ex illuminati guy...

af_thefragile

Who was that guy who left illuminati and went around giving interviews and such and then died/got killed or something??

I think I came across this somewhere but can't remember where...

johnnyjb

af_thefragile wrote: »

Who was that guy who left illuminati and went around giving interviews and such and then died/got killed or something??

I think I came across this somewhere but can't remember where...

Aaoron Russo ??

demonspawn

Aaron Russo


Shame it's an Alex Jones piece but just disregard that.

af_thefragile

^I don't think it was him I came across...

demonspawn

John Todd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DerUFYMExS8

Soveriegn

Sounds like you have come across many men, was he black, white or yellow ?

af_thefragile

I think it was John Todd.

Cheers!

demonspawn

af_thefragile wrote: »

I think it was John Todd.

Cheers!

You help me, I help you.

Very interesting subject considering our conversation regarding djinn.

Brown Bomber

af_thefragile wrote: »

Who was that guy who left illuminati and went around giving interviews and such and then died/got killed or something??

I think I came across this somewhere but can't remember where...

Don't know if he is dead or not but I think maybe you are thinking of Leo Zagami.

Disinfo artist for what its worth.

joebucks

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Don't know if he is dead or not but I think maybe you are thinking of Leo Zagami.

Disinfo artist for what its worth.

There's many a disinfo artist. Who, if any, do ye reckon is legit?

Dr. John Coleman- ex MI6?
Bill Cooper?
Svali- ex- illuminati?
Cathy O'brien (MKUltra)?
Jim Corr?
Henry Makow?
Wayne Madsen?

gizmo

Looking into Todd's past he seems like a complete nutjob to be honest.

demonspawn

joebucks wrote: »

There's many a disinfo artist. Who, if any, do ye reckon is legit?

Dr. John Coleman- ex MI6?
Bill Cooper?
Svali- ex- illuminati?
Cathy O'brien (MKUltra)?
Jim Corr?
Henry Makow?
Wayne Madsen?

Listen to what they all have to say, find the similarities or difference in their claims, make up your own mind. There is a grain of truth in every lie. You are now a certified CTer, have fun!

demonspawn

gizmo wrote: »

Looking into Todd's past he seems like a complete nutjob to be honest.

What makes you say that? You can't just make comments like that without providing an explanation for those comments. Usually providing more than one sentence is considered a good post. Give it a go.

joebucks

demonspawn wrote: »

Listen to what they all have to say, find the similarities or difference in their claims, make up your own mind. There is a grain of truth in every lie. You are now a certified CTer, have fun!

Yeah it's great craic..I've only recently started paying attention to this stuff..I feel like Jimmy Stewart in Rear Window.

Brown Bomber

joebucks wrote: »

There's many a disinfo artist. Who, if any, do ye reckon is legit?

Dr. John Coleman- ex MI6?
Bill Cooper?
Svali- ex- illuminati?
Cathy O'brien (MKUltra)?
Jim Corr?
Henry Makow?
Wayne Madsen?

Interesting question. In bold I am not familiar with. Possibly them all disinfo, possibly none. Bill Cooper out of all of them I hope is not. If he didn't recant on the alien stuff though I'd say disinfo. I really enjoyed the mystery babylon series, and it would mean his death actually means something if he wasn't. Jim Corr to me, seems like a bit of a Alex Jones fan boy who means well. Makow if pushed I'd say disinfo. Cathy O'Brien, potentially crazy/disinfo but it is impossible to say as her story is and will be completely unverifiable. Madsen again possibly, I like to read what he puts out but try to be extra-critical with him. A lot of it with him is the unnamed sources.

gizmo

demonspawn wrote: »

What makes you say that? You can't just make comments like that without providing an explanation for those comments. Usually providing more than one sentence is considered a good post. Give it a go.

I just had a quick glance through his wiki page and the associated references and that was the impression I got. Some of his quotes and claims seem completely outlandish such as claiming JFK was still alive and that he was his personal warlock, claiming Jimmy Carter was the anti-christ and of course, the 'ol stalwart, claiming an apocalypse was coming and that people should stockpile weapons and food in preparation for it. That was supposed to happen in 1980 of course. : )

In fact, his association with the "occult" in any shape or form would be enough to raise my eyebrow. Then there was the rape charge and previous accusations of sexual misconduct in the mid 70s.

demonspawn

joebucks wrote: »

Yeah it's great craic..I've only recently started paying attention to this stuff..I feel like Jimmy Stewart in Rear Window.

Well, my only advise is not to take it too seriously. You'll do yourself some serious damage if you do (mental breakdowns etc.). Although the odd breakdown can be healthy, they're more like revelations. You basically go mad and see things from a completely different perspective, the trick is being able to come back out of it.

demonspawn

gizmo wrote: »

I just had a quick glance through his wiki page and the associated references and that was the impression I got. Some of his quotes and claims seem completely outlandish such as claiming JFK was still alive and that he was his personal warlock, claiming Jimmy Carter was the anti-christ and of course, the 'ol stalwart, claiming an apocalypse was coming and that people should stockpile weapons and food in preparation for it. That was supposed to happen in 1980 of course. : )

In fact, his association with the "occult" in any shape or form would be enough to raise my eyebrow. Then there was the rape charge and previous accusations of sexual misconduct in the mid 70s.

Yeah well, the people pulling the strings will go to great lengths to discredit or just kill anyone who's uncovering their plans. Putting up a bunch of crap on wiki isn't that hard to do. The only reason there is a wiki about the guy is to discredit him to be honest. Try finding a wiki about the people he implicates in that speech.

gizmo

demonspawn wrote: »

Yeah well, the people pulling the strings will go to great lengths to discredit or just kill anyone who's uncovering their plans. Putting up a bunch of crap on wiki isn't that hard to do. The only reason there is a wiki about the guy is to discredit him to be honest. Try finding a wiki about the people he implicates in that speech.

Which would be true had he not publicly made the above claims and not actually owned said occultism shop. His sexual misconduct was also detailed by his peers before it was brought to the attention of the authorities 10 years later when he was found guilty of raping a college student and then molesting those two kids.

demonspawn

gizmo wrote: »

Which would be true had he not publicly made the above claims and not actually owned said occultism shop. His sexual misconduct was also detailed by his peers before it was brought to the attention of the authorities 10 years later when he was found guilty of raping a college student and then molesting those two kids.

The Occult is real my friend, people practice magic on a daily basis. Some practice white magic, which allows for a greater understanding of our existence. Others practice black magic, which allows for personal knowledge and material gain.

This has been the case for thousands of years. Religion, spirituality... these are simply magic by another name. Education is simply passing on the information that has been gained by the practice of magic.

Edit: I've already addressed how easy it is to discredit someone. No need to rehash what this man may or may not have done.

joebucks

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Interesting question. In bold I am not familiar with. Possibly them all disinfo, possibly none. Bill Cooper out of all of them I hope is not. If he didn't recant on the alien stuff though I'd say disinfo. I really enjoyed the mystery babylon series, and it would mean his death actually means something if he wasn't. Jim Corr to me, seems like a bit of a Alex Jones fan boy who means well. Makow if pushed I'd say disinfo. Cathy O'Brien, potentially crazy/disinfo but it is impossible to say as her story is and will be completely unverifiable. Madsen again possibly, I like to read what he puts out but try to be extra-critical with him. A lot of it with him is the unnamed sources.

Thanks for your views. Dr John Coleman's stuff is very interesting and is worth checking out but again some of it is contradictory of other sources so a good chance it is disinfo.

Svali claims to be the daughter of a MKUltra 'doctor' and her story is pretty extreme but there is no way to verify any of it.

Some friends of mine have met Jim Corr a few times and speak pretty highly of him. He defo believes in what he puts out but he prob just like myself or yourself trying to make sense of it all.

gizmo

demonspawn wrote: »

The Occult is real my friend, people practice magic on a daily basis. Some practice white magic, which allows for a greater understanding of our existence. Others practice black magic, which allows for personal knowledge and material gain.

This has been the case for thousands of years. Religion, spirituality... these are simply magic by another name. Education is simply passing on the information that has been gained by the practice of magic.

Edit: I've already addressed how easy it is to discredit someone. No need to rehash what this man may or may not have done.

So you're saying magic is real? :eek:

joebucks

demonspawn wrote: »

Well, my only advise is not to take it too seriously. You'll do yourself some serious damage if you do (mental breakdowns etc.). Although the odd breakdown can be healthy, they're more like revelations. You basically go mad and see things from a completely different perspective, the trick is being able to come back out of it.

Yeah mate I know what ye mean. One thing I do know is that whatever is put out in the mainstream media usually contains more fiction than what you would read on a CT site.

The connections between the likes of Aleister Crowley, Anton LaVey, Charles Manson, Alice Bailey, The Lucis Trust, The Fabian Society, London School of Economics are really phenomenal

demonspawn

gizmo wrote: »

So you're saying magic is real? :eek:

I'm pretty sure you read my post, so why ask that question? Yes, I absolutely believe that magic is real and have practiced it myself to a degree. Have you ever heard of the ritual magic of King Solomon? Well, every Freemason practices that to some degree too...some more than others.

Go have a read about a man called Dr. John Dee, the Queen's conjurer, and come ask me again if I believe magic is real.

nullzero

Were you thinking of Leo Zagami?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nLfRsReGII

Just to clarify, I find this guy a bit suspect myself.

Brown Bomber

joebucks wrote: »

Thanks for your views. Dr John Coleman's stuff is very interesting and is worth checking out but again some of it is contradictory of other sources so a good chance it is disinfo.

Svali claims to be the daughter of a MKUltra 'doctor' and her story is pretty extreme but there is no way to verify any of it.

Some friends of mine have met Jim Corr a few times and speak pretty highly of him. He defo believes in what he puts out but he prob just like myself or yourself trying to make sense of it all.

I'll check them out, thanks for the heads up. As for Jim Corr, regardless of whether he is right or wrong he has got balls for putting himself on the line like that. I don't mean putting his health at risk or whatever just his reputation.

joebucks

nullzero wrote: »

Were you thinking of Leo Zagami?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nLfRsReGII

Just to clarify, I find this guy a bit suspect myself.

I would be suspicious of anything I've come across on project camelot.

demonspawn

nullzero wrote: »

Were you thinking of Leo Zagami?


Just to clarify, I find this guy a bit suspect myself.

Do me a favor and read the following thread.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056025253

Everything that man said in the video is true. The Catholic Church is simply a continuation of the Roman Empire, which is simply a continuation of the pagan Hebrew cult of King Solomon, which is simply a continuation of the ancient Egyptian cult of the Sun.

The Hebrew cult of King Solomon is not the same as the Jews The cult worshiped Baal and performed ritual magic, which is why ancient Israel was destroyed and the Hebrews banished from the Holy Land.

gizmo

demonspawn wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you read my post, so why ask that question?

It was more to do with me expressing disbelief really.

demonspawn wrote: »

Yes, I absolutely believe that magic is real and have practiced it myself to a degree. Have you ever heard of the ritual magic of King Solomon? Well, every Freemason practices that to some degree too...some more than others.

Go have a read about a man called Dr. John Dee, the Queen's conjurer, and come ask me again if I believe magic is real.

While I had read abit about Solomon I was not aware of Dee, thanks for the link. That being said, having read up on him he does come across as an extremely well educated man who not only seems to have lost his way somewhat in his later life but also fell in with the wrong crowd who seem to have exploited him somewhat. As for him proving the existence of magic, I get nothing of the sort from his history.

nullzero

demonspawn wrote: »

Do me a favor and read the following thread.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056025253

Everything that man said in the video is true. The Catholic Church is simply a continuation of the Roman Empire, which is simply a continuation of the pagan Hebrew cult of King Solomon, which is simply a continuation of the ancient Egyptian cult of the Sun.

The Hebrew cult of King Solomon is not the same as the Jews The cult worshiped Baal and performed ritual magic, which is why ancient Israel was destroyed and the Hebrews banished from the Holy Land.

He's not the only one saying these things and that's not what I don't like about him.
He's made some strange outlandish statements about how he's going to go into an open war witht eh illuminati and cause massive bloodshed. I'm not a fan of such violent intent, the man makes a lot of good points but then he goes off on wild rants.

demonspawn

nullzero wrote: »

He's not the only one saying these things and that's not what I don't like about him.
He's made some strange outlandish statements about how he's going to go into an open war witht eh illuminati and cause massive bloodshed. I'm not a fan of such violent intent, the man makes a lot of good points but then he goes off on wild rants.

Well, if you had any idea what the Illuminati are capable of you'd understand why he said those things. They are not just going to go away because we ask them to politely. If you want your life back, you're going to have to take it back by force.

I'm not advocating violence in any way. I wish there was no need for it. But if you truly want these people gone, you're going to have to fight their vast armies before you even get close to them.

Every single one of us is a slave. Your PPS number may as well be tattooed onto your arm and a microchip under your skin. The people in power don't have PPS numbers, I can guarantee that right now.

gizmo

demonspawn wrote: »

Well, if you had any idea what the Illuminati are capable of you'd understand why he said those things. They are not just going to go away because we ask them to politely. If you want your life back, you're going to have to take it back by force.

I'm not advocating violence in any way. I wish there was no need for it. But if you truly want these people gone, you're going to have to fight their vast armies before you even get close to them.

Every single one of us is a slave. Your PPS number may as well be tattooed onto your arm and a microchip under your skin. The people in power don't have PPS numbers, I can guarantee that right now.

I have never felt like a slave in my entire life. I can do anything I want to do within the confines of the law, laws which I fully support mind you. I can work anywhere with the proper training, travel anywhere I want given the desire and own whatever goods I want if I can afford them. My father had these benefits and his grandfather too, bar the whole war thing. This nicely covers all of the years people like Todd were claiming the Illumanti were going to crush us. I eagerly await 2012 too so we can get over that ridiculous assertion too. Unless, of course, you want to take the mysterious line that everything will change but we just won't know it. :rolleyes:

This fight against the power, scaremongering bull**** just doesn't fly with me nor anyone else with a bit of sense in the slightest so kindly stop peddling it here.

demonspawn

gizmo wrote: »

This fight against the power, scaremongering bull**** just doesn't fly with me nor anyone else with a bit of sense in the slightest so kindly stop peddling it here.

In the Conspiracy Theory Forum? I think you forget where you are.

gizmo

demonspawn wrote: »

In the Conspiracy Theory Forum? I think you forget where you are.

The two can be mutually exclusive.

One can have open and meaningful discussion about plenty of topics without resorting to boogyman scare tactics of the government/NWO/Illuminati coming to get us.

demonspawn

gizmo wrote: »

The two can be mutually exclusive.

One can have open and meaningful discussion about plenty of topics without resorting to boogyman scare tactics of the government/NWO/Illuminati coming to get us.

Not in this forum. This forum is for discussing bogeyman scare tactics of the government/NWO/Illuminati coming to get us. If you want a nice chat about other topics, there are many other sections of boards.ie that may be to your liking.

gizmo

demonspawn wrote: »

Not in this forum. This forum is for discussing bogeyman scare tactics of the government/NWO/Illuminati coming to get us. If you want a nice chat about other topics, there are many other sections of boards.ie that may be to your liking.

No offence but I'd prefer to take my Boards usage advice from someone who didn't sign up a little over five months ago. :rolleyes:

Anyway, as I said before plenty of people on both sides of the fence can discuss these issues without resorting to such exaggerated scare tactics.

nullzero

demonspawn wrote: »

Well, if you had any idea what the Illuminati are capable of you'd understand why he said those things.

What don't I understand?
It's wise not to asusme others levels of knowledge.There's a difference between being forceful and being violent, thats the point I was making.

Undergod

demonspawn wrote: »

There is a grain of truth in every lie.

Yesterday my llama exploded, turned into an eight-foot demon and made me a fire sandwich.

nullzero

Undergod wrote: »

Yesterday my llama exploded, turned into an eight-foot demon and made me a fire sandwich.

Yestersay you had a sandwich?
Can I have a cookie now?

demonspawn

Undergod wrote: »

Yesterday my llama exploded, turned into an eight-foot demon and made me a fire sandwich.

The concept and measurement of time, llamas, explosions, metamorphosis, the measurement of distances, fire, and sandwiches are all very real. Quite a few grains of truth in that one. The only questionable part of that sentence is the demons, though many do actually believe them to exist. Care to try again? :rolleyes:

demonspawn

nullzero wrote: »

What don't I understand?
It's wise not to asusme others levels of knowledge.There's a difference between being forceful and being violent, thats the point I was making.

What's the difference in using force and violence? They are the same thing.

Violence is the expression of physical or verbal force against self or other, compelling action against one's will on pain of being hurt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence

nullzero

demonspawn wrote: »

What's the difference in using force and violence? They are the same thing.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence

I meant a force of will.
To use a forceful mental approach to non violent dissent or activism.
To have an unerring determination to reach your goals with using violence which always discredits the work you're trying to do.

As Einstein is quoted as saying; "You cannot sove a problem from the same consciousness that created it. You must learn to see the world anew."

Conflict only breed's more conflict ie, a vicious circle.

demonspawn

nullzero wrote: »

I meant a force of will.
To use a forceful mental approach to non violent dissent or activism.
To have an unerring determination to reach your goals with using violence which always discredits the work you're trying to do.

As Einstein is quoted as saying; "You cannot sove a problem from the same consciousness that created it. You must learn to see the world anew."

Conflict only breed's more conflict ie, a vicious circle.

Ah yes, well using your will to force something upon another is still violence I suppose. It's just not physical violence. Life is conflict. It begins at birth when we are forced from our mother's womb. It continues through our whole lives as we try to fight off death. Conflict for space, for ideas, for power. Everything is in constant conflict, even the thoughts in our own mind. So what's the point in trying so hard to avoid conflict?

nullzero

demonspawn wrote: »

Ah yes, well using your will to force something upon another is still violence I suppose. It's just not physical violence.

I thought we were talking about violent protest (throwing things at police etc...), you can define violence in different ways but I thought we were discussing the physical kind.

demonspawn

nullzero wrote: »

I thought we were talking about violent protest (throwing things at police etc...), you can define violence in different ways but I thought we were discussing the physical kind.

I actually have no idea what we're discussing to be honest. With all the debunkers, naysayers and misinformation agents running around this forum it's difficult to keep your train of thought.

nullzero

demonspawn wrote: »

I actually have no idea what we're discussing to be honest. With all the debunkers, naysayers and misinformation agents running around this forum it's difficult to keep your train of thought.

+1, I think we were splitting hairs for no reason really, anything other than discussing 9-11 again I suppose.

Priori

demonspawn wrote: »

The people in power don't have PPS numbers, I can guarantee that right now.

Something to back up this claim would be nice.

demonspawn wrote: »

If you want a nice chat about other topics, there are many other sections of boards.ie that may be to your liking.

There's that 'I can speak for these forums' tone that I picked up on in my first post. Seems I wasn't too wide of the mark.

demonspawn

Priori wrote: »

Something to back up this claim would be nice.

And how do you propose I do that exactly? They gave us these numbers, why would they have them themselves? Did the Nazis tattoo other Nazis in the camps? No, they only tattooed the slave labor. History is evidence enough.

There's that 'I can speak for these forums' tone that I picked up on in my first post. Seems I wasn't too wide of the mark.

I'm a regular poster on the CT forum. You have 6 posts. Your first post praised the glories of a known propagandist on a CT forum. I rest my case.

Priori

demonspawn wrote: »

I'm a regular poster on the CT forum. You have 6 posts. Your first post praised the glories of a known propagandist on a CT forum. I rest my case.

I bow down before thee, oh prolific poster!

And I think you'll find I didn't 'praise the glories' of anyone; no other poster reacted as you did, or could have come to such a ridiculous conclusion based on my posts thus far. Stop with the puerile bullying.

demonspawn

Priori wrote: »

I bow down before thee, oh prolific poster!

And I think you'll find I didn't 'praise the glories' of anyone; no other poster reacted as you did, or could have come to such a ridiculous conclusion based on my posts thus far. Stop with the puerile bullying.

Well, if you didn't actually come here for the purpose of spreading more misinformation then great! I look forward to your contributions on this forum.

Undergod

demonspawn wrote: »

The concept and measurement of time, llamas, explosions, metamorphosis, the measurement of distances, fire, and sandwiches are all very real. Quite a few grains of truth in that one. The only questionable part of that sentence is the demons, though many do actually believe them to exist. Care to try again? :rolleyes:

My virfenglib reptookded into a shlurg.

Talk about missing the point. All of the elements that I spoke about may indeed exist, but doesn't give any credence whatsoever to the story.

Let's make up a CT and examine it with your logic.

"Queen Elizabeth ordered the attempted assination of Pope John Paul II"

So QEII, JP2 and the assassination all happened, so we should take it seriously?