MTV Martial Law Warnings

TalkieWalkie

WE GO THERE, THEY COME HERE

By Tom Brady Security Editor

Tuesday August 03 2010

HIGHLY trained members of the Garda's elite squad -- the Emergency Response Unit -- could be deployed on foreign streets as a result of a change in the law.

The legislative measure, currently being drafted, will allow the ERU to be dispatched to another European state to help local police tackle a terrorist or criminal-related crisis.

It will also give the go-ahead for the authorities here to request the assistance of a special intervention unit from another European force if this country is confronted by a similar crisis.

The legislation is being introduced to bring Ireland into line with the law in other countries.

The measure was initiated in the EU following the 9/11 and Madrid terrorist attacks.

But it can only be used where a member state's own emergency-response teams are unable to cope with a particular crisis and seek help from elsewhere in the EU.

It does not cover natural disasters, such as earthquakes or floods.

A member state can seek such specialist assistance where a criminal or terrorist offence poses a serious threat to the security of the country.

Security officials last night acknowledged it was unlikely the measure would be used by the Government here unless there was a threatened total breakdown in law and order.

However, some other EU states are in favour of seeking outside police help.

A spokesman for Justice Minister Dermot Ahern said it was important to bring our laws into line with the EU.

"There is always the threat, however remote, of a terrorist outrage and it is important that we have the legal certainty in place to provide for assistance, if required.

"Or, more importantly, be in a position to offer help to our friends in Europe," he added.

The change amending the law has been included in the new Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill.

Attack

The risk level for a major terrorist attack is officially classified here as low.

However, considerable resources are provided by the Garda Special Branch and military intelligence in monitoring the activity here of suspected sympathisers of international terror groups.

Most of the suspects living here are regarded as more likely to be involved in logistics than operations. In the past, some of them have been involved in facilitating funding or forging documentation to help active terror cells based elsewhere.

Earlier this year, gardai made a number of arrests in the south-east as part of international inquiries in what became known as the 'Jihad Jane' plot into the suspected planning of a terror attack on controversial Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks.

Tom Brady Security Editor

Irish Independent

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gardai-get-new-powers-to-tackle-terrorists-overseas-2281787.html

gizmo

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

WE GO THERE, THEY COME HERE


http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gardai-get-new-powers-to-tackle-terrorists-overseas-2281787.html

There was a rather lengthy thread regarding all this in AH of all places which basically ripped it to shreds.

As for my reply here...

The legislative measure, currently being drafted, will allow the ERU to be dispatched to another European state to help local police tackle a terrorist or criminal-related crisis.

It will also give the go-ahead for the authorities here to request the assistance of a special intervention unit from another European force if this country is confronted by a similar crisis.

If we were faced with a crisis such as this I think it's a great thing that we'd be able to call in personnel, whether they are specially trained operatives or merely advisors, from some of the best counter terrorist forces in Europe. Now if you'd prefer to risk the lives of our own citizens by perhaps denying our forces this aid I think that's a far more serious issue to discuss.

uprising2

gizmo wrote: »

There was a rather lengthy thread regarding all this in AH of all places which basically ripped it to shreds.

As for my reply here...


If we were faced with a crisis such as this I think it's a great thing that we'd be able to call in personnel, whether they are specially trained operatives or merely advisors, from some of the best counter terrorist forces in Europe. Now if you'd prefer to risk the lives of our own citizens by perhaps denying our forces this aid I think that's a far more serious issue to discuss.

But you see the problem with foreign police/military is they have no family ties here, and would be much quicker to be sadistic basstards on the general public, if the general public were faced with something worth taking to the streets for, as Gardai and Irish Army would probably have family members on the opposing side, and may even agree with the opposing side's moral view.

gizmo

uprising2 wrote: »

But you see the problem with foreign police/military is they have no family ties here, and would be much quicker to be sadistic basstards on the general public, if the general public were faced with something worth taking to the streets for, as Gardai and Irish Army would probably have family members on the opposing side, and may even agree with the opposing side's moral view.

Nothing which you have described constitutes a terrorist or criminal-related crisis though. Also note it's extremely specific in what kind of units are allowed to operate inside our borders, this isn't the regular army, these are specifically special intervention units such as the German GSG-9.

TalkieWalkie

gizmo wrote: »

Nothing which you have described constitutes a terrorist or criminal-related crisis though. Also note it's extremely specific in what kind of units are allowed to operate inside our borders, this isn't the regular army, these are specifically special intervention units such as the German GSG-9.

There is no threat of terror.. It's bullsh!t it doesn't wash with me, don't give me that crap. The whole war on terror and terror itself was created by bushes mates for their own agenda. Which is, for folk like yourself to fear terror and accept just about any measure of security they suggest :rolleyes: . Hook line and sinker. Terror my arse, they are the only terrorists.

uprising2

gizmo wrote: »

Nothing which you have described constitutes a terrorist or criminal-related crisis though. Also note it's extremely specific in what kind of units are allowed to operate inside our borders, this isn't the regular army, these are specifically special intervention units such as the German GSG-9.

Thing's can change and always do, what starts off as "only for terrorist crisis" then get's expanded upon and add's new situations where they can be used including public order.

Richard tea

gizmo wrote: »

There was a rather lengthy thread regarding all this in AH of all places which basically ripped it to shreds.

As for my reply here...


If we were faced with a crisis such as this I think it's a great thing that we'd be able to call in personnel, whether they are specially trained operatives or merely advisors, from some of the best counter terrorist forces in Europe. Now if you'd prefer to risk the lives of our own citizens by perhaps denying our forces this aid I think that's a far more serious issue to discuss.

Can you give any examples of '' criminal-related crisis ''

gizmo

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

There is no threat of terror.. It's bullsh!t it doesn't wash with me, don't give me that crap. The whole war on terror and terror itself was created by bushes mates for their own agenda. Which is, for folk like yourself to fear terror and accept just about any measure of security they suggest :rolleyes: . Hook line and sinker. Terror my arse, they are the only terrorists.

Exactly, there is no threat of terror therefore there is no need to call them in. Should that change for whatever reason, then I think it's nice that we are able to call in such help if required.

I won't deal with the accusation that the terror itself was manufactured as I believe that's a pile of ****. I certainly won't disagree, however, that the "War on Terror" wasn't exaggerated immensely.

uprising2 wrote: »

Thing's can change and always do, what starts off as "only for terrorist crisis" then get's expanded upon and add's new situations where they can be used including public order.

These measures won't be extended to include public order and never will be. Any assertions to the contrary will be able to accurate as the claim that there'll be foreign police on the street in the UK both during and after the Olympics.

Richard tea wrote: »

Can you give any examples of '' criminal-related crisis ''

Nope, but thankfully we haven't really experienced any serious ones in recent memory. The only one of note was the incident with the ERU in Abbeylara which, ironically enough, despite the scale of the "crisis" was then subject to a lengthy Tribunal charged with investigating the events that occurred. You think a nation which goes to those lengths over a tiny incident like this would suddenly bring foreign troops onto our soil? If so then to be quite honest I'd be far more sacred of that person than I would be of anything else.

TalkieWalkie

gizmo wrote: »

Exactly, there is no threat of terror therefore there is no need to call them in. Should that change for whatever reason, then I think it's nice that we are able to call in such help if required.

I don't know if you are aware of this, likely not. There is a global political awakening occurring. People are waking and are tired of their governments. These anti terror forces will not be used to combat terror, they will be used to combat free speech, rights, freedom and to instil fear on regular people.

Brown Bomber

Where would it leave the North?

The terrorists up there both Loyalist and Republican have both strong and proven ties to MI5 and the RUC/RIC through the FRU and others. How would that work when those policing are the terrorists?

TalkieWalkie

Fema camps, Trains, Mass graves, Martial Law

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE8EwruBak8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RilzKKuSkI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPioG_4_XEc

gizmo

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

I don't know if you are aware of this, likely not. There is a global political awakening occurring. People are waking and are tired of their governments. These anti terror forces will not be used to combat terror, they will be used to combat free speech, rights, freedom and to instil fear on regular people.

No they won't and to be quite honest, I regard your (not you personally but this general CT movement) particular brand of fear-mongering to be just as detrimental as Bush's was when he was in power.

You want to know what instills fear in people? People like Alex Jones reporting that FEMA have just bought 500k plastic coffins because they're "expecting something to happen". Now while both you and he may believe this, I'll continue sitting here drinking my coffee bemused at the notion and 50 years from now I'll probably be sitting in a similar position in a (hopefully) nicer house drinking my (hopefully) nicer coffee still bemused at the notion that you think the government is planning on wiping a bunch of us out.

Di0genes

Audiomad wrote: »

Do you understand Governments have power of media all media!

Hmmm Again I'm not sure what "power of media all media" actually means, but hey, lets assume you mean "power over all media"

Lets not forget you started this thread saying that that MTV are making a point about the threat of martial law, and then you say that government control all media.

Lets look at the level of irony here.

1) You think it's possible that there's a global attempt at martial law.

And

2) You think governments control all media.

yet you

A) Also think MTV and RT are warning you about this.

Russia today and MTV are, because of your own logic, are controlled by the same governments that want martial law, and control the media.

Do you understand this or shall I break out fingerpuppets?

Have you no common sense?

Is that your only rebuttal? Your claim is that domestic police will be paid more when foreign police are brought in to take over a specialist job.

Logically that makes no sense. Why would police be paid more if foreigners come over to do specialist jobs?

If we take the obvious example of firearms officers. The British police have 6,000 firearms officers. A adequate amount. The suggest is that they may need more firearms officers for a month long period in 2012. Instead of training a few thousand officers with skills they'll only need for a few weeks, at vast expense, it could be cheaper to bring in the officers from abroad.

As I stated its happening everywhere!

And yet you've not provided any examples.

You think people won't agree to move?

Yes. Yes I do. Is that so hard to understand. These people will have roots. Pensions. Children in schools. Moving expenses. Flights.

Don't you have any common sense?

Yes! look at other countries and you will see that this will be the next craze to stop crime! Its happening in Germany a country that has had foreign troops run the country

Yeah I think Germany was forced to allow foreign troops to run the country after y'know the surrender terms of WW2, and as part of the fact that it was centre of the cold war in europe.

do you think they would be allowing foreign police without there being another reason to it?

Yes. Yes I do.

do you? wake up mate see whats happening in the world, RTE and other media are not going to tell you everything they cant as they are controlled by Governments. RT is not the only station saying this look at Press TV and Al Jazeera.

Can you provide examples. And please don't compare Press TV and Russia Today to with Al Jazeera. One of us has worked for Al Jazeera. And it's not you.

Di0genes

gizmo wrote: »

You want to know what instills fear in people? People like Alex Jones reporting that FEMA have just bought 500k plastic coffins

Could I also add. What in gods name why would you make a coffin out of freakin' plastic? Why make a coffin out of substance that will last longer than the remains stored in the coffin?

It's one of the more idiotic claims made by Jones.

Also 500k plastic coffins? Thats what a suburb of New Jersey? So why plan a 5 billion person genocide and only supply 1/100th the amount of coffins, and coffins which will take thousands of years to degraded?

amacachi

Di0genes wrote: »

Could I also add. What in gods name why would you make a coffin out of freakin' plastic? Why make a coffin out of substance that will last longer than the remains stored in the coffin?

It's one of the more idiotic claims made by Jones.

Also 500k plastic coffins? Thats what a suburb of New Jersey? So why plan a 5 billion person genocide and only supply 1/100th the amount of coffins, and coffins which will take thousands of years to degraded?

1/10,000th I think you mean. Also you're going to end up in trouble with that logical thinking of yours.

Di0genes

uprising2 wrote: »

But you see the problem with foreign police/military is they have no family ties here, and would be much quicker to be sadistic basstards on the general public, if the general public were faced with something worth taking to the streets for, as Gardai and Irish Army would probably have family members on the opposing side, and may even agree with the opposing side's moral view.

Really no. There are countless examples of police acting sadistically towards their own community. And plenty of examples of police acting decently within or without their own community. Suggesting that people will automatically react violently an viciously in this situation shows that you have have superior attitude to people.

You should look across the border at the work of the Ombudsman in the PSNI, to see how this works

TalkieWalkie

gizmo wrote: »

No they won't and to be quite honest, I regard your (not you personally but this general CT movement) particular brand of fear-mongering to be just as detrimental as Bush's was when he was in power.

It doesn't surprise me that you don't believe it would happen. But it has been proven it has happened many times before. Governments have started many wars under false pretences for their own agenda's, resulting in the deaths of millions of their own and the oppositions people.
Why would you be surprised if it happened again ?

I don't see it as scaremongering but more making people aware. The one thing that is "as detrimental as Bush's was when he was in power" is sleeple (not you personally:p) that don't seem to know about this stuff and when you are told about it, you outright deny it and think it could never happen again.

gizmo

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

It doesn't surprise me that you don't believe it would happen. But it has been proven it has happened many times before. Governments have started many wars under false pretences for their own agenda's, resulting in the deaths of millions of their own and the oppositions people.
Why would you be surprised if it happened again ?

Except none of that has anything to do with the topic at hand? You claimed that due to this "global political awakening" foreign police forces are going to be used to subdue the local populace. In the context of this thread that means the US (due to the MTV ad) and here in Ireland (due to the Indo piece). All I am saying is that this is not going to happen. Not one iota.

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

I don't see it as scaremongering but more making people aware. The one thing that is "as detrimental as Bush's was when he was in power" is sleeple (not you personally:p) that don't seem to know about this stuff and when you are told about it, you outright deny it and think it could never happen again.

That's exactly what the Bush administration said with the alert system, they claim they just want to make people more "aware" and more "alert" when in actual fact all they're doing is making people more afraid.

If you want to make people more ware then try and concentrate on the facts. For instance, FEMA, the big bad government agency which is whispered about like it's going to bring about the end of the world, has been in existence for 31 years. That's 31 years without harming the US population. Quite the contrary in fact, as they've provided aid at several natural disasters across the US.

Call me a sheeple or whatever term you have for people who don't buy into this bull****, I really don't care. The fact of the matter is when people like Alex Jones are on their deathbed, still shouting about the government being out to get them, the rest of us will be continuing on with our lives and not constantly looking over our shoulders for some imaginary boogieman who is out to get them.

uprising2

Di0genes wrote: »

Sure if you don't also mind, if the next time you get indignant about someone pointing out that you're a racist, when you start another thread about Judaism or Israeli, which are the only threads you start on this board. I'd say "that'll show you" but I don't think you possess the shame gene.

I think Bombers rightful anger/indignatoin is directed to towards psychotic zionist's and their willing servents/henchmen/murderer's, Judaism has good and bad people, Israeli's are a mix of both also. As are all people's.

zionist's on the other hand are a pack of racist/facist/scumbags of the highest order, I've seen Bombers posts, never have I heard him say a bad word about an Israeli simply for being an Israeli or a member of the Judaism faith simply for being a member of that faith.

I believe me and Bomber would be on the same wavelenght concerning zionism.

Both of us have posted positive things about Israeli's and members of the Judiaism faith who oppose what their zionist masters wishes.

The zionist heirachy are a pack of psychopathic idiot's, that not all Israeli's are in line with, some refuse military service and face public damnation in their own communities, some speak out openly about crimes they committed under order and are also shunned in their communities

Israel (the zionist regime that controls the state) are a dirty bunch of mass murderer's, who for some fukked up reason believe they have a right to slaughter innocent people when the psychotic impulses kick in on a regular basis.

That's not racism, it's anti racism, the zionists are racists for all to see (well some with eyes to see).

Some misguided fool's often talk about Usrael as being the only democracy in the middle east, but stolen land is a very poor example of democracy.

Some Israeli groups we've praised amongst other's are:

http://december18th.org/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNjggLhQo6w

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm

Traditional Jews Are Not Zionists

Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm


Breaking the Silence

http://www.shovrimshtika.org/index_e.asp


If it were racism, we would view these brave conscious people who are Israeli's and most probably member's of the Judaism faith the exact same way we view the zionist murderers, but we don't, so I'd expect the racist slur to be withdrawn.

alastair

uprising2 wrote: »

zionist's on the other hand are a pack of racist/facist/scumbags of the highest order

...

Israel (the zionist regime that controls the state) are a dirty bunch of mass murderer's, who for some fukked up reason believe they have a right to slaughter innocent people when the psychotic impulses kick in on a regular basis.

That's not racism, it's anti racism, the zionists are racists for all to see (well some with eyes to see)..

Well - with that compelling argument, I can see clearly now that an obsession with Israel is nothing to do with bigotry, but with dirty murderous psychotic zionists - seemingly entailing anyone who does their national service in the IDF and votes for a party that advocates Israeli independence (for that's all zionism actually involves).

And please - Neturei Karta? That's the 'tradition' that you offer in opposition to scary zionism? You are aware that they don't approve of the state of Israel in any form until the coming of the Messiah? - they're the Jewish equivalent of the Christian nuts who expect the rapture and apocalypse any day now.

TalkieWalkie

gizmo wrote: »

Except none of that has anything to do with the topic at hand? You claimed that due to this "global political awakening" foreign police forces are going to be used to subdue the local populace. In the context of this thread that means the US (due to the MTV ad) and here in Ireland (due to the Indo piece). All I am saying is that this is not going to happen. Not one iota.


That's exactly what the Bush administration said with the alert system, they claim they just want to make people more "aware" and more "alert" when in actual fact all they're doing is making people more afraid.

If you want to make people more ware then try and concentrate on the facts. For instance, FEMA, the big bad government agency which is whispered about like it's going to bring about the end of the world, has been in existence for 31 years. That's 31 years without harming the US population. Quite the contrary in fact, as they've provided aid at several natural disasters across the US.

Call me a sheeple or whatever term you have for people who don't buy into this bull****, I really don't care. The fact of the matter is when people like Alex Jones are on their deathbed, still shouting about the government being out to get them, the rest of us will be continuing on with our lives and not constantly looking over our shoulders for some imaginary boogieman who is out to get them.

I said "Sleeple", it's my own word I made up especially, you like it ? . I think it's less insulting than "sheeple".

Anyway, you enjoy your reality.

I'll continue trying to make the sleeple awake and aware, and you continue telling them to go back to sleep.

Mahatma coat

Anyway Lets quit the Stupid bickering and get back OT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reCpV1YHuYs

the Hollocaust Happened to People like US

thats the message these videos tell us.

really, people like me, No, the Hollocaust happend to People who were not like US.

thats how they got away with it.

Anoyne want to discuss the actual OP, or would ye all prefer to bicker like 12 year old schoolgirls.

humanji

Di0gene's banned for a week. TalkieWalkie, Alastair and Digme infracted. And most of the nonsese posts deleted.