CHEMTRAILS

joebucks

Chemtrails in O2 ad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtB0IzTi3Dw

joebucks

Looks like it is not just cters who are wondering about these trails.

World Aeronautical Press agency website

http://www.avionews.com/index.php?corpo=see_news_home.php&news_id=1077601&pagina_chiamante=index.php

European Parliament: question on aircraft condensation trails which no longer only contain water

2) Is the Commission aware that investigations by these complainants, observations by pilots and statements by government bodies increasingly suggest that what is happening is that aircraft are emitting into dry air small particles consisting of barium, aluminium and iron, a phenomenon which in public debate in America has come to be known as chemtrails?

Who initiates this spraying and how is it funded?

3) Unlike contrails, chemtrails are not an inevitable by-product of modern aviation. Does the Commission know, therefore, what is the purpose of artificially emitting these Earth-derived substances into the Earth's atmosphere? Does it help to cause rain, benefit telecommunications or combat climate change?

chazbar

first time i have seen this. 3 chemtrail/contrail lines, 1 plane with chemtrail/contrail coming from it. In the same area another plane with nothing coming from it. Can anyone explain that? height of the planes cannot be a factor as the lines were at different levels and the plane with no line was in the middle of all of it.

seensensee

t'is the stuff science fiction is made of

GarlicBread

It has to be either the UN or Nato thats doing this. No other organizations have the capacity or geopolitical clout to spray the whole world 24/7.

joebucks

Interesting article in the Slate about Geoengineeering.

Weather as a Weapon
The troubling history of geoengineering so far.
By James Rodger Fleming

http://www.slate.com/id/2268232/

meglome

joebucks wrote: »

Looks like it is not just cters who are wondering about these trails.

World Aeronautical Press agency website

http://www.avionews.com/index.php?corpo=see_news_home.php&news_id=1077601&pagina_chiamante=index.php

So someone asked the European parliament a question about something there is no proof exists.

26 June 2007
E-2455/2007
Answer given by Mr Dimas on behalf of the Commission

1. The Commission is aware of claims that such trends and phenomena exist. However, the Commission is not aware of any evidence substantiating such claims. The extent to which aircraft condensation trails form and the speed at which they disappear are in the first instance determined by pressure, temperature, and the relative humidity of a given flight level. Fuel and combustion properties and the overall propulsive efficiency may also have an impact. Any changes or trends in the extent to which contrails are reported to remain visible and develop into more widespread clouds may thus be due to factors such as changes in:

— meteorological conditions;
— traffic volumes;
— jet-engine efficiency.

2. The Commission is aware of such claims but is not aware of any evidence that particles of barium, aluminium or iron are being emitted, deliberately or not, by aircraft.

3. No. It cannot be precluded that the release of such particles might affect precipitation and climate change, but as indicated above the Commission is not aware of any evidence that such releases take place.

4. The Commission is not aware of any evidence that such methods are being employed in Europe.

5. None of the substances referred to are hazardous per se, but some effects on environment and public health can not be ruled out if large scale releases to the air occurred.

6. As indicated above the Commission is not aware of any evidence suggesting that there is any reason to act.

iPlop

I don't know if this has been posted ,but it shows clearly a plane spraying something into the air filmed by another pilot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q28dQaaLQGQ

joebucks

meglome wrote: »

So someone asked the European parliament a question about something there is no proof exists.

plenty of video and photographic proof that these trails do exist. What causes these trails is the question.

The answer given by the Commission is inconclusive and surely the situation merits further investigation, no?

meglome

joebucks wrote: »

plenty of video and photographic proof that these trails do exist. What causes these trails is the question.

No there's a ton of pictures showing contrails... the proof is needed to show they are anything more than contrails.

joebucks wrote: »

The answer given by the Commission is inconclusive and surely the situation merits further investigation, no?

No the answer is definite. There is no evidence, evidence which should be easy to provide if it existed. In this whole thread all I've seen is one report in one area which could be contamination from anywhere. If it's widespread then the proof would be everywhere.

joebucks

meglome wrote: »

No the answer is definite.

The answer in not definite.

contrails are reported to remain visible and develop into more widespread clouds may thus be due to factors such as changes in:

— meteorological conditions;
— traffic volumes;
— jet-engine efficiency.

The commission was unable to answer for definite why certain contrails stay in the air longer than others, which does not mean that evidence will not arise under further investigation.

meglome

joebucks wrote: »

The answer in not definite.

It was.

joebucks wrote: »

The commission was unable to answer for definite why certain contrails stay in the air longer than others, which does not mean that evidence will not arise under further investigation.

That wasn't the question. The questions while not mentioning chemtrails were about what is termed chemtrails. So they answered that there was no evidence, which is true and definitive.

iPlop

Septic Leper wrote: »

I don't know if this has been posted ,but it shows clearly a plane spraying something into the air filmed by another pilot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q28dQaaLQGQ

Well what is plane spraying into the atmosphere?? I don't know? But Maybe ,just maybe this plane is part of the chemtrail conspiracy! This is what happens when people do not get answers.;)This plane is spraying something ,thats for sure!

joebucks

meglome wrote: »

It was.



That wasn't the question. The questions while not mentioning chemtrails were about what is termed chemtrails. So they answered that there was no evidence, which is true and definitive.

So we are arguing different points then.

Do you think that cloud-forming contrails, aka chemtrails, merit further investigation?

meglome

joebucks wrote: »

So we are arguing different points then.

Do you think that cloud-forming contrails, aka chemtrails, merit further investigation?

I think there are two things here... 1. Are the large numbers of planes effecting the weather or climate. 2. Are the claims that planes are pumping our aluminium and barium etc true, ala chemtrails.

I think there is some evidence that 1. might be so and should be investigated further.
2. No further investigation is needed until it can be proven to be even happening. Given that it should be really easy to prove I very much doubt it's happening.

joebucks

meglome wrote: »

I think there are two things here... 1. Are the large numbers of planes effecting the weather or climate. 2. Are the claims that planes are pumping our aluminium and barium etc true, ala chemtrails.

I think there is some evidence that 1. might be so and should be investigated further.
2. No further investigation is needed until it can be proven to be even happening. Given that it should be really easy to prove I very much doubt it's happening.

Yeah fair enough. I don't subscribe to any particular theory on them myself. However from what I have personally seen, It looks like the trail patterns are co-ordinated in a particular way and I would like to know if this really is the case and if so then, why and who is organising it.

meglome

joebucks wrote: »

Yeah fair enough. I don't subscribe to any particular theory on them myself. However from what I have personally seen, It looks like the trail patterns are co-ordinated in a particular way and I would like to know if this really is the case and if so then, why and who is organising it.

Not quite. Because if they are not pumping out 'chemicals' then the most obvious reasons are the much larger number of planes in the air and/or the changing climate. So we're still back to doing proper tests... tests which as I've said should be easy to do. When the people promoting this theory cannot even do basic tests then you'll forgive me if I don't believe it.

joebucks

This may be interesting, however they are looking for donations so they may just be trying to hustle some cash.

http://www.atlantapremiere.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J3wMQe-H_M

joebucks

From 11am to 4pm on Wednesday the 29th of September 65 year old Breda Murphy will be chained to the gates of the Dáil (parliament) in Dublin. Her protest has been provoked by the on-going aerial spraying being conducted over much of Ireland.


http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=8566

meglome

joebucks wrote: »

From 11am to 4pm on Wednesday the 29th of September 65 year old Breda Murphy will be chained to the gates of the Dáil (parliament) in Dublin. Her protest has been provoked by the on-going aerial spraying being conducted over much of Ireland.


http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=8566

So i assume she has some evidence of this other than the clouds were different in my day?

joebucks

meglome wrote: »

So i assume she has some evidence of this other than the clouds were different in my day?

Dunno man. Maybe you should contact her and find out.

Breda Murphy is available for interview and may be contacted via Maud Brown:
Email maud.brown at yahoo.co.uk

meglome

joebucks wrote: »

Dunno man. Maybe you should contact her and find out.

If I get a chance later on I will. thanks for that.

marcsignal

some mention of using aircraft for the purpose of testing chemicals on the general public in the uk here for what it's worth. not a new phenonemon by all accounts.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7956939398441775712#

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7956939398441775712#docid=-1663566962509610222

Faith+1

I seen chemtrails saturday morning about 9-9.30, I live in Cabra by the way. Will post pics next time I seen them.

Great to know the government is slowing killing us.

thecommander

Faith+1 wrote: »

I seen chemtrails saturday morning about 9-9.30, I live in Cabra by the way. Will post pics next time I seen them.

Great to know the government is slowing killing us.

They were contrails I'd say.

Faith+1

thecommander wrote: »

They were contrails I'd say.

Nope, I've seen many contrails in my time and these weren't it. They showed no signs of evaporating and were clearly visable for over an hour.

meglome

Faith+1 wrote: »

Nope, I've seen many contrails in my time and these weren't it. They showed no signs of evaporating and were clearly visable for over an hour.

So you're some sort of expert in cloud formations them?

Stainless_Steel

I'm with Meglome on this one.

I have a couple of friends that are convinced that these 'chemtrails' are a deliberate method of poisoning the general public. Like most CTs, this belief is based on the reasoning that it must be true because the elite want to kill us. Oh and because they dont look like normal contrails. Why can't a simple test be done to show the make-up of these so called chem trails???

Also please keep in mind that the elite or whoever is organising such an act are indeed poisoning themselves and their families also.

I am not dismissing that it isnt possible they are what people are claiming - but anything is possible - we have to assume it is untrue until proven otherwise.

Faith+1

meglome wrote: »

So you're some sort of expert in cloud formations them?

Yes I am and don't forget it.

meglome

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

I'm with Meglome on this one.

I have a couple of friends that are convinced that these 'chemtrails' are a deliberate method of poisoning the general public. Like most CTs, this belief is based on the reasoning that it must be true because the elite want to kill us. Oh and because they dont look like normal contrails. Why can't a simple test be done to show the make-up of these so called chem trails???

Also please keep in mind that the elite or whoever is organising such an act are indeed poisoning themselves and their families also.

I am not dismissing that it isnt possible they are what people are claiming - but anything is possible - we have to assume it is untrue until proven otherwise.

Yeah. Firstly lets ask a meteorologist and nephologist are the cloud formations unusual. All planes are logged so lets check for normal flight plans in the areas where these so call 'criss cross' patterns have been seen. Then do some simple tests to see if the so called 'chemicals' are there at all.

What you'll find is no the meteorologists and nephologists don't think there is anything wrong with those clouds. That there are way more flights than there used to be so explaining the criss crossing. And the tests will reveal nothing as it isn't happening.

I think the contrails probably do look somewhat different than they did when I was younger. But that's because the climate has changed, there are way more planes and these planes have different engines. But hey that's only me taking the most likely reasons for it.

And seriously why are we still talking about this when some simple research and tests will establish it to be true or not. So forgive me but if the people pushing this theory cannot even do the basics I'll be assuming it's rubbish.