What's your opinion on how James Toney will do in UFC ?

Sid_Justice

Good thread, good to know the boxing sterotype is alive and well. Full of guys that actually don't have a clue about MMA at all.

nacho libre

MrStuffins wrote: »

The difference is, an MMA fan is clever enough to know a Boxer outclasses an MMA practicioner in a Boxing match.

i think you'll find many boxing fans in this thread were of the view Toney would be beaten fairly easily.

Gloating about MMA fans being more discerning than fans of boxing is childish.

MrStuffins

nacho libre wrote: »

i think you'll find many boxing fans in this thread were of the view Toney would be beaten fairly easily.

lauding it over boxing fans is childish and petty.

Yeah but what can ya do?



Thats a joke by the way. I'm not sure how a comment like mine which you quoted is "lording it" over anyone

nacho libre

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yeah but what can ya do?



Thats a joke by the way. I'm not sure how a comment like mine which you quoted is "lording it" over anyone

well perhaps i misinterperted what you said. you seemed to be suggesting that mma fans were generally more enlightened and discerning than boxing fans as to outcome of a fight between two fighters of different combat sports . That why i said if you go through this thread again, you'll see most people were of the view that Couture would beat Toney fairly easily.

MrStuffins

nacho libre wrote: »

well perhaps i misinterperted what you said. you seemed to be suggesting that mma fans were generally more enlightened and discerning than boxing fans as to outcome of a fight between two fighters of different combat sports . That why i said if you go through this thread again, you'll see most people were of the view that Couture would beat Toney fairly easily.

because it was as obvious as water is wet that James Toney had no hope of winning this fight.

Yet some still thought not only COULD he win, but that he WOULD!

Silly buttons! :pac:

Bodhisopha

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yeah but what can ya do?



Thats a joke by the way. I'm not sure how a comment like mine which you quoted is "lording it" over anyone

Stop trolling?

MrStuffins

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Stop trolling?

How is that trolling exactly?

I replied to the poster who quoted me.

nacho libre

MrStuffins wrote: »

because it was as obvious as water is wet that James Toney had no hope of winning this fight.

Yet some still thought not only COULD he win, but that he WOULD!

Silly buttons! :pac:

the keyword is some. your remark was misleading and it came across as a snide comment. Anyway I like both MMA and boxing. This antagonistic rivalry is childish and ridiculous.

MrStuffins

nacho libre wrote: »

the keyword is some. your remark was misleading and it came across as a snide comment. Anyway I like both MMA and boxing. This antagonistic rivalry is childish and ridiculous.

I agree. Which is why people who have no clue about MMA shouldn't comment on it and act like there's some sort of rivalry going on.

I literally couldnt care less about Boxing v MMA! Whats the point?

CorkMan

sorry, posted here by accident.

gene_tunney

The reality is, when a boxer fights an MMA fighter, under MMA rules, the MMA fighter wins and when an MMA fighter takes on a boxer at boxing, the boxer wins.

I would say though, boxers have better chances at beating MMAers, than MMAers have at beating boxers. Much better chance.

MrStuffins

gene_tunney wrote: »

The reality is, when a boxer fights an MMA fighter, under MMA rules, the MMA fighter wins and when an MMA fighter takes on a boxer at boxing, the boxer wins.

I would say though, boxers have better chances at beating MMAers, than MMAers have at beating boxers. Much better chance.

This isn't necessaritl true but i agree with the rest of your post.

DeVore

The difference here is that Toney went looking for this fight and bad mouthed Couture and disrespected mma. It's understandable that mma fans would be bullish after he got destroyed. The points made here are reasonable but if Beckham turned up at a cricket match and strated running his mouth about how he would destroy Botham at batting, wouldn't there be at least a touch of shadenfreude when he was bowled for zero from cricket fans??

DeV.

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

The reality is, when a boxer fights an MMA fighter, under MMA rules, the MMA fighter wins and when an MMA fighter takes on a boxer at boxing, the boxer wins.

I would say though, boxers have better chances at beating MMAers, than MMAers have at beating boxers. Much better chance.

I think this post is the most diplomatic and sensible. All MMA fights start the same, fighters apart. This straight away gives an advantage to a skilled boxer, as the MMA shouldn't be as efficient at striking with hands. I think far too much emphasis is being placed on this MMA term. It is a fight, with certain rules, nothing more. It encompasses all body parts that are used to beat your opponent.

For many years I was a Judo, wrestling and Muay Thai fan. When mixed, this just doesn't do it for me. It doesn't please my eyes at all to be honest.

I think the skilled art of boxing is the TOP, best of the best, and when it's all mixed up it just dampens the skill set for me.

makl

DeVore wrote: »

BoxingIrel had to take a little lie down and will join us again soon if he can behave himself.

DeV.

apologies if i cant question it - but why one side of argument and not other? or has there been a post deleted that i missed?

MrStuffins

makl wrote: »

apologies if i cant question it - but why one side of argument and not other? or has there been a post deleted that i missed?

Did you miss all of the personal abuse and general shananigans?

makl

MrStuffins wrote: »

Did you miss all of the personal abuse and general shananigans?

No, but
1. No insults after warning (Big Ears @ #92)
2. MrStuffins, a lot of your posts make sense on forum, but a lot havent been helpful either in this situ. (111, 120, 124, 126).

MrStuffins

makl wrote: »

No, but
1. No insults after warning (Big Ears @ #92)
2. MrStuffins, a lot of your posts make sense on forum, but a lot havent been helpful either in this situ. (111, 120, 124, 126).

Well, luckily for me, i'm not a Mod and i'm not HERE to help.

I'm here to discuss. Afterall, it IS a discussion forum.

I never broke any charter rules.

Sid_Justice

walshb wrote: »

Originally Posted by gene_tunney
The reality is, when a boxer fights an MMA fighter, under MMA rules, the MMA fighter wins and when an MMA fighter takes on a boxer at boxing, the boxer wins.

I would say though, boxers have better chances at beating MMAers, than MMAers have at beating boxers. Much better chance.

I think this post is the most diplomatic and sensible. All MMA fights start the same, fighters apart. This straight away gives an advantage to a skilled boxer, as the MMA shouldn't be as efficient at striking with hands. I think far too much emphasis is being placed on this MMA term. It is a fight, with certain rules, nothing more. It encompasses all body parts that are used to beat your opponent.

For many years I was a Judo, wrestling and Muay Thai fan. When mixed, this just doesn't do it for me. It doesn't please my eyes at all to be honest.

I think the skilled art of boxing is the TOP, best of the best, and when it's all mixed up it just dampens the skill set for me.

I actually completely disagree with this. You could take a WORLD boxing champion with 30 years experience boxing who was a bonafide master of the sport and put him in against someone who had been training MMA semi-professionally for 3/4 years and the MMA guy would win in the MMA rules. Yes of course, the boxer would murder him in a boxing bout.

But if you took a guy that had been training MMA for 10/15 years and is top of the sport (e.g. Anderson Silva) and put him in a boxing match with a chap that's been boxing semi-professionally for 3/4 years who wins? My money is on the pro MMA guy.

This is the difference between boxing and MMA.

DOC09UNAM

DeVore wrote: »

The difference here is that Toney went looking for this fight and bad mouthed Couture and disrespected mma. It's understandable that mma fans would be bullish after he got destroyed. The points made here are reasonable but if Beckham turned up at a cricket match and strated running his mouth about how he would destroy Botham at batting, wouldn't there be at least a touch of shadenfreude when he was bowled for zero from cricket fans??

DeV.

I wouldn't say boxing and mma are as different as football and cricket IMO.

I would like to see an mma fighter take on a boxer in a boxing match, can't imagine the likes of lesnar not being able to hold his own.

Sid_Justice

If Brock Lesnar fought a professional heavy weight boxer he would lose as easily as Toney did to Couture. Lesnar is an extremely green Heavy weight champion, he has less than 3 years boxing experience. His chief skill set is his wrestling and GNP abilities the former he developed over ~20 years of wrestling. People who think Lesnar could hold his own in a boxing match with a professional are delusional and should seriously reeducate themselves.

Some MMA fighters are very good boxers, they're not at elite professional level boxing but some of them are quite handy. Little Nog for example has one Pan-american Championships which in my limited understanding, wouldn't be too far off winning a European Amateur title.

I don't see the mystery here. One person (Toney) has never wrestled, grappled or kicked in his life and he competed in a rule set where this is allowed and lost badly. The other scenario, let's say Anderson Silva, has spent years training his boxing and Muay Thai for MMA, there is a huge amount of cross-over. So when he competed in a boxing match he can rely on his boxing training.

Brock lesnar has spend only a matter of months learning to box, and judging by the Carwin display, it's the weakest (well maybe kicking instead) is his weakest part of his game and he would lose easily to someone trained in this sport.

To a certain extent, Lesnar has a chance of overwhelming a 205 lb tomato can boxer by being much more powerful but I expect anyone that is nearly his size would annihalate him with punches.

Although as the man says, a fights a fight and I would watch it hoping for an upset.

scudzilla

Randy was smart, took it down to where he was never gonna lose.


Did anybody really expect him to be an arse and stand like timmy??

Such a slo-mo KO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUx9OE7DZAo

seadnamac

Nevermind.

cowzerp

Sid_Justice wrote: »

I don't see the mystery here. One person (Toney) has never wrestled, grappled or kicked in his life and he competed in a rule set where this is allowed and lost badly. The other scenario, let's say Anderson Silva, has spent years training his boxing and Muay Thai for MMA, there is a huge amount of cross-over. So when he competed in a boxing match he can rely on his boxing training. .

Comparing Toney and Silva is pointless as 1 is the best in the world in MMA and some would say lb4lb best and the other is a 5 stone overweight has been who in his day was a great middleweight boxer.

Toney=nothing in Boxing or MMA.