ESB mast interference payment

limerick farmer

Just wondering did anyone get paid this year or is it abolished? I used to get paid in march dont remember getting it this year.

reilig

limerick farmer wrote: »

Just wondering did anyone get paid this year or is it abolished? I used to get paid in march dont remember getting it this year.

Got no payment yet, but didn't get last year's payment until october. Its a pittance anyway. Doesn't cover the damage that they do when the come on to the land every couple of years to service them.

f2

Can anyone tell me if the ESB mast payments are paid on the footprint of the masts [double poles with stays 110v] Im having problems with ESB

brian_t

f2 wrote: »

Can anyone tell me if the ESB mast payments are paid on the footprint of the masts [double poles with stays 110v] Im having problems with ESB

No they are not. Stays are irrelevent.

But you do get compensated for the double poles.

Double Wood Poles Under 2.7m wide €15.53 Over 2.7m wide €36.89

http://www.esb.ie/esbnetworks/en/domestic-customers/farming/mast_interference_payments.jsp

Stays are a serious nuisance especially if you have two or more but no extra compensation I'm afraid

loremolis

f2 wrote: »

Can anyone tell me if the ESB mast payments are paid on the footprint of the masts [double poles with stays 110v] Im having problems with ESB

What kind of problems are you having?

Stays are not irrelevent.
If the stays are interfering with your use of the land and are taking up land over and above the area under the poles then you are entitled to compensation for the land lost because of the stays.

The mast compensation schedule doesn't mention it, but so what, it can't cover every situation and in any event mast compensation is non-statutory compensation so you can look for whatever you like as long as it's fair and reasonable.

f2

The esb want to cross with a 38kv line, I already have another 38kv line, plus a 110kv line crossing, I questioned compsenation for stays, all poles have 4 stays, ground conditions arnt great but it is all in grass and great summer grazing. The esb have offered some increase in compsenation but wont go to the full footprint of the poles and stays, they also deny paying this to anybody else, I am very lucky!

f2

Been talking to ESB they have offered an increase in payments, paying double pole 38kv rate for single poles and a one stage increase in payment for 110kv line. They told me they dont do this anywhere else, thats not true another man on the line secured the double pole 38kv rate on single poles also. Its difficult to know what they will pay if pushed, Im told whatever I get before entry Iill get nothing if I let them and try to talk to them afterwards. Diffult call!

loremolis

f2 wrote: »

Been talking to ESB they have offered an increase in payments, paying double pole 38kv rate for single poles and a one stage increase in payment for 110kv line. They told me they dont do this anywhere else, thats not true another man on the line secured the double pole 38kv rate on single poles also. Its difficult to know what they will pay if pushed, Im told whatever I get before entry Iill get nothing if I let them and try to talk to them afterwards. Diffult call!

Your post isn't clear. Are you saying that the ESB want to put new poles/lines on your land and you're negotiating the annual payment?

Are you also negotiating the once off lump sum?

The annual payment has nothing to do with the compensation owed for access/damage. The annual payment is like rent paid for the ongoing interference caused by the line on the land. It's paid on an annual basis.

The lump sum is what you are entitled to for allowing access, for suffering lost crops/grazing during the works etc.

They are different things entirely.

You are correct, if you let them in before you agree the lump sum/annual payment then you can practically forget about it.

Edit, having read your previous post I see that you are referring to a new line.

loremolis

reilig wrote: »

Got no payment yet, but didn't get last year's payment until october. Its a pittance anyway. Doesn't cover the damage that they do when the come on to the land every couple of years to service them.

I've re-read these posts so apologies for the second post right after my last.

The situation you refer to i.e. damage to the land when the ESB enter to service the line has nothing to do with the annual "mast compensation"payment for interference with your use of the land caused by the poles/pylons.

You are entitled to compensation every single time the ESB damage your land when servicing their lines. If they damage your crop or disturb/damage grazing land in any way you are statutorily entitled to compensation even if you are claiming the mast interference payments.

If you want more information let me know.

f2

Its the mast interference payments that are confusing me, the pole rates are one thing but Ive been told that I can get paid the pylon rate based on the footprint of the poles and stays,[this info came from a linesman within the ESB] the ESB rep says NO but has made some movement in that direction, its hard get any info about what they will do but it seems saying no is the only way to get things done

f2

Finally had a breakthrough the mast interference have been increased a little 9 euro to 17 for single poles because of stays, I dont know if anybody is getting this and perhaps more, but its a struggle anybody else know anything

loremolis

f2 wrote: »

Finally had a breakthrough the mast interference have been increased a little 9 euro to 17 for single poles because of stays, I dont know if anybody is getting this and perhaps more, but its a struggle anybody else know anything

I've been arguing with them for ages about the poles and stays but they tell me they they don't pay for them

The bloody things are taking up more room than a pylon

How did you do it?

reilig

f2 wrote: »

Finally had a breakthrough the mast interference have been increased a little 9 euro to 17 for single poles because of stays, I dont know if anybody is getting this and perhaps more, but its a struggle anybody else know anything

Single poles?

Are these domestic poles or poles carrying 110kv lines?

mancity1

Hello guys hope this isn't a stupid question but I think there is 3 single wood poles on a family members farm that have been there for as long as I can remember should they be entitled to this payment?

bob charles

loremolis wrote: »

I've been arguing with them for ages about the poles and stays but they tell me they they don't pay for them

The bloody things are taking up more room than a pylon

How did you do it?

well if I wasnt getting paid for the footprint of the stays then I may accidentally hit them with the mower when cutting around the poles and cut the stays.

loremolis

reilig wrote: »

Single poles?

Are these domestic poles or poles carrying 110kv lines?

Mine are single domestic type poles with stays.

Does anyone else get paid for these?

f2

They pay for 110 and 38 kv lines only, not for poles supplying houses. I only got the increase because they wanted access and I locked them out, it took a while though

loremolis

f2 wrote: »

They pay for 110 and 38 kv lines only, not for poles supplying houses. I only got the increase because they wanted access and I locked them out, it took a while though

Were you not worried that they would take you to court because you locked them out?

f2

I never stopped talking to them, just kept saying the same thing. They threatened court but I said that was their decision, I only wanted the inconvience of the stays recognised

loremolis

f2 wrote: »

I never stopped talking to them, just kept saying the same thing. They threatened court but I said that was their decision, I only wanted the inconvience of the stays recognised

Well played.

Could you share anything you got from them in writing that confirms payment for stays and poles? It would make it much simpler to make a claim for stays.

You could blank out whatever might identify you and any reference numbers.

f2

I have received mast interference payments this week but they wont be of any help to you, the esb have paid on their own scale ie it shows up on invoice as a double pole payment where the actual pole on the ground is a single, you would have to know the actual poles,

delaval

Interesting,
Am I to under stand that a payment can be secured for ESB poles on my land?
We have 10 single poles and 1 set of doubles I do not know what kind of lines they are carrying.
As I have never claimed before can it be backdated?

reilig

delaval wrote: »

Interesting,
Am I to under stand that a payment can be secured for ESB poles on my land?
We have 10 single poles and 1 set of doubles I do not know what kind of lines they are carrying.
As I have never claimed before can it be backdated?

Yes.

However, afaik they don't pay for domestic lines. If they did I'd make a living out of poles. We have a 110kv triple line on poles running through our land. 2 sets of poles = 37 euro per year. One of the lines has a fibreoptic broadband line wrapped around it and a small box at the top of each set of poles about the size of a lick bucket. Payment for this is approx eur 120 per year.

moy83

The father bought land a few years ago with double poles going through it and he was told that only the original owner was entitled to payment for them , think were they spoofing about this ?
He got a brand new Major topper off them years ago aswell because they had left the butt of a stay sticking up out of rushes he was topping and his own topper got mangled , twas one of the very few brand new pieces of machinery he could ever afford

ABlur

moy83 wrote: »

The father bought land a few years ago with double poles going through it and he was told that only the original owner was entitled to payment for them , think were they spoofing about this.

Definetely spoofing, the current owner is entitled, I bought my land last year got paid this year.
U quote folio number on form, they can check this on land registry if they want.

reilig

ABlur wrote: »

moy83 wrote: »

The father bought land a few years ago with double poles going through it and he was told that only the original owner was entitled to payment for them , think were they spoofing about this.

Definetely spoofing, the current owner is entitled, I bought my land last year got paid this year.
U quote folio number on form, they can check this on land registry if they want.

As far as I know you are entitled to the payment even if you are renting the land. The payment is supposed to be to compensate for interference with farming activities. If they have to come on to your land to replace poles or work on the lines, they will pay you extra disturbance money. They only replaced the poles around here once in the last 40 years. They also leave you the poles - several people around here sawed them. We roofed sheds with ours. They also leave you the 2 H girders which are about 30ft long when they replace!.

f2

You will find dealing with esb difficult unless they need to get onto your lands, and always try to have a deal in place before they leave, my experience is once theyre gone theyre gone.

delaval

f2 wrote: »

You will find dealing with esb difficult unless they need to get onto your lands, and always try to have a deal in place before they leave, my experience is once theyre gone theyre gone.

Is it worth the headache trying for a small amount of money?

f2

Probably not but at least you get them to acknowledge your rights as the property owner. No matter how small the money is you will find the esb dont like parting with it; its entertainment value really

loremolis

f2 wrote: »

Probably not but at least you get them to acknowledge your rights as the property owner. No matter how small the money is you will find the esb dont like parting with it; its entertainment value really

I read that it costs a total of about €5 million per year to make these payments to landowners. Not a small amount to be handing out without any statutory basis for doing so.

They do it because they don't own the land under the pylons or poles and it's a form of wayleave payment so that they can have a basis for entry in the future.

The fibre optic payment is something similar. They use land for commercial fibre optics so they pay annually for the use.

Irish solution to an Irish problem.

theaceofspies

loremolis wrote: »

I read that it costs a total of about €5 million per year to make these payments to landowners. Not a small amount to be handing out without any statutory basis for doing so.

They do it because they don't own the land under the pylons or poles and it's a form of wayleave payment so that they can have a basis for entry in the future.

The fibre optic payment is something similar. They use land for commercial fibre optics so they pay annually for the use.

Irish solution to an Irish problem.

The very same ESB know how to charge myself and many others very well for their product. I don't think I'll ever get my power for free from the ESB; so why should they get free rental on poles located on my property on which they are benefitting financially from?

loremolis

theaceofspies wrote: »

The very same ESB know how to charge myself and many others very well for their product. I don't think I'll ever get my power for free from the ESB; so why should they get free rental on poles located on my property on which they are benefitting financially from?

They shouldn't get it for free.

In the UK the landowner sets the price and if the privately owned electricity companies don't like it they can remove their equipment or seek a hearing form the secretary of state who decides the amount for the wayleave.

In Northern Ireland, NIE, owned by the ESB, sets the following rates to include payments for single poles and stays. Worth a read.
http://www.nie.co.uk/documents/Wayleave/NIE_wayleave-agreement_informationpack.aspx