RTE's Ireland's greatest person

McDougal · 23-10-2010 5:06pm

Michael Collins

Coleyoscar wrote: »

The Blueshirts were not founded until ten years after Michael Collins was killed. To call Michael Collins a 'Blueshirt' is a bit like calling Daniel O'Connell a Progressive Democrat.

Don't be ridiculous

Collins was the leader of the pro-treaty Sinn Fein which became C na G/FG. Don't Forget O'Duffy was a Collins loyalist too.

What are the links between Daniel O'Connell and the PDs?

Falcon Crest · 23-10-2010 5:14pm

Mary Robinson

Surprised Michael Collins didn't win and surprised how wrong the AH poll was...ah well.

Cavehill Red · 23-10-2010 5:19pm

James Connolly

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Interesting that the boards poll was wrong

Testimony to the over-representation of Shinners online, I suspect.

Nodin · 23-10-2010 5:27pm

Michael Collins

You have to be Sinn Fein to vote for Collins now?

Tell me more......

Wolfe Tone · 23-10-2010 5:29pm

Michael Collins

SF voting for Collins? LOLOL

Cavehill Red · 23-10-2010 5:31pm

James Connolly

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

SF voting for Collins? LOLOL

Over the other options? For sure.
In any case, it does appear that the Irish nation as a whole differ in opinion from the inhabitants of AH. That says plenty to me about how representative opinions in here are.

Bigtoe107 · 23-10-2010 5:40pm

It's a Disgrace that Arther Griffith wasn't even mentioned tbh

Wolfe Tone · 23-10-2010 5:46pm

Michael Collins

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Over the other options? For sure.
In any case, it does appear that the Irish nation as a whole differ in opinion from the inhabitants of AH. That says plenty to me about how representative opinions in here are.

Yes, thats right, SF people will all vote for the man who separated this country, then got Brit help to shell his mates.

Cavehill Red · 23-10-2010 5:50pm

James Connolly

civichead wrote: »

It's a Disgrace that Arther Griffith wasn't even mentioned tbh

How many rising members do you want? They made up 40% of the final list, ffs.
The nation didn't begin and end in 1916. Like the OP, I'm saddened that the very many Irish nobel prize winners, inventors, explorers and medics didn't get a look in, while a singer and a president who quit did.

Nodin · 23-10-2010 5:52pm

Michael Collins

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Over the other options? For sure.
In any case, it does appear that the Irish nation as a whole differ in opinion from the inhabitants of AH. That says plenty to me about how representative opinions in here are.

So SF will vote for Collins over Connolly.....

And the AH crowd are wildly different from the rest of the country despite the fact that Collins came second in the actual poll ......

Cavehill Red · 23-10-2010 5:55pm

James Connolly

Nodin wrote: »

So SF will vote for Collins over Connolly.....

And the AH crowd are wildly different from the rest of the country despite the fact that Collins came second in the actual poll ......

They're wildly different because Hume came fourth here and won the real vote.

Bigtoe107 · 23-10-2010 5:57pm

Cavehill Red wrote: »

How many rising members do you want? They made up 40% of the final list, ffs.
The nation didn't begin and end in 1916. Like the OP, I'm saddened that the very many Irish nobel prize winners, inventors, explorers and medics didn't get a look in, while a singer and a president who quit did.

Griffith wasn't a rising member, he actually fought for home rule and was the second signatory on the treaty. He would be on my list ahead of Connelly, Robinson and Bono; and yeah Robert Boyle should be on the list along with Parnell.

K-9 · 23-10-2010 6:00pm

Cavehill Red wrote: »

They're wildly different because Hume came fourth here and won the real vote.

Probably alot of Republicans and Pinkos voting!

Nodin · 23-10-2010 6:02pm

Michael Collins

Cavehill Red wrote: »

They're wildly different because Hume came fourth here and won the real vote.

And how do you know that Hume winning isn't the result of a distortion with regards to voting on the late late.....?

Cavehill Red · 23-10-2010 6:07pm

James Connolly

Nodin wrote: »

And how do you know that Hume winning isn't the result of a distortion with regards to voting on the late late.....?

CT forum ======================>

Nodin · 23-10-2010 6:13pm

Michael Collins

Cavehill Red wrote: »

CT forum ======================>

Doesn't require a conspiracy
You stated

In any case, it does appear that the Irish nation as a whole differ in opinion from the inhabitants of AH. That says plenty to me about how representative opinions in here are.

How do you know that the ones who voted for hume were any more representative of "the Irish nation as a whole"? This wasn't conducted as a referendum, you know....

Cavehill Red · 23-10-2010 6:14pm

James Connolly

Nodin wrote: »

Doesn't require a conspiracy
You stated

How do you know that the ones who voted for hume were any more representative of "the Irish nation as a whole"? This wasn't conducted as a referendum, you know....

Statistics 101.
How many people voted here?
How many people voted in the actual poll?
Which therefore is more representative?

McDougal · 23-10-2010 6:28pm

Michael Collins

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Over the other options? For sure.
In any case, it does appear that the Irish nation as a whole differ in opinion from the inhabitants of AH. That says plenty to me about how representative opinions in here are.

Of course the provos voted for Collins. He was a right wing sellout who eventually fell in love with the brits and was seduced by the potential trappings of office.

civichead wrote: »

It's a Disgrace that Arther Griffith wasn't even mentioned tbh

Why? The provos also support the idea of dual monarchy now do they? Griffith loved the King more than anybody

jumpguy · 23-10-2010 6:32pm

Anyone else think it's a tad disrespectful rounding up all our historical greats and making us choose the greatest of them? I mean, it's making a bit of a charade of their achievements.

They're all great in their own way, comparing Michael Collins and Bono is just ridiculous imo. Asking people to choose between is just even more ridiculous.

Nodin · 23-10-2010 6:38pm

Michael Collins

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Statistics 101.
How many people voted here?
How many people voted in the actual poll?
Which therefore is more representative?

...but unless both groups are - at the outset - a proper cross section of society......

Slideshowbob · 23-10-2010 6:41pm

Falcon Crest wrote: »

Surprised Michael Collins didn't win and surprised how wrong the AH poll was...ah well.

Goes to show how niche boards is really

McDougal · 23-10-2010 6:43pm

Michael Collins

jumpguy wrote: »

Anyone else think it's a tad disrespectful rounding up all our historical greats and making us choose the greatest of them? I mean, it's making a bit of a charade of their achievements.

They're all great in their own way, comparing Michael Collins and Bono is just ridiculous imo. Asking people to choose between is just even more ridiculous.

Any sh1te will be shown on TV if it will get viewers

Cavehill Red · 23-10-2010 6:46pm

James Connolly

Nodin wrote: »

...but unless both groups are - at the outset - a proper cross section of society......

Statistics 102: the law of big numbers. The bigger the sample, the more representative it is.

Nodin · 23-10-2010 6:51pm

Michael Collins

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Statistics 102: the law of big numbers. The bigger the sample, the more representative it is.

Representative sampling is a type of statistical sampling in which a researcher attempts to select individuals which are representative of a larger population. In statistical sampling, people gather data from a small group and try to extrapolate the results to make generalizations about a larger group. Truly representative sampling is extremely hard to accomplish, and researchers may dedicate a great deal of time and funding to getting the most representative sample possible.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-representative-sampling.htm

Slideshowbob · 23-10-2010 6:51pm

Gaybo:

Roll it there Colette

It started on the late late show

There's one for everyone in the audience

Tubs:

Take a sweet from my jar to prove u approve of my mundane questioning

No personal questions please

My family are part of the ff cohort that screwed the economy but I'll act liberal in my economic discussions

Oh and. U like my tweed sports jacket and brown cords

Cavehill Red · 23-10-2010 6:54pm

James Connolly

Nodin wrote: »

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-representative-sampling.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers

In probability theory, the law of large numbers (LLN) is a theorem that describes the result of performing the same experiment a large number of times. According to the law, the average of the results obtained from a large number of trials should be close to the expected value, and will tend to become closer as more trials are performed.

Translation: The more people you poll, the closer to the opinion of the entire populace you get.

Slideshowbob · 23-10-2010 6:58pm

Don't forget the law that states I guess boards voters will tend to be a more geeky younger it savy demographic than ye olde oirish tv phone voter who are capable of remembering past a certain jaundice film about Mick collins

Coleyoscar · 23-10-2010 7:15pm

McDougal wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous

Collins was the leader of the pro-treaty Sinn Fein which became C na G/FG. Don't Forget O'Duffy was a Collins loyalist too.

What are the links between Daniel O'Connell and the PDs?

I think you're missing the point. My argument is that is it ridiculous to say that Michael Collins was a 'Blueshirt'. He wasn't. He couldn't have been. There are groups of people who visit Bodenstown every year and claim Wolfe Tone for their own but it would be daft to say Tone was a 'Provo' or a 'Fianna Failer', for example. I think we should rise above the name calling is all I'm saying.

Nodin · 23-10-2010 7:21pm

Michael Collins

Cavehill Red wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers

Translation: The more people you poll, the closer to the opinion of the entire populace you get.

....but people aren't being polled. RTE ran a few programmes and asked its viewers "what do yez think". Thats rather different from conducting a nationwide poll or referenda.....

Cavehill Red · 23-10-2010 7:29pm

James Connolly

Nodin wrote: »

....but people aren't being polled.

Who do you think voted then, zebras?

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