to hold Irish Republican political prisoners.

In February 2005 Irish Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform Michael McDowell, named Ferris, as well as Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness, as members of the IRA Army Council.

The thing is I would much prefer him living in my area than some of the criminals in this city.

Certain parts of the country have been ignored by our government, particularly when it comes to the enforcement of law and order. Rural areas such as North Kerry have been ignored for decades, Limerick now appears to be unfortunately joining this list.

I know a lot of elderly people back home that keep loaded weapons beside them at night and they are adamant when asked that they will use them if needed. People are afraid, like the OP's parents. It is very easy then for people to turn machiavellian, the end justifies the means.

I have never voted for Ferris, I don't believe in many of the things he has done in his lifetime and politically I'm more right-wing rather than left-wing. However, and this sounds brutally machiavellian but Ferris has never terrorised his own people (apart from other criminals) of North Kerry (although if McDowell's allegations are correct he terrorised many other people). The same cannot be said for the criminals of this city who would drag Limerick and it's people in the gutter given half a chance.

The solution? When your back is to the wall, you're filled with fear, and scumbags are bringing your life down around you, any solution is a good solution, whether it comes from An Gardaí, left-wing paramilitaries, right-wing paramilitaries or any other avenue. That is what fear will do to people.

langdang

Paula Numerous Beggar wrote: »

However, and this sounds brutally machiavellian but Ferris has never terrorised his own people (apart from other criminals) of North Kerry (although if McDowell's allegations are correct he terrorised many other people).

hmmm, doubt you would have like to have been escorting cash-in-transit in west limerick or north kerry back in the day...

Raiser

In fairness he is a Victim of Peer Pressure.

- When all your Mates want to blow up Mums with Buggies and Kids holding Balloons it can be hard for the likes of this to say "no"..... "no I won't run in high explosives and put it in Rubbish Bins to kill, maim and destroy innocent Irish People"

Gerry Adams seems to have gotten off very lightly from the whole Jean McConville revelations - But then again the typical SF'er is a World Champion of overlooking the negative side of just about everything in favour of the misty-eyed dreams and fcuked up ethics of verse 17 of their favourite RA Song.

um7y1h83ge06nx

I'm just saying what fear will drive people to, they just want to live in peace whatever it takes. I don't blame anyone from the Caherconnell area of Abbeyfeale for doing whatever they did.

Of course Limerick's crime families are darlings, god bless them.

And I wouldn't consider myself a supporter of SF at all. My right-wing political views wouldn't exactly endear myself to them and I'd probably be dis-owned by both sides of my family. My grandparent's generation if they rose from the dead would probably put me in front of a firing squad.

Anywhere I'm dragging this off topic so I'm out of here...

limklad

Kess73 wrote: »

Any idea how accurate their website is in terms of the houses listed as being registered on it?


I checked the address of the house that is causing problems for my mother's friend, and it is not listed on the PRTB list for the area.

A House Across the way from me was originally owners, they put it up for sale, got no viewers, then decided to rent it out This July. It is up there on PRTB today.

Are you sure it is rented? HSE or Council may have brought it.

Kess73

limklad wrote: »

A House Across the way from me was originally owners, they put it up for sale, got no viewers, then decided to rent it out This July. It is up there on PRTB today.

Are you sure it is rented? HSE or Council may have brought it.

100% on it being rented as those affected have spoken with the landlord on a number of occasions over the last few years, with the most recent time being a few days ago. I know who the landlord is myself, as he has more than one property in the area.


From what I heard about an hour ago though, it would seem like a complaint made by a different set of neighbours who live further up the same street has forced action to be taken.

jbkenn

Paula Numerous Beggar wrote: »

I completely agree that he is a major convicted criminal:





The thing is I would much prefer him living in my area than some of the criminals in this city.

Certain parts of the country have been ignored by our government, particularly when it comes to the enforcement of law and order. Rural areas such as North Kerry have been ignored for decades, Limerick now appears to be unfortunately joining this list.

I know a lot of elderly people back home that keep loaded weapons beside them at night and they are adamant when asked that they will use them if needed. People are afraid, like the OP's parents. It is very easy then for people to turn machiavellian, the end justifies the means.

I have never voted for Ferris, I don't believe in many of the things he has done in his lifetime and politically I'm more right-wing rather than left-wing. However, and this sounds brutally machiavellian but Ferris has never terrorised his own people (apart from other criminals) of North Kerry (although if McDowell's allegations are correct he terrorised many other people). The same cannot be said for the criminals of this city who would drag Limerick and it's people in the gutter given half a chance.

The solution? When your back is to the wall, you're filled with fear, and scumbags are bringing your life down around you, any solution is a good solution, whether it comes from An Gardaí, left-wing paramilitaries, right-wing paramilitaries or any other avenue. That is what fear will do to people.

Unfortunately, you lie with dogs, you get up with fleas, fact.

jbkenn