Petition to save shannon

BOL11

hi guy's
Please sign this petition to save Shannon airport.
http://giveshannonwings.com/index.php

User Friendly

A case of closing the door when the horse has bolted.....

best of luck with the petition.

Battleflag

I'd say more than a petition is needed...

kilburn

dont be negative just sign it

Niall_G

Assuming maintaining Shannon Airport should be above politics, wouldn't this petition get more support if it didn't have political statement in it?

mikemac

Signed

Who are you going to present this to when completed?

Tora Bora

T'will make a grand spot yet, for the boy racers to let off steam:rolleyes:
Them idle runways, would be perfect and our roads would be safer, were it not for the fact that they will probably one big pot hole

the_syco

Could we make it a US military base? They seem to like stopping there, and it'd create some local employment.

dh0661

kilburn wrote: »

dont be negative just sign it

done

NoseyMike2010

Signed ............ There is noooooooooo way the can close Shannon. We'd be lost without it!

el dude

Signed. Is there a facebook page too? Something like that could really get things rolling.

Tora Bora

NoseyMike2010 wrote: »

Signed ............ There is noooooooooo way the can close Shannon. We'd be lost without it!

If airlines decide not to fly in to Shannon ........... it's kaput.

How in God's name does anyone believe that signing a petition is going to in amy miniscule way possible influence the airlines.
We already saw that when Aer Lingus, fckud off to Belfast a few years ago. All the ranting and raving and wailing and weeping and nashing of teeth had no effect whatsoever.
Petition my arse:eek:

Battleflag

kilburn wrote: »

dont be negative just sign it

Not being negative, being realistic

Triangla

Not signing. It's a business, improve it to the stage that it's viable or shut it down.

kilburn

Really surprised at some of the negative comments here, the airport is being run into the ground by the DAA so it can pay for Terminal 2 thats the state of play its up to the people to speak up

Nevermind_

Triangla wrote: »

Not signing. It's a business, improve it to the stage that it's viable or shut it down.

Its not as if we're talking about a fecking sweet shop here, Its a vital piece of infrastructure for the Mid-West.
Shannon if released from the DAA and the clutches of Unions could thrive but the problem is its not being allowed to compete, the travel tax and the cutting of yet more ryanair services are just two more nails in the coffin.

NoseyMike2010

This needs a serious facebook group set up .......... Opinions and ideas welcome

chucken1

Signed. And while Im here,I think us in the Midwest are the only people who dont seem to constantly whinge on this site about Ryanair. The world DOES NOT revolve around Dublin or the DAA,so would you consider putting this up for a wider audience,not just the Clare forum?Can you tell me,OP,What are you going to do with this petition? AND fingers crossed something will be done before its way too late.:(

kilburn

I am more than willing to run with this in a more proactive way with help.

RichieO

Who will receive this? Will it one of these?

The Shannon Airport Authority?

The Shannon Board of Directors is made up of the following members:

Brian O'Connell (Chairman)
Patrick Blaney
Olivia Loughnane
Ray Gray
Dr Vincent Cunnane
Mary Fitzgerald
Mark Nolan
Joe Buckley
Audrey Costelloe

The Chairman Brian O'Connell will be telling Christy Curtin exactly who is running Shannon Airport (into the ground) in a meeting at Clare County Council, soon?


It is entirely possible that SAA is doing nothing, other than carrying
out the orders of the DAA, where there is another 12 people running the show, (13 if you include Brian O'Connell) yes, he's on both Authorities, might just be a conflict of interest there.

Or maybe it should be given to the minster for transport, if there's a possibility that he gives a rat's ass, what happens to Shannon Airport...

Let's face it, there is no-one (with any clout), that's standing in Shannon's corner, without a powerful knight in shining amour, we are so screwed...

Unless, maybe Michael O'Leary?, sorry, not intended as a sick joke, but that's what it will take, a hard headed businessman with a vested interest in the place...

highlydebased

I'm sorry but I wont be signing it, call me negetive or whatever, but

The DAA dont give a hoot about Shannon. A petition is only going to make them laugh long at hard.

Shannon does not need to be encouraging Ryanair either- they have taken the airport for a ride and now left it with very little, they need to be gotten rid of. O' Leary doesnt do sentiment, thats pretty obvious. So hence he wont care either about a petition.

Comparing Shannon with Beauvais is also an unfair comparision. Talking about two very very different markets completely. While you talk about them generating 600 million after "Ryanair traffic"- the same could be generated from having any other airline fly out of Shannon.

What exactly is this the petition aiming to do? Asking O' Leary to come back and manifest rack and ruin again? A plea to other commercial airlines?

While I know jobs are at risk and lots of money to the economy etc, the damage has been done at this stage. If you feel it would do something work away with this etc but anyway thats just my 2c.

User Friendly

Im not signing it either.

NoseyMike2010

Shame on you!!! :mad::eek:

User Friendly

No Mike.......... shame on Timmy Dooley,killeen,etc who have allowed this to happen...... then again,the People of Clare voted for these people so we are reaping what we sow.

Run_to_da_hills

Dose anyone know where they keep the switch at this airport?

golfball37

Isn't Ray Gray the Director of Finance for the DAA? Why is he on the SAA board?

What a joke of a country we live in?

chucken1

kilburn wrote: »

I am more than willing to run with this in a more proactive way with help.

I'm with you there Kilburn.

shannonman50

As somebody who has lived in Shannon for over 50 years, I think that it is a disgrace what is happening to our airport. Shannon has traditionally been "top heavy" with fat cats who down through the years miked the system. Now that the majority of them have gone, they have been replaced with another lot of "fat cats" called the DAA.
Shannon needs to be free from the clutched of the DAA, it also needs to get rid of Ryanair so that another low cost carrier might take up the routes vacated by them. I don't think that this will happen while Mr. Ruthless O Leary has a presence at Shannon.
All of our local politians need a good bollicking when they come to our doors next time round.
It is a thundering discrace that airports such as Kerry are allowed to operate passenger jet aircraft at the expense of Shannon. I recently flew from Kerry and never again...it is nothing but a shack....
As far as I can tell, the country stops at Newlands Cross.
Whatever Dublin want's Dublin gets and this will not change until Shannon breaks free from the DAA and until we get young proactive people into management in Shannon and market the airport properly.

Shapey Fiend

The DAA are running it into the ground alright. A ton of the flights are going to Kerry airport because they don't have any bull**** charges. If they got rid of those you'd see things bounce back a little bit. At least the war in Iraq doesn't seem to be slowing down. 50k troops over there will keep the place ticking over.

shannonman50

Let's not forget that the stupid travel tax applies to all airports in this country. The biggest difference is that the regional airports such as Kerry are subsidised by the government /EU.
This island is too small for all the airports that we have. Airports other than Dublin, Cork & Shannon should not be only used for light aircraft.

dr.fuzzenstein

shannonman50 wrote: »

As somebody who has lived in Shannon for over 50 years, I think that it is a disgrace what is happening to our airport. Shannon has traditionally been "top heavy" with fat cats who down through the years miked the system. Now that the majority of them have gone, they have been replaced with another lot of "fat cats" called the DAA.
Shannon needs to be free from the clutched of the DAA, it also needs to get rid of Ryanair so that another low cost carrier might take up the routes vacated by them. I don't think that this will happen while Mr. Ruthless O Leary has a presence at Shannon.
All of our local politians need a good bollicking when they come to our doors next time round.
It is a thundering discrace that airports such as Kerry are allowed to operate passenger jet aircraft at the expense of Shannon. I recently flew from Kerry and never again...it is nothing but a shack....
As far as I can tell, the country stops at Newlands Cross.
Whatever Dublin want's Dublin gets and this will not change until Shannon breaks free from the DAA and until we get young proactive people into management in Shannon and market the airport properly.

Like it or not, but you cannot ignore Ryanair and run an airport these days unless you are running a major hub like Heathrow, Paris or Frankfurt (the proper ones).
And Shannon is not even close to that category, so what you're left with is Ryanair or you're running an airfield that is a lawn full of Cessnas.
I know the management in Shannon don't want to deal with Ryanair because they actaully have to get off their asses and work and produce results.
But this is the way of things now, the glory days of being in a state job in the 70's and 80's and being paid vast sums of money for little or no work are over.
It is simply a prestige thing to run an airport like Shannon and thinking how great it is, when in reality all they where doing for 30 years is make money of the cursed forced stopover.
The only way to save Shannon is to get a party into government that is sympathetic to the airport, forcefully break up the link between the DAA and Shannon, fire everyone in the DAA and the SAA for good measure and recruit good people who actually have some credentials not only in the airline and tourism industry, but busniness as well.
Business these days is sink or swim, money talks, etc...
I did sign the petition, of course, since I think that Sannon is vital for the region, but sadly the powers that be want everything for Dublin and we are sadly expendable.
Would you not kill off your own competition in business if you where handed the opportunity?
The DAA would be crazy not to.
Only other way:
Go to the European Court and sue the DAA over anti-competitive practices.

kilburn

If I ever win the euromillions I will buy it, surely they would be glad to offload it. I have great plans for it

Nevermind_

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Like it or not, but you cannot ignore Ryanair and run an airport these days unless you are running a major hub like Heathrow, Paris or Frankfurt (the proper ones).
And Shannon is not even close to that category, so what you're left with is Ryanair or you're running an airfield that is a lawn full of Cessnas.
I know the management in Shannon don't want to deal with Ryanair because they actaully have to get off their asses and work and produce results.
But this is the way of things now, the glory days of being in a state job in the 70's and 80's and being paid vast sums of money for little or no work are over.
It is simply a prestige thing to run an airport like Shannon and thinking how great it is, when in reality all they where doing for 30 years is make money of the cursed forced stopover.
The only way to save Shannon is to get a party into government that is sympathetic to the airport, forcefully break up the link between the DAA and Shannon, fire everyone in the DAA and the SAA for good measure and recruit good people who actually have some credentials not only in the airline and tourism industry, but busniness as well.
Business these days is sink or swim, money talks, etc...
I did sign the petition, of course, since I think that Sannon is vital for the region, but sadly the powers that be want everything for Dublin and we are sadly expendable.
Would you not kill off your own competition in business if you where handed the opportunity?
The DAA would be crazy not to.
Only other way:
Go to the European Court and sue the DAA over anti-competitive practices.

Have to agree with you about Ryanair, like it or not they are realistically the only show in town that could change shannon's fortunes.

And Shannonman50 youre completely doting if you think some other white knight low cost carrier is going to come anywhere near shannon.
Ryanair is our only option right now but the DAA have seen to that...

kilburn

Shannon

Transatlantic 442,147 574,843 746,551 780,917 713,556
Britain 1,062,915 1,139,970 1,253,570 1,286,317 1,162,942
Continental Europe 888,946 1,020,437 1,066,630 816,676 655,831
Other International 869 2,820 507 320 16
Domestic 52,448 96,836 89,034 100,484 95,238
Transit 347,238 334,623 464,331 654,332 674,841

2,794,563 3,169,529 3,620,623 3,639,046 3,302,424

Percentage change -11.8% -12.5% -0.5% +10.2% +37.9%

just released daa 3009 report shannons passenger numbers for last 5 years

crazyguy01

HI BOL11, what will this petition achieve? the government, etc know local people want Shannon saved. Airlines will base their operations on finances not a petition or facebook page. What are your plans for the complete petition whenever you decide it is finished?

MarkR

I've signed, but it does seem pointless. We're not talking bringing back a chocolate bar here, so I don't think an online petition will do much.

What are the intentions of this? To highlight the problems we all know about? We all want Shannon airport to continue and grow, but what till this petition do to facilitate it?

pab_lowe

Say you have a shop. Up the road there is another shop but the owner of that shop is allowed to run your shop until at some time in the future, you both are allowed to compete directly against each other. How much effort is the owner of the other shop going to put into developing your shop.

Sorry to be simplistic, but this is not about ryanair, the military or preserving jobs. This is about removing DAA from the equation while they attempt to pay for the outrageous Terminal 2. If Shannon subsequently fails, its a loss but its a business reality. Shame on the deafening silence from our local TDs. All one could legitimately ask for is the ability to compete and that is not allowed under the DAA regime.

Sign the petition, present it to the local TDs whose only interest is which way the wind is blowing currently. If there is an issue not related to the economy which they can get behind, they may do so.

On a related matter, the issue was raised on Matt Cooper the other night and the contributions from local contributors were weak and uninspiring

Jim Martin

Good item on Clare FM "Morning Focus" this morning, many people responding texting in messages of support!

kilburn

Page 2 of the weekend Limerick Leader not bad !

Claregirl

Signed - Best of Luck

alanmartin

Southwest.com would be an excellent airline for Shannon to chase down.
There has been talk of them in the past.
Amazing hubs in USA, mainlhy in the older, smaller, nkicer and closer to city centre airports (Midway in Chicago, Hobby in Houston), loads of flights to Manchester, New Hampshire which is full of irish-Americans, and Philadelphia.
They are a US domestic low cost airline, excellent service, checked bags free, so may not wish to sign for the Visa Waiver requirements, but as Shannon has US pre-clearance, this isn't an issue (i.e. flying a passenger back who is denied entry to US) as you kjust walk back out of the "US" to Irish soil.

IngazZagni

alanmartin wrote: »

Southwest.com would be an excellent airline for Shannon to chase down.
There has been talk of them in the past.
Amazing hubs in USA, mainlhy in the older, smaller, nkicer and closer to city centre airports (Midway in Chicago, Hobby in Houston), loads of flights to Manchester, New Hampshire which is full of irish-Americans, and Philadelphia.
They are a US domestic low cost airline, excellent service, checked bags free, so may not wish to sign for the Visa Waiver requirements, but as Shannon has US pre-clearance, this isn't an issue (i.e. flying a passenger back who is denied entry to US) as you kjust walk back out of the "US" to Irish soil.

What? Not going to happen this decade anyway. That would be like Ryanair going long haul and yes they want to and may do soon but it's a major transition, no one airport will sway that decision.

Also, something that could really help Shannon (as was mentioned) in the short term is to encourage the U.S Air Force to use it more but of course we'll get the protesters; the same people that usually try to stop any economic development in the Country :rolleyes:

kilburn

Harsh !

branie

I'm signing as well