Decided to repeat

LC2010HIS

Ok, after all my "will i ,wont i" im going to repeat.
i got my place.
but i have to choose a 6th subject. im considering ag.science(recommended as i did bio), accounting, geography or LCVP
however, they dont do LCVP so id be on my own.
so which subject would be less bulk to take up for 9months?
what can i expect when repeating?
any tips

Thanking you!

theowen

LC2010HIS wrote: »

Ok, after all my "will i ,wont i" im going to repeat.
i got my place.
but i have to choose a 6th subject. im considering ag.science(recommended as i did bio), accounting, geography or LCVP
however, they dont do LCVP so id be on my own.
so which subject would be less bulk to take up for 9months?
what can i expect when repeating?
any tips

Thanking you!

Ag science course is very short.

LC2010HIS

Is there a project and if so, what are the marks?
I saw this years paper and it looks hard...is there time?

Is it possible to do LCVP on your own?
And is geography doable in 1 year or should i just go with Ag Science?

Larianne

I was talking to a girl in my class who repeated and she said Ag Science is a good one to do to get points.

spurious

Make sure you have the right subject combinations to be allowed do LCVP.

unknown13

I would advise you against doing LCVP. Very hard subject to get the top mark in it.

theowen

LC2010HIS wrote: »

Is there a project and if so, what are the marks?
I saw this years paper and it looks hard...is there time?

Is it possible to do LCVP on your own?
And is geography doable in 1 year or should i just go with Ag Science?

There's a project yeah. Well, I did it in a year, and the project over a weekend. The only problem is the paper can be very dodgy.

Why would you do LCVP anyway? I did it properly for 2 years, went over everything that my teacher said to, and I only got 50 marks. Nobody in my school has got the 70 marks in 2/3 years!

Liveit

Don't do LCVP if you are looking for more than 50 points.
Ag Science is not easy. Project is worth 25% I think. I would try to stay away from subjects with projects because they eat into your time.

annainez

I just heard from a friend of mine repeating (I'm repeating too btw!) that you can't do LCVP whether you have done it before or not as it involves project work to be done over the two years? I'm not sure how much truth is in that but I'm just warning you!

LC2010HIS

I wrote down Geography on my form
But she said i can change soon if i feel its too much.
So any advice on Geography? Need points outta it!!!!:rolleyes:

rainbowtrout

LC2010HIS wrote: »

I wrote down Geography on my form
But she said i can change soon if i feel its too much.
So any advice on Geography? Need points outta it!!!!:rolleyes:

If you're looking for anything higher than 70 points in this extra subject then LCVP really isn't an option. That's the equivalent of a C1 at higher level. Are you looking for higher than a C1 in whatever subject you pick?

Ag science does have a project. A1's are not handed out like penny sweets despite what everyone says about the subject being an 'easy honour' or 'handy for points'

To give you some stats from this years LC (Higher Level):

Geography A1s = 3% ( All A Grades 8.9%)
Accounting = 8.6 (All A Grades = 20.3%)
Ag Science A1s = 3.8% (All A Grades = 9.9%)

Of course, what you're interested in should be a deciding factor too. No point doing accounting if you don't like accounts or numbers.

irish_man

rainbowtrout wrote: »

To give you some stats from this years LC (Higher Level):

Geography A1s = 3% ( All A Grades 8.9%)
Accounting = 8.6 (All A Grades = 20.3%)
Ag Science A1s = 3.8% (All A Grades = 9.9%)

You can't just look at the stats. The standard of students doing accounting compared to geograraphy are completely different. Look at physics. the percentage A's is 18% (afaik) but clever people do physics whereas everybody in the whole country does geography.

Don't decide on the subjects based on stats. Bad idea

LC2010HIS

rainbowtrout wrote: »

If you're looking for anything higher than 70 points in this extra subject then LCVP really isn't an option. That's the equivalent of a C1 at higher level. Are you looking for higher than a C1 in whatever subject you pick?

Ag science does have a project. A1's are not handed out like penny sweets despite what everyone says about the subject being an 'easy honour' or 'handy for points'

To give you some stats from this years LC (Higher Level):

Geography A1s = 3% ( All A Grades 8.9%)
Accounting = 8.6 (All A Grades = 20.3%)
Ag Science A1s = 3.8% (All A Grades = 9.9%)

Of course, what you're interested in should be a deciding factor too. No point doing accounting if you don't like accounts or numbers.

a C1 or even higher would be great to use for points :P
like, for a new subject, thats pretty good!

Im hoping for 2 A1s outta my best 2 subjects and maybe a 1 B and 3 C's in the others.
Hopefully anyways!!!

wayhey

I did Geography last year. Like you, I'm repeating. What subjects do you already do/like? That's important! I'm taking up Agricultural Science and flicked through the book for the first time today... looks pretty good, I've been told it goes on both Biology and Geography and there's farmers in my family so it works out for me.

Geography at Leaving Cert. is very different to Junior Cert (and you certainly don't need JC level to do it!) The course is broken into a Core, Elective and Option.

Core Physical Geography, e.g. the plates, volcanoes, earthquakes (very briefly covered), mountain formation, rock types, detailed rock study (e.g. limestone, basalt) both River and Glacial Features & Processes (e.g. ox-bow lakes, glacial valleys). You'll also do sketch maps and learn map-reading skills.
Regional Geography. I find this my favourite area of the course. We study regions across the world, e.g. cultural (India/The Islamic World...language and religion basically), geomorphological (The Burren) and core/periphery economic locations and their primary,secondary and tertiary economic activities in Ireland, the EU and a sub-continental area (e.g. India, Brazil, South Western USA). If you like History, you'll love this area I'd think. It's learning off statistics basically... dunno why I love it but I do

Elective You'll do HUMAN or an ECONOMIC Elective. I did Human, it concerns itself with how cities develop.. eh, that's all I remember right now, but it does tie in nicely with some regional you already study :P The ECONOMIC I didn't do but I know it concerns itself with stuff like multinational corporations. I was told if you do Business you'll do well here.

Option There's looooads of choice here but usually the teacher decides. A common choice is Geoecology. In it you study a biome (world region with a set of climate, soils, plants and animals that interact with each other, e.g. a rainforest or desert) which involves either studying 3/4 of the characteristics (mentioned in the brackets) and the human impact on said biome and characteristics (e.g. logging in the Amazon and the effect on soil/ the animals without a home, etc.). In Geoecology you also study soils, which can be tedious but it's literally how soil is formed and a profile - pure learning off and the option is guaranteed so a nice 12.5% if you like it. The others are on skoool.ie. Global Interdependence is probably 2nd in popularity, followed by Culture and Identity. I've heard The Atmosphere/Ocean option isn't that common, but I'm only basing that on my experiences.

Skootch on over to http://www.skoool.ie/examcentre_senior.asp?id=3618 and you can browse through some topics. I love Geography and I think it'd be very easy to get a high C in at after one year if you like it (or even if you don't with regular study). If you really like it and study hard, don't see why you couldn't get a B. It's got a lot in common with Biology in that way, but it's less specific I think. You certainly can't make up statistics or that and expect to do really well but if you get the general idea of a topic and the main points you can get a few marks.

Anyways, just my two cents. I think you should pick the subject you prefer and ignore points because either way you'll need to spend a bit of time at it. But I liked Geography, put some work in and got an A1.

rainbowtrout

irish_man wrote: »

You can't just look at the stats. The standard of students doing accounting compared to geograraphy are completely different. Look at physics. the percentage A's is 18% (afaik) but clever people do physics whereas everybody in the whole country does geography.

Don't decide on the subjects based on stats. Bad idea

I wasn't. I'm an ag science teacher myself. You can use statistics in whatever way you choose to highlight whatever point you want to make, as you have just done. I was making the point that Ag Science is not an easy A1 as it is constantly made out to be, yet it is consistently being chosen as a points subject, where as the less glamorous subjects like Physics, Chemistry, Accounting do get a good return on A grades because people do them because they are interested, not for an easy A. Conversely, the percentage A grades is high because people who don't think they'll do well at them avoid these subjects like the plague, which skews the results somewhat.

You're also insulting everyone that does geography by suggesting that they are not clever.

irish_man

rainbowtrout wrote: »

You're also insulting everyone that does geography by suggesting that they are not clever.

Ah no i'm not. I do geography myself. What I said is common knowledge. 20000 people did geogrpahy this year. I'm not going to reply to the next comment if you reply to this as I'm not interested in starting a debate.

muffinz

geog is a ridiculously long course to do in one year - dont do it!! Prob best off doing ag.science or something like that

spurious

rainbowtrout wrote: »

You're also insulting everyone that does geography by suggesting that they are not clever.

...and making quite a leap to say 'clever people do physics'.

People do the subjects on offer in their school. This is determined by what qualifications the teachers have, unless you're in a school with a very large number of students where there is the leeway to bring in extra staff for minority subjects.

Einhard

LC2010HIS wrote: »

Ok, after all my "will i ,wont i" im going to repeat.
i got my place.
but i have to choose a 6th subject. im considering ag.science(recommended as i did bio), accounting, geography or LCVP
however, they dont do LCVP so id be on my own.
so which subject would be less bulk to take up for 9months?
what can i expect when repeating?
any tips

Thanking you!

Hey, I don't understand this. How can you have got your course and only have 5 subjects? Forgive me if it's a dumb question, it's been a while since I done my LC!

LC2010HIS

im doing:

History HL (aim: A1)
Geography HL (aim: C1)
Irish OL (aim: C1)
French HL (aim: C1)
Art HL (aim: B1)
Biology HL (aim: B1/A1)


Aiming for 440/50 pts for Nursing.
So, is it possible?
Or shud i switch to Ag.Science???:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Kinda confused now! Afraid to take on Ag Science with Geography instead of Irish...but at the same time, more points if i passed it.
But 2 new subjects.....tooooo much???
HELP!

rebel girl 15

annainez wrote: »

I just heard from a friend of mine repeating (I'm repeating too btw!) that you can't do LCVP whether you have done it before or not as it involves project work to be done over the two years? I'm not sure how much truth is in that but I'm just warning you!

I've two friends that repeated LCVP, but they could not submit the project at all, and only repeat the written paper, interview and audio visual parts

wayhey

LC2010HIS wrote: »

im doing:

History HL (aim: A1)
Geography HL (aim: C1)
Irish OL (aim: C1)
French HL (aim: C1)
Art HL (aim: B1)
Biology HL (aim: B1/A1)


Aiming for 440/50 pts for Nursing.
So, is it possible?
Or shud i switch to Ag.Science???:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Kinda confused now! Afraid to take on Ag Science with Geography instead of Irish...but at the same time, more points if i passed it.
But 2 new subjects.....tooooo much???
HELP!

I think you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself to get A1s in History and Biology... You should really aim for a B in French, CERTAINLY Irish and if you work at it I think you could get a B in Geography. It'd be hard, but I think you're taking a risk banking on As and Cs instead of going for the Bs.

lctake2

I repeated and took up ag science, i found the paper awful, much harder than any i had done before but still got an a1. i'm not saying that you can do that with no work but i didnt do any more work in ag than i did for any other subject and all my other subjects i had already done for 2 years. we had the course finished by febuary so could revise for the rest of the year. I think taking up 2 new subjects will be tough, for me since the english course had changed it felt like a whole new subject and i never really got to grips with it

Ditzie

lctake2 wrote: »

for me since the english course had changed it felt like a whole new subject and i never really got to grips with it

If you don't mind me asking, did you come up in English? because a friend of mine repeated english and was sorry she did as she got the same grade and put alot of work in because of the new course so now I'm undcided on whether to repeat it or not...

LadyGaga!

Advising against Accounting, very tricky subject to get high grades in as they change the format of the Q's so often.

rainbowtrout

LC2010HIS wrote: »

im doing:

History HL (aim: A1)
Geography HL (aim: C1)
Irish OL (aim: C1)
French HL (aim: C1)
Art HL (aim: B1)
Biology HL (aim: B1/A1)


Aiming for 440/50 pts for Nursing.
So, is it possible?
Or shud i switch to Ag.Science???:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Kinda confused now! Afraid to take on Ag Science with Geography instead of Irish...but at the same time, more points if i passed it.
But 2 new subjects.....tooooo much???
HELP!

It would make more sense to take up Ag Science than Irish. A C1 in OL Irish will only give you 30 points. A D3 in HL Ag Science (very very doable) will give you 45.

LC2010HIS

rainbowtrout wrote: »

It would make more sense to take up Ag Science than Irish. A C1 in OL Irish will only give you 30 points. A D3 in HL Ag Science (very very doable) will give you 45.

really? do u reckon i could handle 2 new subjects?:)
it wud be a relief not to touch irish again !!
anyone out there who repeated and did 2 new subjectS????

rainbowtrout

LC2010HIS wrote: »

really? do u reckon i could handle 2 new subjects?:)
it wud be a relief not to touch irish again !!
anyone out there who repeated and did 2 new subjectS????

Well i have no idea what your ability is like, but there is an overlap in geography and biology. What you should probably do is have a look at some of the exam papers on examinations.ie and see what you think of the topics. The project is worth 25% (of course not everyone gets 25%) but it's not too hard after that to at least get the D3

A Changer

LC2010HIS wrote: »

anyone out there who repeated and did 2 new subjectS????

I did three new subjects: Geography, Economics and Classical Studies, and had little problem completing the courses. Geography was close... :rolleyes:

Granted, I was in a grind school and the teachers were fantastic, but it's doable. Abandoning Irish was a treat - not only do you not need to study it, but it frees up part of the first section of the Leaving Certificate exams. While everyone else is doing two exam papers, you can be hitting the History books to try and get that A1.

One less oral exam isn't something to sniff at, either.

spurious

Why didn't you choose to do one of the linked Nursing Studies PLCs and get into Nursing that route?
It would seem to me much easier than repeating and starting new subjects.

LC2010HIS

can people give me a list of ag science as i cant find the checklist on skoool.ie?

what is ag science? i no its farming but what will i be learning??????:eek:

Pugzilla

LC2010HIS wrote: »

can people give me a list of ag science as i cant find the checklist on skoool.ie?

what is ag science? i no its farming but what will i be learning??????:eek:

http://www.curriculumonline.ie/en/Post-Primary_Curriculum/Senior_Cycle_Curriculum/Leaving_Certificate_Established/Agricultural_Science/

rainbowtrout

Read all of this thread:



http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055467114


The curriculum is only 5 pages long and not a bit detailed. It was written in 1969.


But a general summary

Plant Science
Animal Physiology
Genetics
Soil Science
Grassland
Crops: Root Crops and Cereal Crops (Probably Potato and Barley)
Animal Health and Nutrition
Pigs
Sheep
Dairy and Beef Cattle

LC2010HIS

seems interesting enough.
so, would it be a good move to take on geog and ag science?
thing is, french is hard enuf without irish again!!!!
i find languages difficult tbh! french is fine on its own. but hate irish!

lctake2

Ditzie wrote: »

If you don't mind me asking, did you come up in English? because a friend of mine repeated english and was sorry she did as she got the same grade and put alot of work in because of the new course so now I'm undcided on whether to repeat it or not...

i actually got the same grade too. it was the only subject that I didn't go up in and even though i got my course it felt like a kick in the teeth after all my hard work

Ditzie

lctake2 wrote: »

i actually got the same grade too. it was the only subject that I didn't go up in and even though i got my course it felt like a kick in the teeth after all my hard work

Thanks, I've heard of a lot of people in the same boat, but because I love english I'm going to repaet it anyway... I'm stubborn I know

Shona R

im repeating this yr..im doing LCVP. did it last year too and got the 70 points distinction.. very easy to get 70 points but as already said if your lookin for highr then 70 points for your extra subject dont do it. however LCVP is very beneficial relating to business and enterprise in a future career..

I recommend business to anyone..very easy to learn..i hated it and didnt work for it and i came out with a B3 in higher..

pineapple 09

I have good notes on French and chemistry on sale on ebay if anyone is interested. Recieved A1 in leaving cert using just the notes so they are useful!

LC2010HIS

is two new subjects too much of a risk?

It'd be great to only have to do 1 language as i suck at them!
and if i passed a HL paper, its more marks than Irish OL

advice?

rainbowtrout

LC2010HIS wrote: »

is two new subjects too much of a risk?

It'd be great to only have to do 1 language as i suck at them!
and if i passed a HL paper, its more marks than Irish OL

advice?

Didn't you already ask this in an earlier post? Seriously, at this stage just pick two subjects and get on with it. It's already the middle of September. The longer you dither over it, the less time you will have to learn anything.